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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by Billy's Little Trip » Tue May 15, 2012 11:14 pm

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Hey cutie poops, it's your shenanigans with all the crazy shit on the walls. I just enjoyed the mozzarella sticks and playing my stringy wooden thingies all over it. i think the song came out super.



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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by j$ » Wed May 16, 2012 2:44 am

First up, these were all *good* songs. I’m not surprised, but I am pleased.

AA – Not bad rappin’ at all! But you make the absolute cardinal sin of writing a song about writing a song. I really find it hard to take it seriously when you mention “songfight”. The chorus (thanks for bringing in the BVs earlier this time) just isn’t that strong. “supernaturalist” is genius, maybe not in the way you imagine. “Lyrically we are the greatest”? *ugh*. You know, I usually pretend not to like rap when reviewing because it’s easier than getting into a fight with some nerdcore stude who has read some books and thinks he’s smart– well, truth time I really *ADORE* a lot of rap – if it’s not lyrically boring. ‘Cos what else is there to concentrate on? With this in mind - I *love* the overall impression of this song, it’s just when I concentrate on it, I “see the holes”. However the overall impression is important when hearing a song once or twice, so I will consider that when ranking.

ADD – heh. I like the lyric, develops out into a cute place. Well a dark one, actually, but you know what I mean, hopefully. Did I miss who our collab was with? Ah, Mr Case! Of course. I don’t have much else to say, other than that I enjoyed this despite it missing a huge sung chorus. I am selfish enough to expect that. Musically pretty slight though, and doesn’t have the killer lyrical punchline that would carry the song through its vague sense of throwaway.

Chocolate Chips – This is a great tune. Really, I have voted / props’ed you up enough times to know you have a great ear for a melody. And I have no problem with effected vox (anything that makes the song sound better – as I know to my own cost). Too sudden an ending spoils it a tiny bit for me - otherwise happy.

Chris C – Lovely Bvs in the chorus and in the bridge. Good rocky pop-rock sound. Cutesy lyrical idea that doesn’t develop much for my tastes. I like the “pug” line. And the resolution, as well!

Den – Oh that’s oddly trippy - I like! Pretty catchy too. I am not sure whether me not having much else to say is a good or bad thing. Probably a bit of both. It’s a little safe to fall back on your regular collaborator for the challenge, though since it meets the stipulation just fine, that’s just a personal aside. Second listen – this is so on a different plane (not better, not worse) than the other songs, it’s very hard to figure out where to place it. I definitely like the spacey, creepy verses and bridge more than the fine but “heard it in the 90s” choruses ... ack.

FBF – Any song that rhymes “Irish Catholic” and “Over-reacted” needs to do nothing else to be a winner in my book. Pretty tight rhythm section, too. I jump around! Harmonies are sweet too, and the arrangement stops this just being a*n*other pop-punk song – at the start I was thinking, oh dear, here comes a beautifully done but standard Wheatus song. How rude of me to ever second-guess you - distinctly you, defiantly fun. (I have to say, I can’t hear references to “The Crying Game” without thinking of *that* scene in Naked Gun 33 1/3, but I digress). I fear that as I love this, Cashpoint’s Law (“If I like it, you’re fucked”) suggests that the rest of the team will give you an unfair kicking  I have no problem with the mix, gives it a suitably retro feel, perhaps it could fill the speakers a bit more.

GJ – There are too many songs here – or rather there’s three or four songs here I really like and I kind of want to concentrate on one of them. The first minute or so, I am all over this but the “joins”, while not at all jagged, are different enough tonally that it might have been nice to give the subconscious some forewarning through foreshadowing. I really like the second song, and it feels like we could have just had that. The lyric passes me by. Animals. Carnivores. You're a far better lyricist than the rather creepy home invasion motif running through your songs recently.

GCC – You may not know how much I despise country. A few rhythmic stumbles here and there, but it’s charming. Even if it appears to be far too meta- for my tastes. Maybe I am reading too much into it.

JE – I am not sure about this one. I like the jazzy piano, which should be mixed louder to ease this listener away from a few distracting bum notes / performance choices. Nice verbiage makes it sound like it should mean more lyrically than I take from it. Yeah, main problem, vocals mixed too loud, for any. It’s drowning out the piano and especially the bass, at least on these speakers. A rather off-hand attitude to the guest slot too, vocally. I am not sure ...

