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Economy Biscuits wrote: Billy and the Psychotics
I would love to know the influences of the guitar player? I swore this was pin back when it started. This little hatchback hustles in and out of morning traffic, steady and maneuverable with the occasional and satisfying cutoff of the jerk texting.

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YES. Love this tune. The fire- belching 20' robotic top fuel transforming funny car. SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY!
@BatP. I've never heard of the Pin Backs until you said it here. So I just went and listened to a few. Yeah, I hear what you mean with the guitar. The single note tinkering as I like to call it. I love to do that with two guitars and a bass working as a team to make a unique string combination in a piece. It's like a micro orchestra with only three instruments because they're a poor inner city orchestra. :D
By the way, as I said above, I think I might have subliminally channeled the mood swings of the HR Puff & Stuff theme song for this. But I'm going to listen to more Pin Back. Thanks.

@BLT. That review reminds me of Orange County Raceway ads on the radio when I was growing up. I am a drag racing fan. If I could have added the smell of nitro to this song, it would have been faster.
Thanks for the reviews. :)
nobodyetal wrote: BatP - Cool intro. I dig the guitar/bass riffing and the slightly dissonant feel.

BLT - Dark, I like the drum & bass holding the song down. Lyrics are dark too, the jilted lover not quite able to handle it.
@BatP. Thanks.

@BLT. Thanks.
Dejected_Motives wrote: Billy and the Psychotics: This vibe takes me back a decade or so but at the same time takes me forward. I think this one sounds a little packaged at the chorus though. Possibly a vote.

Billy's Little Trip: Intro got me interested. Bridge kept me interested. Lyrics kept me listening. Chorus was all I needed to hear. But then you threw in a solo and kept it rocking throughout the end of the song. This is probably going to be the winning song. Vote for sure.
@BatP. Packaged? I'm guessing "generic or cookie cutter"? If so, it was intended to be a singy songy chorus to contrast the odd arranged ominous verses to create a mood swing throughout the song. I ended the song the way I did because I like happy endings with the possibility of the slain antagonist possibly still alive for a sequel. You know, like the final scene you see one of his fingers twitch, lol.
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Love it. Anyhow, reviews. Average grade this week looks like about a B+ or A-, which bodes well.

Banana Dan Well I definitely dig the beat. A whole bunch, actually, I sense a touch of Ronald Jenkees in there. But it took me a couple listens to actually hear the "make the first move" lyric, which doesn't bode well for a vote from me. Basically, I like it, but I don't know how relevant it is to the fight. So... C?

Berkeley Social Scene Feels a little muddy. I don't think I like the prosody on "first move". Comes across a little rushed, I think. Vocals seem to clash with the guitars a bit. This is ok. Solo is pretty bitchin'. B.

Billy and the Psychotics Killer. Wait is that DJ? Have you guys been collaborating for a while? Am I an idiot? Anyhow, I like this. At times it's like Nine Inch Nails, minus the hopeless crushing despair. Nothin to complain about here. A-.

Billy's Little Trip feat. Paco del Stinko Now I like this, but I think the word "fuckin" doesn't belong, which is typical for me. It just distracts me. I don't think it's a cop out or anything, I just think the 3rd grader in me says "that guy just said the f word", and I don't think it really added anything in spite of the distraction. I might be alone in this, so feel free to ignore that comment. Cool sound though. Very much, actually. Vocal could use a little more clarity, because I lose some words here and there, but it's nothing too serious. A-.

Bootlegged Waters Vocal is great, most definitely. But I think that's about it. The mic is saturated like a... well, it's saturated. Fortunately, that's an easy fix. That third chord of the verse just really doesn't sit right with me. I really like the high acoustic part though (first pops in at 0:56). So songwriting is solid, I'd say, good lyrics from what I caught, but keep playing with recording technique. C-.

Caravan Rabbott I laughed out loud at "Caravan Rabbott", so kudos on that. Opening rhythm is very nice. Backing vocals are awesome, really give it a cool feel. Got a little bit of The Who sound going on with the vocal, but that might be my American inability to distinguish a British accent from an Australian. I hope that doesn't make me a racist. So I like it, lyrics are nice and straightforward, and the overall feel matches them. A-.

c.layne If you hadn't posted the lyrics, I'd have had a real tough time with some of these. And I don't think I like how heavy it gets. I usually like somewhat schizo music (as it's been described to me) but I don't know how I feel about it here. It's just that the first bit has this certain sweetness to it with just the right amount of roughness that when it gets all heavy at 3:13 I sort of miss the beginning and lose interest. But you do get back to it, which is good. Anyhow, very crisp vocals, great lyrics, great performances. You sound a little like Jose Gonzalez in this. The "right here real patient" line is simply magnificent. So despite my gripes, overall, fantastic work here. A.

