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Mogosagatai · Post by **Mogosagatai** » Fri Oct 28, 2005 2:52 am

erikb wrote:Just because meaning could be there doesn't mean that you've proven that meaning is actually there.

Well yeah. That's what I meant when I rhetorically asked if title relevance can really be objective. You can never objectively say that meaning <i>is</i> there, no matter how obvious it is. Is "Mary Had a Little Lamb" <i>really</i> about a little lamb that was had by Mary? Scientists have been working towards the answer for centuries, with little objective headway.

j$ · Post by j$ » Fri Oct 28, 2005 3:00 am

Alternatively; If I walk into a table, and it hurts my hip bone - regardless of whether the table actually exists in any scientifically proveable form, my hip bone still hurts.

Wrangler · Post by **Wrangler** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:01 pm

Hi! Some people used to say I was "one tough customer"

but I'm really just a country girl who loves to strum the guitar!

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:19 pm

Wrangler wrote:Hi! Some people used to say I was "one tough customer"

but I'm really just a country girl who loves to strum the guitar!

yeah..well...I don't know about you guys...but I'm in love.

/kidding
//no seriously, don't freak out
///put down that restraining order

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 12:21 pm

ha!

I so expected you to do that!

...considering how well I actually know you...you might want to re-consider your internet-transparency....

jack · Post by **jack** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 1:25 pm

what's that saying..."wrangler butts drive me nuts......"

Dan-O from Five-O · Post by **Dan-O from Five-O** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 9:48 pm

Imnenigma wrote:
pegor wrote: Basically if you dont write words then you're only doing half the fucking work.
Yeah? Tell that to Mozart.

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis. Te decet hymnus, Deus, in Sion,
et tibi reddetur votum in Jerusalem. Exaudi orationem meam, ad te omnis caro veniet.
Requiem aeternam dona eis, Dimine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.

Roughly translated:

Grant them eternal rest, O Lord, and may perpetual light shine on them. Thou, O God, art praised in Sion,
and unto Thee shall the vow be performed in Jerusalem. Hear my prayer, unto Thee shall all flesh come.
Grant them eternal rest, O Lord, and may perpetual light shine on them.

Requiem Mass in D minor - Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Gottlieb Mozart - AKA "Guy who apparently doesn't know or care dick about lyrics" according to Imnenigma.

Imnenigma · Post by **Imnenigma** » Tue Nov 08, 2005 10:28 pm

Dan-O from Five-O wrote: ........Requiem Mass in D minor - Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Gottlieb Mozart - AKA "Guy who apparently doesn't know or care dick about lyrics" according to Imnenigma.

Refresh my memory where I said this. Oh yeah, that's right. I didn't.

It was Pegor.

Dan-O from Five-O · Post by **Dan-O from Five-O** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 9:10 pm

No, you said "Tell that to Mozart".

My point is he did both halves of the work. Music and Lyrics.

Refreshing enough?

Tonamel · Post by **Tonamel** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:27 pm

Sorry to say this, Dan-O, but it's a Requiem Mass. The lyrics are pre-existing. He didn't write the lyrics to his operas, either.

Mogosagatai · Post by **Mogosagatai** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:37 pm

Tonamel wrote:He didn't write the lyrics to his operas, either.

Really? That's interesting. Who wrote 'em?

Imnenigma · Post by **Imnenigma** » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:39 pm

Tonamel wrote:Sorry to say this, Dan-O, but it's a Requiem Mass. The lyrics are pre-existing. He didn't write the lyrics to his operas, either.

snicker.......

I think he was just trying to pick a fight with me anyways. I'm not biting. Or mincing my words.

Tonamel · Post by **Tonamel** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:11 am

Both Le Nozze di Figaro and Don Giovanni were written by Lorenzo da Ponte, and Die Zauberfloete was by Emanuel Schikaneder...

Most operas have librettists, actually. They're the unsung heroes of the musical world.

Dan-O from Five-O · Post by **Dan-O from Five-O** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:28 am

Imnenigma wrote:
Tonamel wrote:Sorry to say this, Dan-O, but it's a Requiem Mass. The lyrics are pre-existing. He didn't write the lyrics to his operas, either.
snicker.......

I think he was just trying to pick a fight with me anyways. I'm not biting. Or mincing my words.

I'm really not trying to pick a fight. The issue was whether a song should be considered a song if it only has music, no lyrics. I'm firmly in the instrumentals as submissions to SongFight are generally considered to not be songs because there's no telling when they were created and usually don't have a reference to the title camp. Imnenigma seemed to be inferring that Mozart's music didn't have lyrics so we should tell that to him. I was merely pointing out that some of his music did contain lyrics, not that he wrote said lyrics. If I misunderstood his statement, perhaps he could enlighten me as to what he meant by "Tell that to Mozart".

In retrospect, maybe I should have said Mozart doesn't submit here. Pick a more relevant reference please.

Egg · Post by **Egg** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:50 am

Tell that to Jim of Seattle.

Alternatively, tell that to my librettist.

Tonamel · Post by **Tonamel** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:45 am

GOOD GRIEF PEOPLE.

From the dictionary:

1. A brief composition written or adapted for singing.
2. The act or art of singing: broke into song.

n 1: a short musical composition with words

There is no definition of "song" that doesn't involve lyrics (I'm looking at you, Mendelssohn). Does that mean a piece that isn't a song can't win SongFight? Obviously not, but it makes it a heck of a lot harder.

Egg · Post by **Egg** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 12:13 pm

You forgot "A Chinese dynasty (960-1279). Under its rule China achieved one of its highest levels of culture and prosperity."

Song Fight is lucky I can't conceive of a way of attaching a Chinese ruling family to my email to the fightmasters.

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 3:49 pm

Tonamel wrote:GOOD GRIEF PEOPLE.

From the dictionary:

1. A brief composition written or adapted for singing.
2. The act or art of singing: broke into song.

n 1: a short musical composition with words

There is no definition of "song" that doesn't involve lyrics (I'm looking at you, Mendelssohn). Does that mean a piece that isn't a song can't win SongFight? Obviously not, but it makes it a heck of a lot harder.

wait...is it me or ...

singing doesn't require lyrics. ..so those first two are moot anyways.

However, I always thought songs were the tunes with words.

Dan-O from Five-O · Post by **Dan-O from Five-O** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 6:54 pm

Egg wrote:Tell that to Jim of Seattle.

I have. And his win with â€œWelcome To_â€

rone rivendale · Post by **rone rivendale** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:15 pm

There is a reason that Welcome to Windows worked as an instrumental. The song itself conveyed the idea. The windows chime and the the error sound and all that became the lyrics and made you feel like it was about windows.

Most Instumentals that get submitted here each week end up being songs with no direction. They might sound good on their own, but they don't represent the song title given to them.

So it IS possible to do a song without lyircs and do well here however it's alot harder to send a message without words to drive it home. And so you should stay away from it.

erik · Post by **erik** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 9:38 pm

Rone Rivendale wrote:So it IS possible to do a song without lyircs and do well here however it's alot harder to send a message without words to drive it home. And so you should stay away from it.

Instead of suggesting that people not attempt things that are difficult, how about suggesting that people put forth as much effort as (or more effort than) is needed to do those hard things?

rone rivendale · Post by **rone rivendale** » Sat Nov 12, 2005 10:58 pm

Because songfights like the Vishnu one were 33% instrumentals and everyone complained about it. No one likes it and the point of a contest is do what it takes to win. JoS was an exception, not a rule.