MG – One thing’s for sure – I am not a fan of the (admittedly well played) lead guitar tone. It’s a catchy melody though. Well in the verses especially, and it’s not bad in the chorus, though the arrangement makes it a bit sludgy / heavy for its own good, imo. “he leaves no rose” and “wouldn't it be nice to take a hold of your own keys?” feel a bit klutzy. Felt like a natural end was 3.20 to these ears. (maybe with the actual end tagged on). Bleh.

Merisan – very pretty. Strong lyric. Maybe there isn’t enough variation between verses and choruses but I am not as moved as I know I should be. That’s more of a comment on me than it is on the song.

OC – Oh blimey! Are the drums too loud in the mix? They seem a little overpowering. I don’t think I can comment on the lyric, seeing as the artwork this time out shares the same shallow predilections :) I like the parasite voice, although it does seem endemic of trying too hard to prove “wackiness” rather than letting the cleverness of the rhymes stand or fall on their own merits. But hey, it gets the point across I suppose.

RD – Great opening! Voice is sounding a bit shattered. Oh more wonderful descending trumpetin’! It’s kind of like R’n’B (as was) band playing something from “Muswell Hillbillies”. And then it goes all musical played by a Mariachi band. The little sexy electric guitar that pops up for about 10 seconds is icing on the cake. I feel a bit churlish harpin’ on about the voice as this is the most wonderfully bonkers music I have heard from you in ages. I love it.

Wreckdom – Wakka wakka. This is a good jam funky thang but it doesn’t really go anywhere. It is at the end what it started as. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. It just isn’t immediate, to these ears. It’s fun, but not particularly funny, again immediately.

WSA – Nothing new here. It may appear, no whatever you do, I have a permanent anti-hard-on for WSA, which isn’t true. If I was watching this live in a pub or bar somewhere I’d be up for the cup, especially when the bass does some interesting chordal contrast thing against the guitars. Clearly it is done very well; it’s just not from my musical taste-set. Which makes it hard to rate. Ack.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by adamadamant » Wed May 16, 2012 3:42 am

j$ wrote: AA – Not bad rappin’ at all! But you make the absolute cardinal sin of writing a song about writing a song. I really find it hard to take it seriously when you mention “songfight”. The chorus (thanks for bringing in the BVs earlier this time) just isn’t that strong. “supernaturalist” is genius, maybe not in the way you imagine. “Lyrically we are the greatest”? *ugh*. You know, I usually pretend not to like rap when reviewing because it’s easier than getting into a fight with some nerdcore stude who has read some books and thinks he’s smart– well, truth time I really *ADORE* a lot of rap – if it’s not lyrically boring. ‘Cos what else is there to concentrate on? With this in mind - I *love* the overall impression of this song, it’s just when I concentrate on it, I “see the holes”. However the overall impression is important when hearing a song once or twice, so I will consider that when ranking.
Thanks for an honest and insightful review. I agree that the lyrics are fairly shallow. I let myself do the whole song about the song thing for two reasons. First, a lot of rap music does this, more than other genres it often tends to be about shouting out for the crew or the rappers or whatever and the story behind the song. Second I wanted to let the judges know who the collaborators were, I thought this was a creative way to do it. I don't think it was entirely successful in that though.

I have to say I agree with you though, the lyrics are fairly empty of meaning. I was concentrating heavily on the rhythm and flow when writing and I kind of sacrificed some more interesting lyrics to fit that. I also wrote it all in a rush :) But, no excuses, just happy you didn't say "I hate rap" :)

Also kind of curious, what's genius about supernaturalist?
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by j$ » Wed May 16, 2012 4:41 am

The way you say it, and the way it is wonderfully appropriate / inappropriate for what's going on around it. And just the word itself.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by nyjm » Wed May 16, 2012 7:05 am

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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by nyjm » Wed May 16, 2012 7:11 am

Whoa! This is hands-down one of the strongest rounds of songs I've seen in any competition anywhere.

