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Postby Eric Y. » Wed Oct 13, 2004 1:13 pm

all the more reason for him to do it. for his complete lack of talent as a singer, dylan wrote some decent songs, even if it did take the byrds, or jimi hendrix, or whoever, to show the world how good.
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Postby j$ » Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:16 am

In the interests of discussion, rather than wanting to start a bitchslap session ....

john m wrote:The idea of barring someone because they are good so you have a chance to win is lame.


Agreed. Totally.

SongFight is far more about hearing good indie music than winning.


a) Tell that to the friend flooders, blog flooders et al.

b)If one chooses to enjoy SF as an audience rather than a competitor, that's absolutely fabulous, and most people who stay here go that way if they weren't there already, in my experience; but it's important we don't forget that the thing that brought all us musicians here was the chance to get heard and the belief we were good enough to win.

Make better music if you want a better chance to win.
This is essentially the worst advice you can give anyone, imo. Sounds reasonable but in reality is not only totally unworkable but could easily paralyse creativity.

'Better' is such an arbitrary and subjective term. For example, Jute Gyte makes brilliant music, so does King Arthur. So does Eddie Bangs. There is very little within their styles, from production to approach to lyrics and beyond, that you could say change this, make this 'better' - all are well-respected yet none of them have won a songfight (to my knowledge).

The logical extension of this advice this would be to change your creative process to incorporate the perceived most popular style, to thus garner the most votes. But of course that would kill your creativity, unless you are a musical dillitante.

Well, okay, get a mailing list, too.


I'm getting myself a spambot as we speak :)
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Postby j$ » Tue Oct 19, 2004 4:02 am

And on-topic, finally ...

Clash songs I would like to hear done by songfighters

Clampdown - Doctor Worm
Magnificent Seven - Jack Shite
Stay Free - King Arthur
Garageland - Masters of Grip
English Civil War - Kamakura
Lost in the Supermarket - Obscurity
Career Opportunities - Marcus Kellis
Koka Kola - Octothorpe
This is Radio Clash - Starfinger
Know your Rights - 15-16 Puzzle
Train in Vain - Caravan Ray
What's My Name? - Niveous
I'm Not Down - Son of Supercar
Wrong 'Em Boyo - Dan the Apathetic

I'd also like to hear Heuristics Inc cover Throbbing Gristle's 'Hot on the Heels of Love'

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Postby HeuristicsInc » Tue Oct 19, 2004 6:45 am

j$ wrote:I'd also like to hear Heuristics Inc cover Throbbing Gristle's 'Hot on the Heels of Love'


Oh yeah? I actually just dug out my old tape of that album. Now I'll have to listen to it... it's been ages!
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Postby j$ » Tue Oct 19, 2004 7:08 am

HeuristicsInc wrote:
j$ wrote:I'd also like to hear Heuristics Inc cover Throbbing Gristle's 'Hot on the Heels of Love'


Oh yeah? I actually just dug out my old tape of that album. Now I'll have to listen to it... it's been ages!
-bill


Yeah it's funky and cool and rhythmic and I reckon you could do it justice. Don't take offence that it's a woman singing :)

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Postby Niveous » Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:40 am

j$ wrote:What's My Name? - Niveous
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I've never heard this one. Send me an mp3 and i'll give it a shot after I finish cleaning up my cover of "When Doves Cry" and feed some much needed life into my cover of "Feed the Tree".
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Postby fodroy » Tue Oct 19, 2004 10:52 am

j$ wrote:Wrong 'Em Boyo - Dan the Apathetic

i would like to do this someday.
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Postby Caravan Ray » Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:59 pm

j$ wrote:And on-topic, finally ...


Train in Vain - Caravan Ray

j$


That sounds like an excellent idea - I'll try to give it a go

Let me add a couple to your wish list:

Janie Jones - The Hell Yeahs
Junco Partner - C Hack
Charlie Don't Surf - Josh Woodward
Guns of Brixton - DOWNWITHGENDER featuring j$ on vocals
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Postby john m » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:33 pm

j$ wrote:This is essentially the worst advice you can give anyone, imo. Sounds reasonable but in reality is not only totally unworkable but could easily paralyse creativity.

