Loudness management

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Re: Loudness management

Post by fluffy » Wed Aug 28, 2019 9:16 am

jast wrote:
Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:45 am
I think that normalizing loudness is a particularly tricky topic for submissions that have a really rough mix - e.g. the drums kick in late and are way overbearing, stuff like that. Inexperience can easily make for fluctuations of 6 dB, which would mean a departure of maybe 3 dB in the mean - so, part of the song is 3 dB louder than the rest, and the rest is 3 dB quieter. The same can happen for a song with two distinct parts - in a more dynamic mix, 6 dB of difference are not at all out of the question (and not as extreme as the examples brought up earlier). There's really no way to stop this without going into audio-level compression (which we seem to agree is not a good idea).
I mean. Yeah, the loudness will hopefully vary within a track. Dynamic range is a good thing that cuts down on ear fatigue. And 6dB isn’t that much variation in the first place.

Out of curiosity I tried YouLean on my wiener dog song and found that it had a LUFS of -8 with a peak of 0. So I reduced its pre-limited gain to get -14 and lowered the limiter peak to -1. Listening to it side by side with the version on Spotify, the overall level sounded the same and I didn’t notice any change to the bits that YouLean identifies as peaks, but it’s also a fairly simple song without a lot of dynamic range. I’m very curious to hear what this change would do to some of my older tracks, although I’m worried about falling down the rabbit hole of wanting to remaster (and rerelease) all the things.
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Re: Loudness management

Post by AJOwens » Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:48 am

Interesting technical discussion -- and one that wouldn't have occurred if nobody knew some submissions needed fixing. Having my lack of loudness management on display is a good thing, as far as I'm concerned. Otherwise how will I find out it needs improving?

If a track isn't loud enough for you:
1. Lean forward and turn it up, FFS. (Remember when you had to get off the couch to change the TV channel? Life was so hard back then!)
2. Mention it in a review, and maybe suggest how to fix it.
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Re: Loudness management

Post by Pigfarmer Jr » Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:13 am

AJOwens wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 3:48 am
1. Lean forward and turn it up, FFS. (Remember when you had to get off the couch to change the TV channel? Life was so hard back then!)
And then turn it back down when the next song is blaring and then down again when the mix that is super loud comes up and then waaaay back up for the next real quiet one. Which I do, btw, in the studio or on my home stereo. I don't do it on the phone/earphones nearly as much. I just tend to skip the song and think "I'll come back to it later when I can easily adjust volume" especially when I'm running which is a great time to listen. As I stated in another thread: "I would hate for a good song to miss out on a listen or a vote because it was too loud or too quiet compared to most of the other songs in a fight."

I'm not saying you don't have a good point but I don't think it is asking too much to have a goal to aim for or to spend a few minutes to learn how to get a consistent volume in our mixes. Ultimately it is an individual choice to do so or not.
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