FYI: an edge is definitely given to those who post their lyrics

Reviews in somewhat random order:

Jon Eric
--- overly busy drums ---
+++ lyrics +++
--- vocal FX at end of verse and in the bridge ---
/// i would cut most of the choruses in half for concision ///

Genevieve Johnson and The Chiefs
+++ creative mash up fun +++
/// the gear shift from hip-hop to heavy metal is pretty cool, but wants for some symmetry instead of the shift to the outro ///
---- MCEricB sample is painful and you repeat it over and over and over and over and ... ---

Manhattan Glutton
+++ RAWK +++
+++ symmetry of the point of view in the chorus +++
/// this is so clearly an MG song, I'm left wondering just what Sausage contributed... *digs through the forum*: guitars. okay. ///

Frankie Big Face
+++ Channeling Matthew Sweet grunge +++
+++ both catchy and witty +++
/// don't know about that that direct reference to The Crying Game; I got the joke without it +++
+++ on the other hand, I love the "We're not built the same" melody +++

Oyster Catcher
+++ sin boldly: this is a delightfully over-the-top mess +++
--- samples ---
/// I'd love to hear some horns to this ///

Gooey Caramel Centaur
+++ backwoods country fun +++
+++ Meta Win: subtle nod to the Nur Ein competition +++
--- messy percussion ---
/// looking at just the lyrics, I would not have thought to make this a duet ///
+++ but the combination with RG's vocals brings a unique timbre to this +++

Merisan
+++ if this isn't on the soundtrack of a Quentin Tarantino film, it should be +++
+++ atmospherics, from xylophone to that chunky guitar to the slide; wonderful touches all over the place +++
+++ stereo separation +++
/// this is either about demonic possession or Alzheimer's ///
+++ i like the ambiguous possibilities of that juxtaposition +++
/// i really, really want to know how to get that kind of acoustic guitar tone ///

The Worldly Self Assurance featuring Glenn Case
+++ opening ambiance +++
+++ gear changes +++
--- verse melody doesn't hold my attention; did you steal some DJRD lyrics? ---
+++ chorus +++
/// though I would like some low-end pad to round out the sound ///

Chris Cogott with the Boffo Yux Dudes
+++ Cogott Pop Rock [tm] +++
+++ bop bop bop bop bah +++
/// this is funny and cute, but not terribly so ///

DJ Ranger Den
+++ stories and reversals +++
+++ "sleep will not win when your shadow comes calling" +++
+++ Denni employs her Billy and the Psychotics signature snarl +++
/// this follows the B&tP template: Verse - Chorus - Verse - Chorus - Bridge - Chorus; I was hoping for a more unconventional DJRD structure with Billy's guitar stylings ///

WreckdoM
+++ FUNK! +++
/// a strangely-straightforward take on the title ///

Ross Durand
--- jazz dissonance in a non-jazz song ---
+++ story +++
+++ SOLO +++
/// ^That^ is the rocking tone and harmonies I really want from this ///

The Chocolate Chips
+++ best chorus of the fight +++
+++ this song is going to be stuck in my head for days +++
/// in contrast to the great chorus, this doesn't start out too strongly; the singing is pitchy and the lyrics are really on the nose ///

ADD
+++ rapping; this is awesome prosody +++
--- hrm... doesn't really work for "unexpected" as much "uninvited" ---
--- salesman's vox are too hot ---
+++ story! +++
--- ... is too short! ---

Adam Adamant
+++ groove +++
+++ chorus +++
--- Verse - chorus - verse - chorus ... and no development ---
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by BoffoYux » Wed May 16, 2012 8:49 am

Alvis wrote:
Caravan Ray wrote:Once all this nonsense is over - a Boffo Yux Caravan may be fun too.
You're on, my friend!
I second that emotion. That'll be a fun ride.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by Generic » Wed May 16, 2012 8:50 am

I'm not going to lie: my consistently low marks this contest have bruised my ego. What's especially frustrating to me is that I feel as though I've been working harder than ever, and that I genuinely thought I was creating some of the best music I've ever made. So what's the problem here? Am I getting worse? Am I losing my ability to tell a good sound from a bad sound? A good idea from a bad one?

