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Officer O'Mally is

a thug!
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useless lying thug!
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positive part of our community there to keep the peace.
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conditioned part of our society there to USE his piece!
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6%
I just don't know anymore...
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Postby sausage boy » Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:04 pm

Caravan Ray wrote:For some reason though - it seems to be compulsary viewing for everybody over the age of about 60.


Actually, over 33s, I think you'll find. Legs' sister, and her sister friend are both over 33 Bill fans. Legs' Dad is an over 50s Bill fan. Perhaps its our natural affinity to English law officers that is being brought back up? I am starting to feel a want for baggy clothing with arrows painted on it already.
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Postby Rabid Garfunkel » Thu Jan 31, 2008 8:40 am

HeuristicsInc wrote:
Rabid Garfunkel wrote:O... kay. If a man is going to go to low-class bars with thieves


Nah, I think the tea leaves is pot.
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Went with the rhyming slang there tea leaves/thieves. It was either that or some sort of obscure reference to psychics that makes me think, should I ever travel to far-away places, I'll just pretend to be a mute, heh.
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Postby obscurity » Thu Jan 31, 2008 10:53 am

Rabid Garfunkel wrote:O... kay. If a man is going to go to low-class bars with thieves... got that part, but stich him like a kipper?


It's usually stitched up like a kipper, and it basically means set up (in the context, this would usually mean being framed).

And yes, tea-leaves is cockney rhyming slang for thieves. A dodgy boozer is almost certainly a pub rather than a bar tho'. And dodgy is more disreputable than low-class.
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Postby Me$$iah » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:41 am

Hobz,

They aint called the filth for nothing.

Ive only really had one major encounter with the rozzers, and it was a nightmare. They arrested me, smashed up my house, pissed in my bed*, locked me up for days and then afterwards when I had finally proven to the fuckers that they were indeed wrong, and I was completely innocent of what they had accused me of, they didnt even apologise.
I have had many minor run-ins usually whilst out walking at night.

This has left me with the understanding that all coppers are indeed bastards

Tho the situation is going to get a whole lot worse.

Here is a horrible film possibly detailing the shape of things to come.


*Yup the cunts actually pissed in my bed, after trashing my place and breaking a few items, they really did urinate into my bed. Which made me feel great, when after a few days weraing a paper suit locked up in a tiny concrete room, and then having to attend a court hearing and walk home after, still wearing said paper suit. So upon arrival at home all I wanted to do was have a cuppa and crash in my own bed. Oh yes that made me feel fanfuckingtastic

Cunts.... Im getting angry about it again now as I type......FUCK

Burn the fucking lot of em....
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Re: The Law, The Police, and YOU.

Postby Kill Me Sarah » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:17 am

My dad was a cop for 20 years and when he started in the 70's, being a police officer was like being a fireman. You were a public servant and people respected you and appreciated you. When you went to the diner the waitress brought you a free cup of coffee and people thanked you for the work you do. By the time he left, cops were despised, a majority of people wouldn't even say 'thank you' when he'd helped them. My dad was the kind of cop that treated everyone respectfully and most of the town drunks who regularly found themselves in a jail cell to sleep it off knew him by name and liked him. Growing up, people in town who heard my name would say "hey, are you Finney's kid?"

I think it's deplorable when anyone abuses the authority they have been given. I also think that cops are kind of like the earliest sanitation workers; "decent" society wanted nothing to do with you but society couldn't be "decent" without your services.
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Postby Billy's Little Trip » Thu Aug 07, 2008 9:33 am

Me$$iah wrote:Hobz,

They aint called the filth for nothing.

Ive only really had one major encounter with the rozzers, and it was a nightmare. They arrested me, smashed up my house, pissed in my bed*, locked me up for days and then afterwards when I had finally proven to the fuckers that they were indeed wrong, and I was completely innocent of what they had accused me of, they didnt even apologise.
I have had many minor run-ins usually whilst out walking at night.

This has left me with the understanding that all coppers are indeed bastards

Tho the situation is going to get a whole lot worse.

Here is a horrible film possibly detailing the shape of things to come.


*Yup the cunts actually pissed in my bed, after trashing my place and breaking a few items, they really did urinate into my bed. Which made me feel great, when after a few days weraing a paper suit locked up in a tiny concrete room, and then having to attend a court hearing and walk home after, still wearing said paper suit. So upon arrival at home all I wanted to do was have a cuppa and crash in my own bed. Oh yes that made me feel fanfuckingtastic

Cunts.... Im getting angry about it again now as I type......FUCK

Burn the fucking lot of em....

