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I know everyone has been watching this since earlier today. So let's get it out here now.
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http://abcnews.go.com/ad/gmaintroad.htm ... &tqshow=WN

Cliffs:
Gunman tries to assassinate congresswoman Gifford
Shoots many others including a child and a judge
Gunman is in custody
Gunman has been leading up to this on the Internet

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Check out the gunman's (Jared Lee Loughner) youtube vids before they are removed. Most of his stuff has been already.











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wow... this cat is a NUT. i used to go to school right around there. what a terrible waste of life.

ps. not to make a joke out of a tragedy, but the song behind "how to:mind controller" is frikin sweet.
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My first thought after reading and hearing about the shooter was how does a 22 year old go from being so passionate about his message and protest, to actually killing a congresswoman?

Now they are showing a second person of interest that drove him to the event where the shooting took place. A man they say is between 40 and 50. So now I'm thinking he was possibly coached.

They say he enlisted in the military, but was rejected for undisclosed reasons. This seemed odd to me at first because he seemed to be anti American in his actions, like burning the flag, etc. But the more I read, he is more anti establishment, not anti American. Although some may argue that fact.
Could the rejection have pushed him over the edge?

I guess we'll just have to see how this unfolds.
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i would seem ironic for someone who railed, and protested against "brainwashing" to be brainwashed into violence. not to say that two crazies can't talk each other into a frenzy. it will be interesting to see who this other guy is, and what role he played.
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Isn't the question here:
"Why are people in the USA allowed to buy and carry guns"!?!?

This is completely insane! This dude had been diagnosed with a mental illness and he can go and buy an automatic weapon!?!? WTF?!?!?!?

This story has been on the news over here - but the general response is - "ho hum - another mass-shooting by the nutbags". I am so glad that I live somewhere where my "freedom" to own lethal weapons is suppressed.
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I like shooting guns, and there are people who are safe and responsible with them. but it can be hard to distinguish between a responsible gun nut, and a total "nut bag" because they often look exactly alike. It always sucks when a few, mess something up for everyone else. American freedom is a slippery slope, because on one hand we have to protect the lives of our citizens, and on the other their right to do basically WTF ever they want. The conflict between those two rules has caused just about every problem in our short history. I will admit, there are times where I wish aus had more lenient immigration laws... But you guys just talk so funny down there ;)

Not to mention we have droves of these nut jobs putting their videos on YouTube, handing out their propaganda on street corners, screaming at packed churches, and millions of viewers over our tv networks. 99.99999% of these wackos wouldn't hurt a fly... I mean how crazy would it be to see Glenn beck go on a shooting spree? Not gonna happen, but that man is living in a dream world. We have too many crazies,and out freedom supports their insanity.
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Caravan Ray wrote:I am so glad that I live somewhere where my "freedom" to own lethal weapons is suppressed.
You crack me up, John! :lol:
And don't even get me started on open carry and concealed carry as well. I'll just say I'm very much against it. Though I'm not anti gun.

I am laughing at how hard the right wingers are trying to push the shooter as far away from them as they can. And now saying he is clearly a left wing extremist. Are you kidding me? Aside from the fact that he's pro gun, pro war, anti Obama care, anti gay marriage (the list goes on) ....he shot a liberal democrat.

I was just watching something this morning about how the shooter echoed the views of David Wynn Miller.
To quote what miller said in an interview regarding this freaky kid.
The far-right activist, David Wynn Miller, said in a telephone interview that he didn’t know Loughner, but agreed with his statement in a YouTube video that “the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”

I, like probably a lot of people, have never heard of this David Wynn Miller cat until now. So here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Wynn_Miller

By the way, what's up with the crazies always referring to themselves in three names? Is it a sign of lunacy?

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Example of things being said on my other site:
yes he was a left wing socialist it looks like....and she was jewish so hes probably anti Semite...this is a left wing socialist ideology(Nazi which is the national socialist platform)...

a person who is truly right wing is not pro war, neither are they anti gay/gay marriage, etc. being to the right means a lot less govt intrusion and more freedom and truly is Liberal in its Philosophy...but more Classic Liberal....not this new Nanny State liberalism that is the destroyer of individual freedom. For example why a lot of people who are right wing are against the health care is because you are in actuality enslaving them to other men where they must work and sweat for others to consume the fruits of their labor...


Then posted this song and said it sums up his beliefs.



I think it's clear now. It doesn't matter if you are left or right wing, you can still make crap music equally. :D
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:Though I'm not anti gun.
BBABM wrote:I like shooting guns, and there are people who are safe and responsible with them.
Do you realise how bizarre statements like these sound to people outside of the USA?

The Rambo Fantasyland that is the USA is truly a disturbing thing.
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Must be the whole wild west thing.

But you've never seen a gun collection, and had the slightest interest? Like maybe in a museum? Civil war guns, etc? I think I'm really more interested in the design and mechanical aspect and how things were made and changed through the years.

I would never shoot at anything but targets and haven't since I was young. But I loved shooting my bb gun as a kid, and bigger guns at the shooting range when I got older. Now I really don't have much interest. But I can understand the attraction.