Dejected Motives Mix is a little quiet. Whoa... if you're gonna autotune, make sure I can understand the words. Because I can't. I like the overall feel and the progression and the instrumentation... but the quality of the vocal is really lacking. Lower the reverb, at the very least. Clean this up and it has a Eurythmics kind of feel, in a good way. Until then... C-.

DJ Ranger Den Your songs are always fun to listen to musically and especially lyrically. Not driving-music-fun, but headphones-in-a-quiet-room-fun. The vocal is up on top of the piano here too, which is good. The delay on the vocal is very nice, how subtle it is. Is the piano track clipping? It sounds like there might be some digital distortion there. In any case, nice, keep 'em coming. A-.

The Economy Biscuits I like this a lot, in a non-traditional sense. May I ask - is that a live stand up bass or a virtual instrument? It sounds live, but I hope to <deity> that it's not, so that I can use it myself. The short string break, too? Like DJ This is good lie-down-with-headphones-on music, which personally I find to be the best. A.

glennny The rhythm/syncopation in the beginning is awesome... it took me a few times listening to really understand it and I love that. I don't think I like the sine synth though. It felt a little... what's the word... loose? And really after the first bit I'm kind of expecting more of a choppy-but-precise feel and I think the synth clashes with that a little too much. So in its own right I don't think it's bad, but I don't know if it fits here. Overall... I think it's fine. Maybe cut like a minute or more off. B.

Gregg Boethin I think I've given you this same exact review maybe 4 times - I would be thrilled to see this live, but I don't think it does too much for me like this. Don't get me wrong, there's not a damn thing wrong with it... just a matter of preference. Still deserves an A though, because this is clearly of high quality.

heine I think it's been said, but maybe consider doubling the vocal. It doesn't sound bad, but it could use a little punch. The tone on the guitar in the solo is pretty awesome. Overall, it sounds good, though I don't know if it's quite adventurous enough for me. B.

J$KM Feels a little sparse. Kit felt very casio-tone - which is fine, I understand the challenges of getting a good percussion sound - but it always distracts me. Play around with that sound a little bit... even a little distortion on that track might help it a little bit, and I don't think it would be out of place at all. From a songwriting standpoint, I like it. I missed a few lyrics, but got most of them, and they were cool. B+.

Jake DeLorey Excellent. Bring the vocals up just a tad, I think. At the "make the first move" in the chorus, I think the supporting vocal would really shine if it stays up on the root of the chord - know what I mean? Happy to clarify if you want. Anyhow, that's a matter of opinion in any case, so please let me know if I should go piss off. This is a rare one that actually works with a longer length at ~4:30 too. A. Related: reading your review was fun, too, though I might be biased because you were awfully kind to me (thanks).

The Lookouts Something reminds me of Blind Melon. Whomever is your vocalist has a voice that is unique enough (and good enough) to carve yourselves a little niche someplace. Hm. I love this. That is all. Keep 'em comin'. A.

Minor Profit Yeah, it's hard to get a good whistle recorded. You're close here, but not quite there. The sound and the mix is good... unfortunately it's just really damn hard, because the slightest pitch imperfections just glare in the final mix (I've found, anyways.) If you'd like to feel terrible about your whistling skills, look up Andrew Bird, because it's demoralizing how good he is. Anyhow, it's close enough. So this is pretty great, in other respects. I caught most of the lyrics, but I'd really appreciate it if you post them. Boost the vocal harmony at "if I had to"... I didn't even notice it the first time, but it's a very pretty part but it doesn't get the attention it deserves. I hear a little Umphrey's McGee in the vocal. Sing from the belly and open up! Your tone sounds great, but it needs a little oomph, and a bit of strength from the belly/chest will help with that immensely. It'll help the pitch stay nice and crisp, too. Google for tips. I don't think I like the ending, it's just a little too abrupt. So yes, I have some nitpicks, but I tend to get really nitpicky on songs I really like. A-.

Nobody, et al. Very nice vocal harmonies, and very nice vocal work all around. And good lyrics. I like the nice light feel, too. Maybe a little variation on the drum track would be nice... that beat gets kind of stale. Good work. A-.