What did they think you were guilty of? I don't like frivolous law suits, but this is where our legal system is needed. It's to make them think twice before doing something like this in the future. Complaints mean nothing, but when money is involved, all ears and eyes open.
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Re: The Law, The Police, and YOU.

Postby roymond » Thu Aug 07, 2008 2:08 pm

Kill Me Sarah wrote:My dad was a cop for 20 years and when he started in the 70's, being a police officer was like being a fireman. You were a public servant and people respected you and appreciated you.

I regularly thank cops for being there. I can't imagine being a NYC cop. That's insane. For all the talk of corruption and abuse, it's still a tiny percentage (but of course it can always be better and certain cases are just sickening).
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Re: The Law, The Police, and YOU.

Postby Hoblit » Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:14 am

roymond wrote:
Kill Me Sarah wrote:My dad was a cop for 20 years and when he started in the 70's, being a police officer was like being a fireman. You were a public servant and people respected you and appreciated you.

I regularly thank cops for being there. I can't imagine being a NYC cop. That's insane. For all the talk of corruption and abuse, it's still a tiny percentage (but of course it can always be better and certain cases are just sickening).


The biggest argument for Police Departments is always this. It's only a few bad apples, it's only a small percentage. This argument is full of fallacies.

1. Only a small percentage get CAUGHT. (think about it, do you really think every cop that is doing something wrong out there is getting caught or reported?)

2. An even smaller percentage of officers that don't receive the blue code honor where their fellow police officers cover for them. Most often than not, they get this treatment and that further perpetuates the larger problem.

3. And the tiniest percentage of all are the ones that actually get convicted for whatever crime they committed under the guise of their badge.
A. And EVEN THEN how many times have you heard about a police officer getting a punishment that no where equals the crime. Lighter sentences, avoiding jail time, suspension WITH pay... yadda yadda

The biggest problem with law enforcement these days is that in keeping up with newer and more vile crime, they too have changed unwritten rules to combat the ever growing problems. This is elevated by the fact that cops don't tell on cops...its pretty rare when they do. I'm no expert on the issue but I suspect its because if they do they open themselves up to ridicule and revenge. That and they would want the same treatment if they somehow mess up.

Remember when tasers were introduced? They were sold to the public as a last resort to be used instead of the gun. Does anybody here think that's still their SOP?

I realize there was a time when police were respected and I've even known a few and they were respectable. (I'll even state that the last THREE times I had car trouble, the police offered assistance in some way and one was even going to help me change a tire!) I'm not saying that ALL of the police are bad...but I'm arguing that it's not SUCH a small percentage anymore and the types of crimes they are committing have evolved in the worse manner.
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Re: The Law, The Police, and YOU.

Postby frankie big face » Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:49 am

Hoblit wrote:The biggest problem with law enforcement these days is that in keeping up with newer and more vile crime, they too have changed unwritten rules to combat the ever growing problems. This is elevated by the fact that cops don't tell on cops...its pretty rare when they do. I'm no expert on the issue but I suspect its because if they do they open themselves up to ridicule and revenge. That and they would want the same treatment if they somehow mess up.


I think this is actually quite the opposite of what is true today. I think there was a time (early to mid-twentieth century) when a cop could get away with ANYTHING in America, which is why they were so feared by criminals. Today, there is so much scrutiny from the press, lawyers, random people with camcorders that policemen have to watch everything they do because someone, somewhere is probably watching them. The result is that really bad guys aren't afraid at all. I'm not in any way justifying misbehavior by the police or abuse of power, just disagreeing with this statement. Maybe I'm wrong and cops have found really quiet and underhanded ways of getting around all the scrutiny, but I don't think you can argue that the police in America are under more pressure and public vigilance than ever before.
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Postby Hoblit » Fri Aug 08, 2008 7:55 am

frankie big face wrote:
Hoblit wrote:The biggest problem with law enforcement these days is that in keeping up with newer and more vile crime, they too have changed unwritten rules to combat the ever growing problems. This is elevated by the fact that cops don't tell on cops...its pretty rare when they do. I'm no expert on the issue but I suspect its because if they do they open themselves up to ridicule and revenge. That and they would want the same treatment if they somehow mess up.