'Better' is such an arbitrary and subjective term. For example, Jute Gyte makes brilliant music, so does King Arthur. So does Eddie Bangs. There is very little within their styles, from production to approach to lyrics and beyond, that you could say change this, make this 'better' - all are well-respected yet none of them have won a songfight (to my knowledge).


Agreed, but there are ways to improve your songwriting to where people respect what you've done more than usual (sometimes to the point of voting for you). I'm certainly the furthest one can be from a country fan, but I think Brick Pig is a great musician, and I always enjoy hearing his entries. 'Better' -is- completely subjective, but if you're trying to make your music enjoyable anyway, why not try to assess what people like and don't like about your music? If the things people keep mentioning need improved don't contradict your musical beliefs or intended aim, I don't see a reason not to try to incorporate new methods in your musical process. (In short, taking advice does not necessarily compromise musical integrity.)
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Which was mid 2002, I think

Postby erik » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:54 pm

man i liked johnm better before he sold out
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Postby ken » Wed Oct 20, 2004 10:23 am

Caravan Ray wrote:
j$ wrote:And on-topic, finally ...


Train in Vain - Caravan Ray

j$


That sounds like an excellent idea - I'll try to give it a go


Here's another cover of that song by Too Much Joy if you need inspiration:

http://sayhername.com/music/sosia/train_in_vain.rm

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Postby c hack » Wed Oct 20, 2004 11:10 am

I also want to see the Hell Yeahs cover Liz Phair's "Supernova." It's too poppy as it stands. I think they might be able to do it better.
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Postby j$ » Wed Oct 20, 2004 5:36 pm

If people are interested in doing some clash covers, I stumbled across a pretty good tabulature page

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pa ... raphy.html

I tried a few of them and they're pretty accurate, compared to most on-line tab approximations. I guess the music's pretty simple :)

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Postby Bolio » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:19 am

GlennCase wrote:
The Steely Dan Trifecta



How about a 'Quad-ra-fec-ta' ?? Please Mr Case, give me a song to cover because I'm the biggest Steely Dan Fan in the world :!:
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Postby j$ » Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:38 am

Caravan Ray wrote:
j$ wrote:
Let me add a couple to your wish list:

Janie Jones - The Hell Yeahs


This is a fantasitc idea. Don't know why i didn't think of that.

Junco Partner - C Hack
Charlie Don't Surf - Josh Woodward


I would prefer to hear C Hack do Charlie Don't Surf actually. Or, if it wasn't so brit-referential, White Man in Hammersmith Palais.

Guns of Brixton - DOWNWITHGENDER featuring j$ on vocals


This is quite patently the most stupid idea I have heard for a very long time :) Anyway, I want to have a go at Bankrobber, some time soon. (After I make A-bomb's minute by tackling Typical Girls).

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Postby jimtyrrell » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:06 am

Bolio wrote:
GlennCase wrote:
The Steely Dan Trifecta



How about a 'Quad-ra-fec-ta' ?? Please Mr Case, give me a song to cover because I'm the biggest Steely Dan Fan in the world :!:


Um... Pentafecta? I wanna play!

EDIT: Oh wait, I've still got that America tune to cover. Disregard until I get off my ass.
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Postby king_arthur » Thu Oct 21, 2004 6:32 am

If there's gonna be a DanFest, I'd love to hear somebody cover "Gaucho." Such a clever song...

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Postby Niveous » Thu Oct 21, 2004 11:01 am

When this thread appeared I thought it was cool. Little did I know how consumed I would be by my task. Insanity, insanity. And the worst part is there are a few more bands I'd like to include on my list. But some part of me desires to get this list out already. So here's my huge Wishlist. And if any band fulfills a wish, I'd be more than happy to do a song of their choosing in return.