The reason I came to Song Fight was to find a sounding board for my works-in-progress, sort of a weekly workshop. The reason I stayed was because I found a lot of music on the site that I genuinely enjoyed - music that genuinely moved me, and didn't feel like an assignment to listen to. I'm sure a lot of us feel the same way, which is why artists like Frankie and JB consistently get great reviews and lots of votes. I've aspired for most of my life to make music and be well-known for it. I realized a few years back that what this means is that it is not enough to put an idea on paper and craft it until it's flawless. What it means is that I'm trying to move people with my music. I'm trying to get people to have a real connection, a real emotional feeling, a real joy, a real something when they hear my songs. When my song comes up, the last thing I want is for people to want to turn it off, or be bored by it.

And yet, that's what happened. Consistently. Four out of five judges this round had me in the bottom two. That hurts me, but it's not their fault; they're just being honest. They are expressing the simple and impersonal truth that when my song came up, they would rather have switched to almost any other entry. So clearly whatever I'm doing, it's not working.

Ever since I first started listening in 2003, I've thought that there were two kinds of Songfighters: the kind whose music you enjoy and seek out, and the kind that you put up with and offer constructive criticism because that's what it means to be a contributing member of the community. I was the latter kind for a long time. I aspire to be the former, and for a little while I thought I was close. Now it's clear to me that I'm not.

After the results came in last night, I spent an inordinate amount of time deep in thought, and I came to a conclusion.

I'm going to take a break from Song Fight for a while. I'll probably be back, but I don't know when. I think it will be beneficial to be away from the same voices, the same tastes that have been my music's only litmus test for nearly a decade. I think it will be helpful for me to try to make more music away from the constraints of title requirements and deadlines. And I think it'll be better for me to try to find an audience whose taste is less disparate from my own.

I'm afraid there's no way I can do this without coming across as a poor sport, but I do want to try to mitigate that as much as possible. That's why this post is so long. The last thing I'd want would be to give you all the impression that I somehow begrudge BGM, Frankie, Ross, or Denise their success so far. Quite the contrary; I wish you all the best. Congratulations to Denise, and to everyone who's won rounds or gotten high scores so far. Nor do I wish to "blame" the judges, who are simply being honest and impartial. It's not their fault that they unanimously dislike my work.

I guess I just spent a little too long thinking I could play with the big kids, and that's not really the case, is it?
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by BoffoYux » Wed May 16, 2012 8:57 am

RangerDenni wrote:
frankie big face wrote:DAAAAAAAMMMMMIIIIIIIITTTTTTT!

Good job, DJ Ranger Den. No longer the underdog. :mrgreen:
wow. this is a Terribly Impressive Surprise.
Overdue. Congrats on a well played round! Good tune in a very competitive field.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by Jefff » Wed May 16, 2012 8:58 am

nyjm wrote:--- hrm... doesn't really work for "unexpected" as much "uninvited" ---
Totally and respectfully disagree. You could argue that for the salesman, but certainly nobody expects the song to end with demons descending from the sky. In fact, my opinion is that they're a little too unexpected. Also, did we already find out what your listening setup is? Because Glenn's vox were double-tracked in stereo and mine were a single track, I had some trouble finding a balance for them. And depending on whether I was listening with headphones or on monitors, it was drastically different. In my shitty earbuds here at work, it sounds fine, but I'm curious.

I figure I should respond more often to all the reviews I don't have issues with, so I don't come off as (strictly) a complainer.

Everybody's right about the length and the throw-away quality of the song. In an ideal world, there would be an extra verse that helps set up the evil nature of the encyclopedia set. It also would be fun and awesome to take the production a little further and do some build-ups and twists and turns. Circumstances dictated I keep it short because Glenn was already making verses for me during his lunch break from work (seriously, that's how that guy rolls) and I spent an inordinate amount of time learning how to use the Turntablist VST effect.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by Geoff WreckdoM » Wed May 16, 2012 9:08 am

Rabid Garfunkel wrote:Yow. Sorry GCC & WreckdoM, that my contributions may've had some ill effect. :(
Nothing could be farther from the truth. Thanks for your awesome scratching track, I really dug the hell out of it. The failure this round is squarely on my shoulders and I've had a hard time not beating myself up over it since Sunday night, when we rather unceremoniously shrugged and pushed "send" on what we had. I tried multiple takes to breath some life into my already not so inspired lyrics, and with each try I just grew more frustrated, also we didn't have the full 5 nights to work on it either, otherwise we likely would've scrapped and started over. The music was great too, it really was just me, that guy with his canned "yo's" has more creativity and energy than I did. I think real life related stress also played a factor. Oh well. Next year, maybe.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by Jefff » Wed May 16, 2012 9:16 am

Generic wrote:Nor do I wish to "blame" the judges, who are simply being honest and impartial. It's not their fault that they unanimously dislike my work.