I think this is actually quite the opposite of what is true today. I think there was a time (early to mid-twentieth century) when a cop could get away with ANYTHING in America, which is why they were so feared by criminals. Today, there is so much scrutiny from the press, lawyers, random people with camcorders that policemen have to watch everything they do because someone, somewhere is probably watching them. The result is that really bad guys aren't afraid at all. I'm not in any way justifying misbehavior by the police or abuse of power, just disagreeing with this statement. Maybe I'm wrong and cops have found really quiet and underhanded ways of getting around all the scrutiny, but I don't think you can argue that the police in America are under more pressure and public vigilance than ever before.


This is true...and thank god for the advent of dash board cams... but I don't believe that its in any way cured the problem...maybe skirted it a little. As illustrated in the link above, which is pretty recent, they weren't really acting with the media scrutiny in mind and I doubt that most cops are thinking 'what would Jesus do' because there MIGHT be a camcorder around the corner.
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Postby frankie big face » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:17 am

If there's a "cure" for people in positions of authority doing bad things, it's probably a little more complicated than a dashboard cam.
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Postby Hoblit » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:40 am

frankie big face wrote:If there's a "cure" for people in positions of authority doing bad things, it's probably a little more complicated than a dashboard cam.


Yeah, perhaps I took my analogy to an extreme by saying 'cure' and referencing the phrase 'what would Jesus do' while making my point. I just don't think that recent scrutiny has had much of an impact. MAYBE it still WILL and I should give it time, but for now its just making them 'look' bad and not stopping them from actually doing the 'bad' thing.

My point ultimately is that I have no confidence in pointing out to a police officer that what he is doing will reflect back to him and the department wouldhave any positive effect on the way I would be treated in any given situation. (Whats worse is that I get the feeling that would induce a laugh and I would be reminded that his peers would also get a kick out of such a thought)

Hey, I do appreciate your input though.
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Postby frankie big face » Fri Aug 08, 2008 8:52 am

Hoblit wrote:...but for now its just making them 'look' bad and not stopping them from actually doing the 'bad' thing.


I think that's probably true.
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Re: The Law, The Police, and YOU.

Postby Kill Me Sarah » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:16 am

Hoblit wrote:
roymond wrote:
Kill Me Sarah wrote:My dad was a cop for 20 years and when he started in the 70's, being a police officer was like being a fireman. You were a public servant and people respected you and appreciated you.

I regularly thank cops for being there. I can't imagine being a NYC cop. That's insane. For all the talk of corruption and abuse, it's still a tiny percentage (but of course it can always be better and certain cases are just sickening).


The biggest argument for Police Departments is always this.


Actually I think the biggest argument for Police Departments is that most people are bummed out when they wake up to total anarchy... :-)

Out of four incidents with police (reported here), you've had one bad one. You could take it a step farther and say, that out of a whole van full of cops, only one made any trouble for you. Yes, the others may have irked you by not stepping in on your behalf, but had the one "bad apple" been removed, you would have likely had no problem. So again, while it's disgusting for someone to abuse power granted them, it does seem to be just "a few bad apples". Also, I think it's a little unfair to criticize cops specifically for having a reputation for not giving each other up when one is under scrutiny. This is a sad fact of society in general. Michael Vick and the Atlanta Falcons, anyone?
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Postby Lunkhead » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:31 am

Public scrutiny is good, but it's not the same as actual accountability. Jurors, judges, police and city management have to be willing to actually hold officers accountable in order for things to change when bad things happen.
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Postby Hoblit » Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:40 am

Kill Me Sarah wrote:
Hoblit wrote:
The biggest argument for Police Departments is always this.


Actually I think the biggest argument for Police Departments is that most people are bummed out when they wake up to total anarchy... :-)

Out of four incidents with police (reported here), you've had one bad one. You could take it a step farther and say, that out of a whole van full of cops, only one made any trouble for you. Yes, the others may have irked you by not stepping in on your behalf, but had the one "bad apple" been removed, you would have likely had no problem. So again, while it's disgusting for someone to abuse power granted them, it does seem to be just "a few bad apples". Also, I think it's a little unfair to criticize cops specifically for having a reputation for not giving each other up when one is under scrutiny. This is a sad fact of society in general. Michael Vick and the Atlanta Falcons, anyone?


