Nur Ein III Round Zero "Kick Start"

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Adam! wrote:
glennny wrote:By the way is there immunity granted for the judges favorite in Round Zero?
Nope. Round Zero basically exists outside of Nur Ein proper. No immunities.
It was decided* last year that Jolly Roger would carry immunity into Round 0 as a matter of tradition - like Greece carrying the flag at the beginning of the Olympic Opening Ceremony.

But "Jolly Roger" didn't actually enter this year - so I suppose that tradition is now dead...


(*OK, I'm using the word "decided" fairly loosely...)
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Adam! and I are thinking alike on this one. I was going to suggest the "everyone who submitted before the deadline is safe" idea, but he beat me to it.

So, instead I'll just have to agree with it. What's done is done, but this seems like a reasonable solution to the issue.

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My bet is that if people can't even make the deadline for Round Zero, they won't make the deadline for the next rounds. Cut them and move on.

Or just do it Puce's way. I have no control over this competition anyways. :roll:
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Okay....

I just walked in from a very very very long day. I'm kinda burnt out at the moment. Two kids, a rainy day and trip all over New Jersey using various form of train can be quite tiring. I know the jury is waiting for an official word on 0.5 and it's official. I trust the jury's decision.

I know there's a lot of discussion of over this new round and I have my reasons for voting for. And if you wanna talk to me about it, feel free to PM me. But I just wanna assure everyone that the rules will stay rigid throughout the rest of the Nur Ein. We futzed around in round zero seeing as it's the unofficial round. When it comes to the big show, we stay on course.
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glennny wrote:Jim Tyrrell- What the Hell? I guess this isn’t bad, but I like your normal vibe and style much more than this. Why? Why? Why?
Good question. I asked myself the same thing more than once. But not many times more, since I intended to make the deadline. Here's what I came up with:

1) I knew that this was the 'safest' round. I guessed (correctly) that there would be 25 or fewer entries.
2) It was the best idea I had. And given the quick turnaround on these things, I've decided I'm going to take my best idea and try to realize it as well as time permits. If I'm voted out, at least I'll be able to say it wasn't for a lack of effort or honesty.

That's pretty much how I justified submitting a rap song for round zero. And I guess I can't say it won't happen again. I can tell you that I'm pretty pleased wih the result, although more time would have allowed the re-taking of some parts and maybe a better mix.
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Ah, but Jim, surprise is the fun of it all. Thanks. Wasn't expecting that. :)
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jimtyrrell wrote:
glennny wrote:Jim Tyrrell- What the Hell? I guess this isn’t bad, but I like your normal vibe and style much more than this. Why? Why? Why?
Good question. I asked myself the same thing more than once. But not many times more, since I intended to make the deadline. Here's what I came up with:

1) I knew that this was the 'safest' round. I guessed (correctly) that there would be 25 or fewer entries.
2) It was the best idea I had. And given the quick turnaround on these things, I've decided I'm going to take my best idea and try to realize it as well as time permits. If I'm voted out, at least I'll be able to say it wasn't for a lack of effort or honesty.

That's pretty much how I justified submitting a rap song for round zero. And I guess I can't say it won't happen again. I can tell you that I'm pretty pleased wih the result, although more time would have allowed the re-taking of some parts and maybe a better mix.
I like it, it gave me a chuckle whilst bobbin' meee noggin. Plus the intro part sounds like the background music I used in my video called Salad Weiner.
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Reïst wrote:My bet is that if people can't even make the deadline for Round Zero, they won't make the deadline for the next rounds. Cut them and move on.
That's the most enlightened thing I've every seen you post, Mr. Umlaut. My thoughts exactly.
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Embers of Autumn- For some reason this title and challenge brought out the 80’s in people. This production needs a lot of help. Disregarding the production issues, the song is not a bad 80’s soundtrack pop song.
No argument here on poor production issues--again, i got depressed when early in the process i ran into some heavy technical difficulties (which obviously still exist). I predict if the Round Zero ruling (with addition entrants) doesn't push me out of this thing, I should be getting thrown out quite early in the game.
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Spud wrote:
Reïst wrote:My bet is that if people can't even make the deadline for Round Zero, they won't make the deadline for the next rounds. Cut them and move on.
That's the most enlightened thing I've every seen you post, Mr. Umlaut. My thoughts exactly.
I've indicated that I will not be submitting and as my situation hasn't changed as I had hoped, the future remains bleak. This was before the deadline, and an extension would not have changed anything. That leaves 2 others, I think, to chime in with their intentions.
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Spud wrote:
Reïst wrote:My bet is that if people can't even make the deadline for Round Zero, they won't make the deadline for the next rounds. Cut them and move on.
That's the most enlightened thing I've every seen you post, Mr. Umlaut. My thoughts exactly.
On the other hand, if we extend a kind second chance to those that didn't get in by the deadline for round zero for what ever reason, then they don't make it on the firm ruled 1 through 8 rounds, then they know they were given a second chance by a friendly community that feels that it's all about the music.