10 Feet Tall “God Give me Strength” by Bacharach & Costello
15-16 Puzzle “No Culture Icons” by the Thermals
A Kid Named Ace “Rampid” By Switchblade Symphony
Abecadarian “Am I Wrong” by Love Spit Love
Abiota “From a Million Miles” by Single Gun Theory
Abominominous “Ebow the Letter” by R.E.M.
ADD “Mockingbirds” by Grant Lee Buffalo
All Night Bakery “Nigel” by Hepcat
Andre WHAM “How Soon is Now” by the Smiths
Astrolamb “Fight Test” by the Flaming Lips
Awful Poetry Journal “Windowlicker” by Aphex Twin
Baby in the Corner “Mary’s Prayer” by Danny Wilson
Bloodberries & Cream “Cuts You Up” by Peter Murphy
Blue Lang “Paint it Black” by the Rolling Stones
BME “It’s Not the End of the World” by Super Furry Animals
Bolio “X-French Tee-Shirt” by Shudder to Think
Boomstick “Heart Like A Wheel” by Human League
Bortwein “St. Anger” by Metallica
Brad Sucks “Whole Lotta Love” by Led Zepplin
Brainpipe “Let’s Go Crazy” by Prince
Brother Machine “Mississippi Queen” by Mountain
Buffalo Speedway “I’ll Melt With You” by Modern English
C. Hack “Lids” by Salt
c. layne “Super Bon Bon” by Soul Coughing
Calfborg “Blood” by Faith No More
Charcoal “Head On” by Jesus & Mary Chain
Cow Exchange “Aeroplane” by Red Hot Chili Peppers
Dave Corun “Eurotrash Girl” by Cracker
Def Author “Clint Eastwood” by the Gorillaz
Doctor Worm “Crying Scene” by Aztec Camera
Dollar Bill & the Inkpoints “The Eye” by Smashing Pumpkins
Doscientos “I’m Ugly” by Butt Trumpet
Draft “Angels” by the Tea Party
Dreamy Mo & the Commoners “Rebel Yell” by Billy Idol
Dylan Nau “Gimme Shelter” by Rolling Stones
ECU Moses “What’s the Frequency Kenneth” by R.E.M.
Liechty “Fascination Street” by the Cure
Neil Thrun “MacArthur Park” by Richard Harris
Al Gore Band “The Bad Touch” by Bloodhound Gang
Eddie Bangs “Falling in Love” by Aerosmith
Evermind “Apathy is a Cold Body” by Poison the Well
Fantastic Vamps “Feel So Numb” by Rob Zombie
Feldspar “Anthem for the Year 2000” by Silverchair
Fishboy Rex “Chick Magnet” by MxPx
Fluffy Porcupine “So Alive” by Love & Rockets
40 Second Songs “Unsung” by Helmet
Frankie Big Face “Wishful Thinking” by Duncan Shiek
Freudian Slip “Big Empty” by STP
Fro Envy “Honky’s Ladder” by Afghan Whigs
FAL Squad “Scenario” by Tribe Called Quest
Glenn & Rachel “Televators” by Mars Volta
Glenn Case “Perfect Drug” by NIN
Hell Yeahs “Triggerhappy Jack” by Poe
Henrietta & the Hostage “The Mayor” by Rasputina
Hentai Kitty Death “Solitaire Unraveling” by Mushroomhead
High Density “Deadbeat Club” by the B-52’s
His Name is Dan “Surburbia” by Pet Shop Boys
Hoblit “If You Don’t Know Me Now” by Simply Red
Hostess Mostess “He Ain’t Heavy…” by the Hollies
Hujhax “A Long December” by Counting Crows
Ice Weasels “The Freshmen” by the Verve Pipe
Idiot Kings “Park Avenue” by GVSB
JoS “A Sorta Fairytale” by Tori Amos
JBB “California” by Phantom Planet
Max the Cat “Lifetime Piling Up” by Talking Heads
J$ “My Heart Can’t Tell You No” by Rod Stewart
Jon Eric “Jurassitol” by Filter
Jute Gyte “Cult of Personality” by Living Colour
Kamakura “Breathe” by Midge Ure
Kapitano “Rock Me Amadeus” by Falco
King Arthur “Right Here Right Now” by Jesus Jones
Klownhole “Please Sir” by Pitchshifter
Landfills “Son of a Gun” by KMFDM
Leaf 62 “Take Me Out” by Franz Ferdinand
Level Nivelo “The Suits are Picking up the Bill” by Squirrel Nut Zippers
Lonbobby “I Ran” by Flock of Seagulls
Loyalty Day “Sour Times” by Portishead
Lunkhead “I Don’t Know Why I Love You” by House of Love
Madi “Human Behaviour” by Bjork
MISS “Black Hole Sun” by Soundgarden
Miss Teen Universe “Shout” by Tears for Fears
Mother Funker “Room at the Top” by Adam Ant
Novox “Mass Destruction” by Faithless
# “Chop Suey” by System of a Down
‘Over “Dear God” by XTC
Pompeii “36 Degrees” by Placebo
Poor June “November Spawned A Monster” by Morriseey
prayformojo “Sister Havana” by Urge Overkill
Puce “Here Comes the Rain Again” by the Eurythemics
Rachel Layne “Lucky” by Bif Naked
RxW “One Caress” by Depeche Mode
Redcar “Bandages” by Hot Hot Heat
Revel Yth “Queer” by Garbage
Roymond “This Used to be my Playground” by Madonna
Caravan Ray “Been Caught Stealing” by Jane’s Addiction
Silent E “Cold” by Static X
Sissy Fist “Some Like it Hot” by Power Station
Sober Irishman “We Want Fun” by Andrew WK
sonofsupercar “Judith” by A Perfect Circle
Spy vs. Pie “Hardest Button to Button” by the White Stripes
Starfinger “mOBSCENE” by Marilyn Manson
Sven Mullet “Turbonegro Must Be Destroyed” by Turbonegro
Tonetripper “Go with the Flow” by Queens of the Stone Age
TVIYH “My Name is Mud” by Primus
Tony Hightower “Ruby” by Tweaker
White Hat “The Ground Beneath Her Feet” by U2
WreckdoM “When the Tigers Broke Free” by Pink Floyd
~)*|*(~ “My Own Summer” by the Deftones