Paco del Stinko I didn't like "assclown" at first, but I think it works. Chorus is pretty awesome, I like the rhythm on the vocal, and the chord progession is neat. The effect on the bass starting at 1:47 is really awesome. Overall, not exactly my style, but I liked it anyways - so nicely done there. A.

Skadaddle So I was expecting something like last week, and at first I felt a little let down. But I'm not. Badass lyrics, man. Seriously. The music matches perfectly, and that chorus is haunting, which fits perfectly. Lead vocal might be a little hot, but I didn't lose a word, so that's good. Again, excellent lyrics. Very nice. A.

sonofsupercar You sound like the guy from Gomez. And I think I've said that before. And it's still a good thing. So I like this. Unconventional chords always get high marks from me. Ah the change at 1:50! I like it. I get a smack of the Dilbert theme song, which is awesome. Like the lyrics, too. Maybe reduce the level on the vocal a tad... I'm not sure if there's distortion on them, or if they're just high... they just sound a little loud to me. Nicely done. A-.

TRJones At about the 1:00 mark it gets pretty muddy. Whoa then it falls apart. So that was probably by design. I liked it up until then. I really don't have a lot else to add on this one, unfortunately. C.

Tuners Union First run with BFD2 drums. It's pretty great overall, and the integration with ProTools 10 is pretty good, though not perfect. I don't have a good feel on how to mix it yet, but I did very little to it this week and I kind of like the sound.
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blue wrote:the bad news is that your guitar progression is played the eff out.
How do you mean?
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FormerDominator wrote:
blue wrote:the bad news is that your guitar progression is played the eff out.
How do you mean?
it is cliched.
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Writing from Hong Kong via iPod. have to keep it short. just some initial thoughts.
great fight, nice bunch of songs.

jake d. - nice soothing tune, love the final part. maybe a vote

c. layne - cool chord changes, unexpected prog part. aceton meets may blitz. vote!

economy biscuit - very ambient. nice mix.

j$km - lead bass. i really dig your lyrics

billy & the psy - catchy chorus, fine vocals. vote!

sonofsupercar - quite raw, very present voice

nobody et al - yes! nice & simple. love that bottleneck. clear vote!

gregg boethin - really like your voice. gets better every listen. analogue? guess i have to vote

dj rangerden - kinda ambient, too. vocals remind me of victoria williams

lookouts - nice acoustic feel

BLT - like that blues feeling. maybe a vote

paco - i really envy your way of playing guitar solos

tr jones - like an applicaton for woodstock '69 - nice

glenny - driving intro. theremin sounds? really not bad

tuners union - fine harmony vocals, good production

banana dan - some fine machine stuff. fat sounds

caravan rabbot - underground sound, maybe the vocals are a bit too loud

skadaddle - ambitious lyrics, i dig - fits well with the music

dejected motives - nice depeche mode feel (i once tried it also in that "that's enough" competition). don't hide your voice behind to much effects, i guess it's not that bad

bootlegged waters - driving acoustic song, that destortion fits quite well

minor profit - i like that. most of all that whistling part (without the "hohoho" vocals). where are you from? guess i have to vote

BSS - a good song. i really like the solo

heine - not a bad one, but far from being perfect. would like to hear it as a cover version. @Jake: it's my real surname! not too heinous, or... ?  :D 
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Thanks for all the reviews and comments so far, they are always the best. I will offer mine tomorrow. I'm sure many will be sleepless tonight!
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http://www.sonofsupercar.com/music/sono ... own(4).mp3

extensive remixing makes our tune much more listenable.
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I listened many times during the week but for these comments, am listening on the tinny speakers on my laptop. Overall, a very strong fight, I thought. Feel free to ask for clarification or tell me to piss off.

Banana Dan Cold and synthy but slinky, I keep waiting for the rap to start, bragging abput slapping hos or swilling Champagne or whatever. This is well done, but could be about anything with whatever title just tossed in, if it even is. I like my rap to be about fun or with a message like Public Enemy or whoever. Just in case you need to know for the future.


Berkeley Social Scene This doesn't waste any time getting going, does it? I totally dig the crunchy verses and the supporting instrument lines. Someday I'd love to hear you guys get very dark and very fast, just for shits'n'giggles. Great, biting lead ala Sympathy For The Devil, very nice.


