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I've been listening to the submissions at work a lot this week. There are some awesome gems, but I really don't know if I'll have the time to do reviews properly. Conversely, thank you very much to everyone that reviewed so far.
Ross wrote:Ford’s theater - Pretty rockin’! some of the drum compression is a little distracting. Interesting lyrical (conceptual) approach. Sometimes you have melodic ideas you don’t seem to cover in your changes. nice double time.
What does that mean "cover in your changes"? The transitions from verse to chorus and/or to bridge?

And thanks for the lyric complement. I tend towards the esoteric because I'm a Beaudelaire and Beckett fan, so it's nice to have people "get it."

Listening myself, I agree with the need for a more hooky chorus. Just in general, I'm going to redo the overdriven guitar to have it run a 5th harmony running up the fret. And I think I'll tweak the left-panned clean guit to have some high accents during the chorus, giving it a more backbeat feel on the second half. (So, thrum, thrum, thrum, thrum, thrum, thrum, thrum, thrum, and TWO and FOUR anda TWO anda FOUR.) Oh, and for the vox I need to punch the end of the chorus. Instead of "Where you ought to be-e-e-e," just stop: "Where you ought to be!" In general, more growling, less warbling.

Drums are a killer to get right and for grungy guitar rock. I wouldn't think so, but you learn something everyday. I think in general, I need to meddle with my master compression and reverb. Just to make it as loud as possible, I usually run a Full Compression (default setting from Kristal) and then a Master Mix touch of reverb from GlaceVerb. This tune, I used the Rock Factory GlaceVerb setting for the drums, too. Seemed appropriate.
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Ross wrote:Reist - Sounds pretty good. Did you get an eBow? What’s that sound? Catchy but gets a bit monotonous.
Haha, no it's not an ebow. Just a chorus-ey effect on my multifx pedal. The other guitars are done with no fx at all, and the guitar solo is done with my new Line 6 Uber Metal Pedal. I'm loving that thing - just you wait until I bust out some rock, it's going to be intense. :)
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Ross wrote:Reist - Sounds pretty good. Did you get an eBow? What’s that sound? Catchy but gets a bit monotonous.
Haha, no it's not an ebow. Just a chorus-ey effect on my multifx pedal. The other guitars are done with no fx at all, and the guitar solo is done with my new Line 6 Uber Metal Pedal. I'm loving that thing - just you wait until I bust out some rock, it's going to be intense. :)
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Voting for Reist and Who Fly for sure. Thinking kind of hard about voting for Humboat and Jonathan Mann. Full reviews later.
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Teplin wrote: You recommended "Outliers" by Malcolm Gladwell... less than two weeks ago I finished "The Tipping Point" by the same author.
"Blink" is also very good.
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Ross wrote:Adam adamant - Interesting textures. There is an almost Kid- A thing to this that I really like a lot. Excellent job. I wish the vocal production fed the backing tracks more - that would have kicked it up a notch. Good+
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it. What do you mean about the vocals? I'm afraid my music production terminology knowledge is not great.
Well, I don't think I used any music production terminology. What I think I meant was that the vocals sound a little detached in energy and intensity from the backing tracks. If they felt more integrated I think the song overall would been more effective.
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Ross wrote:Ford’s theater - Pretty rockin’! some of the drum compression is a little distracting. Interesting lyrical (conceptual) approach. Sometimes you have melodic ideas you don’t seem to cover in your changes. nice double time.
What does that mean "cover in your changes"? The transitions from verse to chorus and/or to bridge?
What I mean is that there are spots where the notes you sing are not part of the chords you're playing for long enough that it sounds like a mismatch, rather than passing tones or something. I'm listening to see if I can find an example -the "come on your knees" piece is like this. Even the "be" in the where you ought to be part has this sound - like the note you want in the tune and the chord you chose don't match.

I hope that helps.
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Ross wrote:What I mean is that there are spots where the notes you sing are not part of the chords you're playing for long enough that it sounds like a mismatch, rather than passing tones or something. I'm listening to see if I can find an example -the "come on your knees" piece is like this. Even the "be" in the where you ought to be part has this sound - like the note you want in the tune and the chord you chose don't match.
So, basically, the singing is a little out of key, or more precisely it passes in and out of key? That sounds like my singing.
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Well, sure your singing can be out of key, but that's not what he was saying. He said your melody doesn't fit the chords, not that it doesn't fit the key.

Here, try this. Say you're in C major, and you're on the IV, which is an F maj. Sing a B (which is in the key) over that and see if you like what happens. It's not necessarily a horrifying sound, but it does, at the very least, create some tension...now do you want constant tension? Eh, probably not.