I guess I just spent a little too long thinking I could play with the big kids, and that's not really the case, is it?
Dude, you need to remind yourself over and over that Nur Ein ratings are based on the opinions of 5 people. Lunkhead put it pretty well too when he pointed out Song Fight also skews more towards idiosyncratic tastes, so the judges' consensus can get pretty wacky. Also, nobody's impartial whether they pretend to it or not. Again, whatever, that's the game.

I think your impulse to get away is correct as far as I think it's not exactly healthy to try and please the same 5 critics for several weeks in row without a break. Other people's opinions are valuable, but you ought to be pleasing yourself first and foremost. On the other hand, after a couple days to sit with this, you'll probably feel comfortable returning to Song Fight itself, which is much better at providing that potent brew of conflicting feedback.
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Post by EvelBist » Wed May 16, 2012 9:18 am

Generic wrote:Nor do I wish to "blame" the judges, who are simply being honest and impartial. It's not their fault that they unanimously dislike my work.
I'm new here but I am genuinely moved by your reaction. I personally dont want to see you go on hiatus. Why? Because you have a LOT to contribute here. If you're only in it for affirmation, then go. But I don't think you are that shallow down deep. IMO you care about the music you make, so by sticking around you WILL absorb what it is to make it even better. You won't get there by seeking some kind of alpha where everyone thinks like you do, because that little universe is not reality.

What we have here is not reality either, it is loaded with opinionated jerks who have grudges, and viewpoints and tastes that are not palatable to everyone. However, why go somewhere else loaded with milquetoasts and softies who will only tell you what you want to hear? I think you have a thick skin, but you are frustrated by what you perceive as the misunderstanding of your music. Dude, do you like everything - rap, country, soul, blues, R&R, bach, ambient and so on equally?

Don't give up on this motley crew just yet, stick around and bend with it a bit. Illegitimi non carborundum my friend.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by BoffoYux » Wed May 16, 2012 9:28 am

Generic wrote:I'm not going to lie: my consistently low marks this contest have bruised my ego.
After the results came in last night, I spent an inordinate amount of time deep in thought, and I came to a conclusion.

I'm going to take a break from Song Fight for a while.

I'm afraid there's no way I can do this without coming across as a poor sport, but I do want to try to mitigate that as much as possible. I wish you all the best. I guess I just spent a little too long thinking I could play with the big kids, and that's not really the case, is it?
I can sympathize with your thought process. Last year I felt we pretty much got beat up in the boards. I assumed that was the way it was - no matter what we did, it wasn't clicking with the judges. We've been involved with a few other songwriting contests (Masters of Song Fu and SpinTunes among others), but never had the sense of 'WTF?' we got from NurEin. It's a unique situation. Then we realized - it's a no win scenario. You can't appeal to the judges specifically BECAUSE they're so different. You can only do your own thing, and take some grain of knowledge from the people who's work you respect as contemporaries.

This is not the place for validation for your work. This is the crucible where all the flaws are pulled out and shown to the world. That's a good thing when the ego is ready for it. When you're confident in what you do for your work, and you're looking for critique. When you're not ready for the left field comments you didn't even see on the horizon, it can be quite humbling. So I can understand wanting to take a break from it for a bit for introspection.

However, don't stay away for long. I liked what you were trying to do - the songs were at times 'ambitious failures'. You tried to do too much in one song, and it moved your focus. It was almost like you were bored with the standard challenge and wanted extra credit for doing a song with a hand tied behind your back. I remember your SpinTunes song (North Dakota) that was almost 10 minutes long in 5 segments. I thought - 'What the hell is this?' but I listened. You managed to hook me to listen to the whole song for several plays. Not many people can do that in this 3:05 mentality we have.