Billy and the Psychotics The bass line intro sounds like that classical song I can't name but you'd go "Oh yeah!" to if I could hum it to you. I love how this goes from swaying hippy to trippy hippy and back again. And yeah, D, it's catchy. The only thing missing here is me. ;)


Billy's Little Trip feat. Paco del Stinko Nice Pixies vibe without being too rip-offy. Speaking of videos, this'd make a good one. It was tricky, but I liked adding the harmony rock riffs to the choruses. I guess that I'm a pat of butter and you're the bread. In a man friend way, that is. :shock:


Bootlegged Waters Despite the recording issues, this is a good, energetic tune. I like the intense and dark vibe. The clapping is a simple and effective support as are the simple overdubbed guitars. This is good and needs only a bit of polish.


Caravan Rabbott Did you wear an eye patch for this song, Ray? Should've. I like the menacing cow-punk of this and the beat is great. Could benefit from even more Burundi beat-age. If you ever want me to do a guitar line on my baritone guitar, let me know. That'd fit in nicely here. Finger snapping gang tune.


c.layne This is wonderful. Rolling white clouds, then blooming flowers. I like the guitar tone better this week, too. Twin Reverb sounding, or similar. Unlike a previous commentator, I absolutely love the heavy bridge. The build, the power, and the sigh back into the sweetness is fantastic. Didn't expect it first listen, but I'm thrilled each time it comes around. Most excellent, probably my favorite tune this week, and there're some good ones.


Dejected Motives I'm not thrilled with the auto-tune voice, at least not all the way through. While perhaps cliché, I'd still like to hear a 'real' voice bust in and rap, or belt away, with the 1st voice adding color. Anyway, easy and dark groove works well underneath it, well balanced and arranged, if repetitive.


DJ Ranger Den Nice. This feels a little more finished than some of your others of late. I love the mood and as always, the personal portal that you offer up. The progression is great and the melody fits well in most spots. Nice transitions to lighter and darker mods and back again. At first I thought that a band blasting in would be nice, but not after a few listens.


The Economy Biscuits I like the scary hip cool of this, it mostly works. Maybe a little more late night odor to it to send it home. Nice colors, layered effectively and not overdone. A little melody wouldn't have hurt here and if you re-visit this, find an ending that resolves better. Nice work though.


glennny Manic yet focused. I love when the musical saw sound comes in. This needs a sped up video or time lapse stuff to go with it, in spots anyway. Raw but tasty solo is excellent, not doing anything it shouldn't and adding to the song instead of maybe just wanking away. Not that you would. There are some 80s influences here, and more on the lines of bands like a-Ha or whoever than some proggy types.


Gregg Boethin Your style is very distinctive and that's good. Story telling and nice arrangements. But let's hear something a bit different. Regardless, I like this cowboy type song and am glad to hear the appropriate tremolo guitar. Some backing oohs would be nice, I'm sure you can pull those off.


heine Glad to see you back around. I hate to mention Scorpions, but that intro, which is excellent, is very Scorpions. The vocals could use a little Klaus, too. Your voice is fine, just needs some POW! in the delivery. Add a backing vocal or two and done. The drums wobble a bit but the arrangement is fine and the keys are a nice touch. Good hooks delivered via guitar as well. Yeah, belted out, this song would kill.


J$KM Nasty fun bass line. It announces you before you do. Ha! That's a good thing. I think this would work better with a better drum sound. A nice snappy snare instead of the rim-shot. The bridge is trippy fun and could be pushed further if you wanted, but that's probably my favorite part. It makes the chorus stronger when it returns, though.


Jake DeLorey Nice groove and a pleasant voice. This sounds like a John Mayer type song, like something you'd sing for the girls. It's not wimpy (not that 'girl music', if there is such a thing, is or should be) but I can't help but picture a couple of young pretty people in this song. I like the chorus vocals and the instrumentation throughout is well chosen arranged. Great portamento-ish hook. Eh. Maybe I'm a girl. Teasing, this is very good.

The Lookouts A bit bittersweet, and that's nice. I like the 'extra' chord before the chorus. Your voice is warm and inviting, but your harmonies could be tighter. Yeah, I don't know if like the spoken part either, but I get it. Those are hard to pull off, for some reason, I think. Loose but comfy tune. Could whittle this down a bit, too.

Minor Profit I like where this wants to go, but it's shaky. The progression, and the oh-ohs, even the whistle, are all good ideas but they make me a little nervous when they wobble like that. Kind of a cool 60s vibe for the oh-oh/whistle part, too. The bridge is missing something, I think, but I like it's intentions. 2nd half of it is excellent. Re-work the vocals on this, a lot.