And to your earlier statement about the kid that shot the congresswoman, he wasn't diagnosed as a lune, and any criminal can acquire a gun if he looks hard enough. I'm sure there are black market guns purchased in Australia.
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i would never say that we don't have a huge gun problem here, but we are by no means the worst country for gun crime. we just make a bigger stink about it, thus making other countries think we are either blood thirsty, psychotic, violence addicts, or the biggest whiners on earth. and the sad thing is that both are true. as i do not own A gun, i would have no problem with a ban on firearms, in fact i would support it. however, americans love to quote a group of long dead rednecks, and crackpots we lovingly call the "founding fathers," and would dig up some obscure and totally irrelevant quip to apply to their pro-gun cause.

i had noticed the 3 name coincidence... if i have kids, they will not have middle names
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:“the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”
Is this a BLT transcription or a copy-n-paste? My inner editor is pace-palming right now, in either case. :lol:

And the gun thing, well, it doesn't matter what side I'm on. It (firearm possession) does seem to give the bearer an illusion of safety and security that never quite equals (or overcomes) the specter of fear and imminent danger news services pump out, 24/7.
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Rabid Garfunkel wrote:
Billy's Little Trip wrote:“the government is implying mind control and brainwash on the people by controlling grammar.”
Is this a BLT transcription or a copy-n-paste? My inner editor is pace-palming right now, in either case. :lol:
I copy and pasted it. I honestly don't know exactly what that means, but it sure sounds like a fun thing to read about. I love conspiracy theories, etc. It's always fun to hear how people can twist and sell an idea.

That quote is from a book by David Wynn Miller and the shooter followed this theory.
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Also, no more left and right wing pushing, Loughner (the nut bag) votes independent.
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^ LOL......

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Caravan Ray wrote:
Billy's Little Trip wrote:Though I'm not anti gun.
BBABM wrote:I like shooting guns, and there are people who are safe and responsible with them.
Do you realise how bizarre statements like these sound to people outside of the USA?

The Rambo Fantasyland that is the USA is truly a disturbing thing.
The first thing I'd like to point out is that someone who was clearly deranged and had intent, such as our shooter Mr. Loughner, would have had means to obtain a gun regardless of whether it was legal. I am wholly unconvinced at the argument that removing Americans' legal access to guns will put an end to violent crime. The last time congress voted to illegalize something Americans couldn't bear to part with, the crime world boomed.

Second of all, are there no hunters in Australia? Hunting is a huge sport over here in the U.S., and especially in rural areas many people kill and prepare their own meat to be more self-reliant and save money.
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They don't use guns to hunt in OZ, they use a big knoife.
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...or they just run shit over in their Subaru.
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I am not fond of guns, myself, but I do respect and understand the purpose of the second amendment. Here's a pretty good article along those lines.

The problem with guns, of course, isn't with the guns themselves, but with the lack of education around them and the lack of respect for their safety.

Also, if Loughner didn't have access to guns, there are many other ways he could have done his thing. Cars are every bit as deadly, and even easier to gain access to. (They just require a bit more commitment to follow through on their use as a weapon...)

Australia's actually a pretty good example of how gun control doesn't make much difference, if those statistics are to be believed.
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Oh come on. Why do the beat around the bush. (pun) We know the truth!

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fluffy wrote: Also, if Loughner didn't have access to guns, there are many other ways he could have done his thing. Cars are every bit as deadly, and even easier to gain access to. (They just require a bit more commitment to follow through on their use as a weapon...)
Difficult to imagine which other tool or instrument would allow someone to kill 6 people and wound 14 others in a matter of secons
fluffy wrote: Australia's actually a pretty good example of how gun control doesn't make much difference, if those statistics are to be believed.
The statistics may possibly be believed, but the interpretation is misleading to the point of dishonesty.

Example:

Look how that article summarises Robbery and Burglary Rate Histories for Australia and their "relationship to the gun buy back:
SUMMARY: The rates for both robbery and armed robbery rose faster for a couple of years after '96 than they had before, then stayed higher for several years. The burglary rate appears to have been affected only in '96, although this could easily have been a chance effect. The fall-offs for all three after '01 were too late to be attributed to the '96 gun changes. The chart looks a bit like a short-term increase in robbery may have occurred after '96 until about '04. Maybe criminals were emboldened for a few years by the thought that potential victims would not be able to defend themselves.


This is a load of nonsense. It implies that prior to 1996, Australian were sitting at home clutching their guns warding off theives. The fact is, gun ownership in Australia has ALWAYS been very low, and gun control has ALWAYS been very tight. The idea that removal of a few semi-automatic weapons from society would in any way impact upon burglary rates is ludicrous.

The article also tries to link the gun buyback to assault rates. Again this is ridiculous and dishonest. How on earth would the gun buyback impact on assault rates, when prior to the buyback - nobody was carrying guns around either?

The fact is, Australia has a relatively high rate of assault type crimes. The vast majority of these crimes are domestic in nature. The vast majority of these are also alcohol related. You will find that the same is similar in any modern western nation (though alcohol is probably more of a factor down here than other places). In Australia - most of these assaults remain assaults. In a society where guns are freely available, many of these assaults would turn into homicide.

This would probably explain why the USA has a murder rate more than 4 times that of Australia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate
And when it comes to firearm related homicide, the USA's rate is 16 times that of Australia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... death_rate
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