So go back - think a bit, but don't dwell on it. Get validation elsewhere. But I have to admit, while it's a pain in the ass here some days, the people here are good, and I'm still gleaning bits of wisdom in between the venom like barbs.

I hope to see you over for ST5 in June. We'll be kicking your ass over there.

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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by BoffoYux » Wed May 16, 2012 9:36 am

adamadamant wrote:Wow, that bad huh?
It's been great guys. See you next year :)
I didn't think it was bad. I think this was a very strong round, and it just didn't click this time with the 5 judges.
Well played this year.
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Post by BoffoYux » Wed May 16, 2012 9:42 am

supremeedible wrote:Shot, Ranger!

Well, this is where I bow out. It's been cool rubbing shoulders with well established songfighters and learning to love some newer ones. I may be back.
I hope you are back. Some of those songs made me smile. Others had me pull what's left of my follicles out. Either case, you got a reaction, and that's a good thing. Great band name as well.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by roymond » Wed May 16, 2012 9:54 am

I won't have terribly insightful reviews this round. I've been in bed most of the week. Gave me time to listen but little strength to write. I graded on lyrics, guests, and performance. Then tweaked things according to overall effect. It was more "scientific" than past rounds only in that these four parameters were consistently guiding the process. I will say that no one was red this week. Either it came together and got the green or there were things that did/didn't happen which kept it yellow. The challenge turned in some pretty exciting collaborations. Others less so, but I'd say (your) pain was worth it.

I do have a couple things about a couple entries, however.

DJ Ranger - this was the easy way out. And yet, it has its own sound.

Chocolate Chips - Guest guitars and (guessing) drums, bring a new dynamic to your music. Very welcome and very complimentary. Not big on the screechy sudden ending, though, which almost sank you.

Oyster Catcher - "I'm flat when I'm around" made the rest of your lyric acceptable.

Genevieve - This is either epic. Or confused.

Jon Eric - The two lines after the second chorus...THAT'S YOUR VOICE. SING LIKE THAT.

Adam Adamant - Self referential rap lyrics don't help anything. Ever. This could have been something else. Not interested in the annoying bug samples. Just didn't have anything to lift above.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by bgm » Wed May 16, 2012 10:12 am

Generic wrote:Am I getting worse? Am I losing my ability to tell a good sound from a bad sound? A good idea from a bad one?
NO. YOU ARE NOT.
You are way overthinking this. It's a website with songs on it.
Generic wrote:I'm going to take a break from Song Fight for a while. I'll probably be back, but I don't know when. I think it will be beneficial to be away from the same voices, the same tastes that have been my music's only litmus test for nearly a decade. I think it will be helpful for me to try to make more music away from the constraints of title requirements and deadlines. And I think it'll be better for me to try to find an audience whose taste is less disparate from my own.
Although I will be sad to see you go and I don't think you need to "leave," it may be wise to get some perspective. I don't think it's necessarily healthy to put all your musical energy into one place. I've been here a fraction of the time you have, but I know that the stuff I do here is of a different mindset than my other songs...sometimes things work and sometimes they don't, and I approach it with an attitude of "can I do this challenge;" it's a fun game. But surely your criteria for rating your own musical ability isn't based on wether or not you can write a song in a few days from a random prompt on a website? I'd wager that you have lots of other ideas going on, songs that were inspired by things in your life, or songs that you sit on for a year or more until they are ready to come out. Songs that you work on and trash, work on some more, give up on and then come back to when you find the perfect solution. Maybe focus on those for a while.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by roymond » Wed May 16, 2012 10:26 am

I believe songwriting challenges can help you write better songs. But they're not these songs. These are the exercises, the homework, the tests.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by Manhattan Glutton » Wed May 16, 2012 10:46 am

Jefff wrote:skews more towards idiosyncratic tastes
Well, that's the nice way of saying it.
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by HeuristicsInc » Wed May 16, 2012 10:55 am

bummer, i was on the list but nobody asked me to collaborate. although if you heard my nur ein songs, maybe that's why you didn't ask :)
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Re: Nur Ein VII: Round Three

Post by Jefff » Wed May 16, 2012 11:05 am

roymond wrote:I believe songwriting challenges can help you write better songs. But they're not these songs. These are the exercises, the homework, the tests.
Well, great. We all accidentally enrolled in Song College.
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