Nobody, et al. So easy-going. I love that lazy snare. The slide is just making some of it's notes, tricky, I know. It's a good fit, though. I like the chorus but wonder if the chords on the second half couldn't be better. Doubt I could get any better ones, though. This feels a little incomplete, but I don't think it should go on too much longer. Hmm.


Paco del Stinko I had an elaborate song mostly done, but tossed it at the last minute as it was too hard to sing the harmonies I had worked out. Anyway, I threw together this pseudo angry guy tune, another in a seemingly long line of them.


Skadaddle I like the mood of this and that Middle Eastern guitar hook. The vocals are a little stiff on the rappy parts, but I am glad that you get melodic mixed in with them. Nice reverbed guitar parts are dark and effective. Are you playing real drums? They sound a little sloppy, but pretty decent.


sonofsupercar I dunno. I say you guys just keep getting your groove back, deeper and deeper. Most people should be both envious and scared of you guys, as I am. Catchy, face rocking, groove and power - this has it all. I love dark and dissonant guitar chords and this doesn't lack them. Great vocals too, even the kooky nut-bag part near the end.


TRJones A pleasant voice, but recorded strangely here. I like where this song wants to go, but it seems a bit off the mark. A demo, perhaps. This could be real heady and trippy but isn't quite making it. Good concept, self conscious execution or maybe missing some other folks to try it live with.


Tuners Union Man, this is good. Tight vocals, sweet melodies and support. The auto wah/envelope filter is perfect here and adds a nice bit of technicolor to a mostly organic sound. Dynamics are great near the end and the lyrical theme is very good at building anticipation: I want to know what happens in this relationship. NOTE: I do/don't hope that participate in this year's NUR EIN! contest. Do: because I'd be psyched to hear what you come up with. Don't: I fear I may suffer a terrible beating.
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Paco Del Stinko wrote: Billy and the Psychotics The bass line intro sounds like that classical song I can't name but you'd go "Oh yeah!" to if I could hum it to you. I love how this goes from swaying hippy to trippy hippy and back again. And yeah, D, it's catchy. The only thing missing here is me. ;)
I think I perhaps WAS missing a band in my own entry. And you WERE verymuchmissed in ours too and are each time you are not there :)

If I am not mistaken, Chris may have been trying for an air of the ridiculous and the theatrical and could have pulled the theme out of our culture's brain spaghetti from The Barber of Seville to attain an effect of Bohemian Rhapsody-like bombasticism (that's not a real word...but I liked it :) )
the theme kicks in at 3:17 and 6:23-ish.

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Ha! Thanks, Dee. I was thinking some kind of Bugs Bunny relation, but said nah. Glad to see that Chrispy steals from the best. (The only way to do it, right?)
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William Lane did a song for this fight but did not get it finished in time because he had some sort of soft cock excuse.

You can hear his song here:
http://www.ampslam.com/index.php?option ... U6A9L80zfY.
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Paco Del Stinko wrote:Ha! Thanks, Dee. I was thinking some kind of Bugs Bunny relation, but said nah. Glad to see that Chrispy steals from the best. (The only way to do it, right?)
wellll.... actually...... :) you remembered that one with total accuracy.

The part at 3:20 is the one I REALLY remember...
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Well heres the song that never was that would have taken the gold if I hadnt had some kind of cock...ummm I mean back problem! Please no autograph request!

http://www.ampslam.com/index.php?option ... U865jdj-f1
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RangerDenni wrote:
Paco Del Stinko wrote:Ha! Thanks, Dee. I was thinking some kind of Bugs Bunny relation, but said nah. Glad to see that Chrispy steals from the best. (The only way to do it, right?)
wellll.... actually...... :) you remembered that one with total accuracy.

The part at 3:20 is the one I REALLY remember...
That's it! :P
I do love the classics.
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Havent seen that cartoon in years...too funny!
A good % of people that think they are songwriters are not songwriters at all, they are confused poets. The difference between writing song lyrics and writing poetry is 3 lengths of a fool. If you don't believe me lay down and measure it sometime.
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Re: Well if you insist (Make the First Move reviews)

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Thanks for the great reviews everyone. I still haven't given up on writing my own. I just gotta make the time to sit down and knock 'em out.
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RangerDenni
Ice Cream Man
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Re: Well if you insist (Make the First Move reviews)

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I have four more. This will happen.
"Really interesting how the point you’re making slowly emerges like Martin Sheen from the mud in Apocalypse Now..." ~j$
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