Also, all of this shit about how one could have just entering any old pile of crap and got into round 1, it's making me ill. Listening to the other music to hear where the bar is set? Are you serious? I don't know about everyone else, but I do my thing the best I can, love it or hate it. If Front A Lot was entering, I certainly wouldn't enter a nerd rap song. If I can't make it by offering what I do, then so be it. If anything, I think it's a better plan to size up the judges and incorporate the elements into your songs that you know that they like, but that can be chancy too, because no one likes a brown noser. It's as if the contest is more important than the music. Nur Ein is most definitely one of Song Fights biggest annual contests, but at the end of the day, it's really about pushing for your personal best.

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There is nothing wrong or shameful about liking contests that are designed well. If it's only about the music for some of you, then just ignore those of us who actually like the contest part.
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I respect everyones opinion as well as likes and dislikes. It may not sound like, but I am a competitive person, and like most, I like to win too. As they say down under, let's have a groupy Image

.....well, I don't know if they really say that, but it sure sounds like something they'd say. :P
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glennny wrote: Frankie Big Face- During the intro I did my best Barry White impression and said “Aw baby take off your panties”, my wife about died, she thought it was in your recording. Anyway, this is great! I’m insanely jealous of your Bowie-esque vocals. I’m continually impressed with how well you genre hop. This is impressive!
Thank you for your nice comments. I like trying new things. There are so many interesting styles of music out there, it seems weird to try and limit oneself to just one! The tricky part is trying to make it sound like it's still "Frankie Big Face." I have to maintain my brand recognition! ;) Anyway, if this song got your wife to take off her panties, then it was all worth it.
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:I respect everyones opinion as well as likes and dislikes. It may not sound like, but I am a competitive person, and like most, I like to win too. As they say down under, let's have a groupy Image

.....well, I don't know if they really say that, but it sure sounds like something they'd say. :P
The next sidefight I'd like to see is a "Who's funnier?" fight between you and Caravan Ray. Seriously, you guys kill me. :)
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melvin wrote:
Billy's Little Trip wrote:I respect everyones opinion as well as likes and dislikes. It may not sound like, but I am a competitive person, and like most, I like to win too. As they say down under, let's have a groupy Image

.....well, I don't know if they really say that, but it sure sounds like something they'd say. :P
The next sidefight I'd like to see is a "Who's funnier?" fight between you and Caravan Ray. Seriously, you guys kill me. :)
He'd win because he has his Masters degree, which is pretty goddamn funny in itself. Because you know the only reason he stayed at Uni that long was because that's where the best parties were and it's easy to get laid. CaraVan Ray Wilder:P
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REVIEWS!

15-16 Puzzle - I realized that now that we're related now, it's hard to take my complements as anything other than familial praise ( :wink: ), but damn, these lyrics are perfect. "Underage begins with U/I guess, I should get dressed"--brilliant. It's all awesome. The song is great. I did have to look up "gorno" however.

Adam Adamant - What is that language you are singing? J/K, but man, that is one thick accent. I think this is a decent song, but it seems like you're having trouble keeping up your singing with the music. Like it's a bit fast for you.