You can't assume that just because we've only posted one illustration in this post (each) that there haven't been other instances where we've had problems with unruly officers. I've got more stories... I just gave you the one that happened recently (relative to the time of post though...that was back in January or February)

I've met both types of police officers evenly. I've even worked with retired cops that were probably the a-hole types on the force. (lord knows they were a-holes in the restaurant biz)

Also, this scenario is only proportional to the amount of cops vs citizens in the first place. Its only in the recent years has there been so much more communication and news that we are finally getting more and more 'reports' and this only encompasses the items that actually get reported. You combine THAT with our story(s) and you start to get a picture of what could REALLY be going on even though there is no way to actually gauge that.

I'm not saying its 50/50... I might not even be saying that its 1/3... but I do believe we COULD BE approaching the 1/4 area and that is unacceptable. (and I'm not claiming that they are all on the same level of 'bad' either, obviously)
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Re: The Law, The Police, and YOU.

Postby Kill Me Sarah » Fri Aug 08, 2008 10:54 am

Hoblit wrote:
You can't assume that just because we've only posted one illustration in this post (each) that there haven't been other instances where we've had problems with unruly officers. )

Understood, that's why I said "reported here" in parentheses. I think we're basically on the same page. I agree that any corruption whatsoever amongst a group that is supposed to protect us is too much. I guess what I'm driving at, is that it isn't the institution of police officers itself that's at fault. Society in general is getting worse, and police are just individual members of society.
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Postby Hoblit » Fri Aug 08, 2008 12:17 pm

Kill Me Sarah wrote:
Hoblit wrote:
You can't assume that just because we've only posted one illustration in this post (each) that there haven't been other instances where we've had problems with unruly officers. )

Understood, that's why I said "reported here" in parentheses. I think we're basically on the same page. I agree that any corruption whatsoever amongst a group that is supposed to protect us is too much. I guess what I'm driving at, is that it isn't the institution of police officers itself that's at fault. Society in general is getting worse, and police are just individual members of society.


Yeah, I'm not calling for anarchy or anything... we need the institution of policing in general AND I DEFINITELY agree with you that the worsening problem with police is a direct result of things worsening in general.

The line that separates the 'good guys' from the 'bad guys' is graying.
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Postby Caravan Ray » Sun Aug 10, 2008 5:28 am

Hoblit wrote:The line that separates the 'good guys' from the 'bad guys' is graying.

Given that your government for the last several years has been flagrantly and frequently abusing international laws (think torture, imprisonment without charge, illegal invasions etc) - is it any wonder that your police force may likewise be turning to shit?
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Postby frankie big face » Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:15 am

Caravan Ray wrote:
Hoblit wrote:The line that separates the 'good guys' from the 'bad guys' is graying.

Given that your government for the last several years has been flagrantly and frequently abusing international laws (think torture, imprisonment without charge, illegal invasions etc) - is it any wonder that your police force may likewise be turning to shit?


I'm not disagreeing with the things you are saying necessarily, but I don't think those two entities have much to do with one another. Local law enforcement and upper level government in the United States have virtually nothing to do with one another and, as staggeringly ignorant as this may sound to you, I bet most local policemen know next to nothing about international law and/or the way our government abuses it.

I'm the furthest thing from a patriot but I can tell you that I wouldn't even try to make assumptions or inferences about your local government based on what (little) I know about your country's international politics. If you're going to hurl stones from such a distance, you may want to stick to the big targets because this statement makes you sound kind of stupid.
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Hoblit wrote:"The fact that a cop CAN arrest me should not be a reason for me to fear that consequence if I'm not doing anything suspicious or illegal."

<font size="1">I'm not yelling at YOU BLT, I'm just counter pointing with opinion. I don't want you to take my post on personal level.</font>


it's hard to find things that aren't illegal, anything can be construed..
and cops all the time plant shit, if givin' a reason 2..
why not... it's your word against theirs...

three fuck the police... yea that's right

4. even the nice ones are in a position, where they can turn something good into something
shitty, it is their job... and becomes a part of their nature
when you are for the most part, isolated
and then put into a strict code order
it becomes a point of figuring out what your simplest ways of coping
most of the time being
well i can 'do this'...

really have no respect for law enforcement... it's just a high yeild racket, if anyone else did, what they do
they would be arrested for robbing, assault, speeding, you name it..
it's the right to do what you want... with few consquences... cop in virginia got away with murdering and burying people in his yard for something like 15+ years...
just because he was a cop
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