I know it's a slighty odd list but I put a lot of thought into it. If anyone is wondering why I chose a certain song, just ask.
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Postby j$ » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:32 pm

king_arthur wrote:If there's gonna be a DanFest, I'd love to hear somebody cover "Gaucho." Such a clever song...

Charles


When I first read this, I mis-imagined a huge 3 day open air festival dedicated to the songs of His Name is Dan. Not such a bad idea, in retrospect ...

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Postby j$ » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:36 pm

Niveous wrote: Insanity, insanity.


I was gonna quote your entire post, just to be contrary :) Some real good calls on there, Niv, but

J$ “My Heart Can’t Tell You No” by Rod Stewart


I don't actually know this one. Not a huge Rod Stewart fan, especially after hearing him massacre more than one Tom Waits song .... curious to know what you think I can bring to it (bar looking good in a leopardskin leotard)

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Postby fodroy » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:36 pm

j$ wrote:
king_arthur wrote:If there's gonna be a DanFest, I'd love to hear somebody cover "Gaucho." Such a clever song...

Charles


When I first read this, I mis-imagined a huge 3 day open air festival dedicated to the songs of His Name is Dan. Not such a bad idea, in retrospect ...

j$

i'd totally pay to see that concert. 8)
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Postby Niveous » Thu Oct 21, 2004 12:47 pm

j$ wrote:
Niveous wrote: J$ “My Heart Can’t Tell You No” by Rod Stewart


I don't actually know this one. Not a huge Rod Stewart fan, especially after hearing him massacre more than one Tom Waits song .... curious to know what you think I can bring to it (bar looking good in a leopardskin leotard)

J$


1- never speak of Rod Stewart's "Hang On St. Christopher" in my presence. That was blashphemy!!! Even the Bulletboys' version is more respectable.

2- Despite the fact that it's Rod Stewart, the song is very lyrically strong. So, I'd be curious to how it would sound with your musical inclinations. Plus, I would really like to hear you do a ballad that's full of emotion.

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