ADD - I have a smile on my face as soon as you open your mouth. The verse and pre-chorus of this song rule--the chorus not as much. But it's still great to hear a new ADD song and knowing there are several more to come in a few short weeks makes me giddy. Cute ending.

Andrew Reist - If you were to speed this song up a bit, it would take on an 80s English punk sound (a là The Vapors), be shorter (which would be good) and the repetition would work for it instead of against it. I think it would have a bit more attitude too. It's okay as it is, but those are my gut feelings after one listen.

BLT - You're such a party animal, dude. I don't know what else to say. The performance suggests you didn't drink enough beer before pressing "record"--way too clean and proficient. I didn't get the sense for one minute that any beer was spilled on an amp or that even one person fell over. :) Also, you never said "kick start"---horrors!

Bryan Kandel - Pretty guitar playing and nicely recorded. I think you have to be careful that "story songs" like this don't go on too long without adding more to the story. This song could have used one more verse in place of the last chorus--that would have justified the length, imo. Nice performance.

Cock - Hey, I used bass drum in my song too! :) Is Bella Darvi a household name? I had to look her up to find out what was so tragic about her. I don't think that's necessarily a good thing. Although I can appreciate vague-by-design lyrics (despite not being able to actually write them), I think letting the listener in on the song a bit more would help a lot.

Embers of Autumn - This is a hard song to listen to. It's a harsh mix. Song-wise, I think the verse and chorus are too similar melody-wise. If you're going to keep the same chord progression and beat for both sections, you ought to try to sing a different melody over the chorus or enhance it with some backing vocals or a synth line or something else to set it apart from the verse. Or, instead of adding, you can take away the drums for one chorus or take away the guitar during the verses and just leave the bass and drums--there are lots of possibilities.

Glenn and Rachael - Cute song. Chords over a pedal tone always remind me of the 80s. I like the sound of Rachael's voice on this recording a lot. And Glenn's, in the verse especially. I have some minor quibbles with the lyrics--some are just too silly ("my shorts turn purple") and others awkward to sing ("you're a true Taurus") but those criticisms have more to do with me than you or the song. A fun first effort. Can't wait for more.
Hoblit - I love the intro and verse. Especially the way your voice sounds. Great riff, too. The chorus is not as appealing to me. I appreciate the lyrics--their pretty cool. Good song, dude.

Jim Tyrell - At first, I thought this was a cute goof to just get you in the game because you didn't have an idea for the title. Turns out this is so much more. I don't know if lack of inspiration is actually what led you here or if this was your plan all along, but damn man, you made it happen. It's not a song I'm going to listen to often (ever?), but it's pretty clever.

JBB - WHY IS YOUR SYNTH SO LOUD AT THE BEGINNING? I agree with others about the jarring difference between those opening notes and what follows. This seems like an Abjure! song, subject matter-wise. Not to my taste exactly, but I do like the last little bit. I wish you had made the other parts shorter and taken that last bit and built it up like a madman with all your vocal tricks and talents.

King Arthur - Musically, not my cup of tea, but those are some excellent lyrics. Your recording sounds good too. And the performance. I guess what I'm saying is tt's all good! :)

MC Eric B - So you're not a rapper? I'm confused.

Octothorpe - I like the spoken part in the middle--it's cute and funny. The bass sounds out of tune with the organ to me--is it my imagination? Is that Spud singing or Mad Dog? (I'm assuming Spud.) I have so many questions.

Paco del Stinko - Lots of praise already heaped on your lyrics. I think the idea is good, but the lyrics could actually be better. A song like this needs an even more over-the-top performance/arrangement (a là Frank Zappa). I think you were leaning in that direction, but didn't take the full plunge. (Maybe with more time?) All the elements are there--just looking for an even more outrageous presentation. Still, a very clever idea.

Ross Durand - Go for the wine. That's a good price. This is just great. I don't have more to say than that. Smart lyrics, man.

Sausage Boy - I like the music - weird, like The Residents or something. However, the vocal delivery is a problem and let's the music down. At this tempo, there aren't really enough words to deliver them over the course of one verse. Line - music - line - music - line - music, etc. seems to take too long. Maybe it would have been better to deliver two lines in the space of one. I don't know--I'm just brainstorming a bit.

Starfinger - I'm always fascinated by your songs and this is no exception. I don't always like them (although I do like this one), but the arrangements and sonic palettes are always so interesting. They're a feast for the ears, really! I think this is an outstanding vocal performance. The whole song is weird in all the right places and ways. Fun and intriguing.

Tex Beaumont - As I said earlier, the lyrics to this song are very clever and you found a great angle for the title/challenge. The song itself is a letdown compared to the lyrics in my opinion. Not bad, just not as inspired.

Worldly Self Assurance - The banjo is really nice. In fact, the whole arrangement is a beautiful and complex arrangement of timbres. Just beautiful. Reminds me of the talented Carol Cleveland Sings. Great chorus. The harmony on "the likes of Wesley Snipes" is sweet. This reminds me of something Fountains of Wayne would write. Very nice.

Late entries:
Sven Mullet - Made me laugh the first time I heard it. So that's something.

Lord of Oats - That's one long intro. Not a very singable synth line during the verse and trying to sing along with it kind of accentuates the difficulty you're having. I'm not really digging this song too much. It's like when the urban public school history teacher wants to "connect" with his 5th graders and turns the lesson into a song. Everyone loses. Glad you're out of the hospital, though.
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Ken - Nice-sounding recording, but I'm not enjoying the song too much. You know Neil Patrick Harris is gay, right? (I don't really have a point.)

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frankie big face wrote: BLT - The performance suggests you didn't drink enough beer before pressing "record"--way too clean and proficient.
Crap! You noticed that too? There is no room for sobriety in rock-n-roll, it causes me to try to enunciate. But you may have noticed that I was hammered during the mix, lol. I left the accent guitar out of the second half of the third verse. I "somehow" set the fader to pull down right there. I set the wrong track, but the even funnier part is that I can't remember which track I was actually trying to set the fader to come down on. Ha, it's like the left sock mystery.
By the way, I did send the "repaired" copy in before the deadline, but much to my avail, the drunk mix is still up. I guess Niv would rather choose to please the crack heads who don't read and/or follow the rules. :P Of course I jest, Nivster. You're doing a smashing good job, Sir, as well as the others involved.
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glennny wrote: Ross Durand- How close are you to the George W Bush album? This along with Man Date, you’re well on your way. I bet there’s a bunch more.
These aren't all necessarily directly about Bush, but two are about our current over-seas activities. I think this is what I have so far.

Man Date
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Ten Lies
Get Along (from my AAW/WTF)
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Don’t lie to me (from a skirmish)
Kick Start


And a note to our Canadian Friend in the judging panel - not that it matters too much since I am in the original group of 22, but in case you are unaware of the references in my song. Each tax payer is receiving a check for 600 dollars this year as a tax rebate, with the hope that we will go spend it, thereby increasing commercial business, job supply, and hold off the impending recession.

Hey Chris, tax day was April 15 - no more beer for you :-)

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Ross wrote:And a note to our Canadian Friend in the judging panel - not that it matters too much since I am in the original group of 22, but in case you are unaware of the references in my song. Each tax payer is receiving a check for 600 dollars this year as a tax rebate, with the hope that we will go spend it, thereby increasing commercial business, job supply, and hold off the impending recession.
The amount you get does depend on your income level. If you make over a certain amount, you get less or nothing, based on a formula.
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jb wrote:
Ross wrote:And a note to our Canadian Friend in the judging panel - not that it matters too much since I am in the original group of 22, but in case you are unaware of the references in my song. Each tax payer is receiving a check for 600 dollars this year as a tax rebate, with the hope that we will go spend it, thereby increasing commercial business, job supply, and hold off the impending recession.
The amount you get does depend on your income level. If you make over a certain amount, you get less or nothing, based on a formula.
Yes, of course. My family could get up to 2400, (we have two kids) but we're gonna get 16 and change - I was just trying to sum up the song concept :-)
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