Now that I listen to your song...he's pretty much right. You're singing random-ass pitches that are from the same scale, but that have nothing to do with the chords at hand. Also in the verses, you seem to be singing a lot of tonic...which is working better than the dartboard approach to melody.
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Abominominous - On first listen, things sounded kind of muddy but apparently my ears just needed to adjust to it, because all the noise is really great. Its also kind of generic but I listened to Coal Chamber the other day, so I might be burnt out on the production style. The vocals feel like they need to be surrounded by a cleaner metal and less alt-metal or whatever.

Adam Adamant - Ominous. Awyeah, that is pretty rad. And the vocals start and this feels kind of nice and its all very nice. Entirely too nice. But the beginning got me jazzed for it, thats something, I guess.

Andrew Reist - What IS that? It almost sounds like it should be annoying but its not. Is that some sort of synth? A guitar? This is a pretty fun little song that I'm missing out on trying to figure out what that is. It sounds different than all the other songs that sound like this. Its probably that thing that I can't identify. So, yeah, cool song, cool thing I can't identify. I almost feel guilty for not really being that into it.

Berkeley Social Scene - I really dug the instrumentals of this song and wasn't so sure about the vocals, at one point it sounds like theres a mistake somewhere, but beside that, the vocals just weren't working for me on first listen but on second listen, the vocals sound tremendous... even if there is some sort of mistake... creative, intentional or accidental, I'm not sure but it sounds like something wrong happens. But on second listen, the instruments don't sound nearly as great as they did the first time and, so I listen a third time, to see if it all balances out, it kind of does but in the wrong direction because I'm just not that excited about anything.

Big Crouton - Ominous. Awyeah, that is pretty rad. For a second, I wasn't sure if the vocals were in the right place but I can hear them fine. This feels kind of great and its all very great. Entirely too great? Possibly. Lets see if it holds up on second listen and... holy crap, that was badass.

The Chadderandom Abyss - That overlapping ought to beeeee in the chorus is bugging me a little, like I should've shortened it to ought be, or maybe I could've broken it up more, like... come down... where you... ought to.... beeeee, and so it'd have its own section and then I could've held onto beee for as long as I wanted to and it wouldn't've overlapped.

Chopped Liver Meat God - I like the high pitch back up vocal. And the music too. The pre-chorus sounds fun. Post-chorus not as much although on repeated listen, it sounded better than I thought. The chorus (is a chorus still a chorus if it doesn't repeat or should I be calling it something else? But whatever it is, it) works... but how come the second verse (unless the chorus becomes the second verse due to not repeating and the second verse is actually the third verse or maybe the song is a poem and its three stanzas long but whatever it is, why), doesn't (it (the second verse (third stanza))) also feature the high pitched back up vocals? I guess they don't need them... but I liked them and want them to come back, so, yeah, thats my only problem.

Chthonic Chthock - This whole dance-punk thing was done well. Pretty well, even. Those vocals are almost amazing. I'm starting to get into this more with every listen. I think I should stop listening to this before I get sucked through a vortex back into 2004 and can't stop listening to every band that sounded like this because I was obsessed.

Clifton Lee Johnston - I don't remember the video sounding this amazing. Usually videos make songs more tolerable (though I guess thats for songs that need to be tolerated and an accompanying video would make it better, so not really the case here) but this song actually sounds better all by itself. And even knowing the concept behind this song, having read the FAWM thread, this song doesn't really sound like every other song ever. Or maybe it does but it really doesn't.

deetak - So Animal Collective, Rufus Wainwright, Tiny Tim and CW McCall are locked in a computer together and forced to participate in a VST & LSD mash-up party but where's the host? No one knows. Where's the CB section? Its a mystery, really, and one by one everyone dies from an overdose. Only Mr Feeny with the picnic table umbrella in the mall security office knows the truth. Dun, dun, dun.

Doctor Worm - Well, look at that, that sure is... happening for a long time. WTF? I... uh... maybe if I listen to that a second time, it'll make sense. Are these vocals in the beginning of the long part? I assumed that I missed a whole block of things but most of it doesn't seem to have any vocals, so that part is just, like, there. For a while. I am confused by this whole song and its not aesthetically pleasing enough to really try to get.

Embers of Autumn - Whoa. That was unexpected. Holy fuck, those vocals. I... uh... want to go home? I want my mommy? Wow, I'm sorry, I had to shut that off. Maybe if I try to listen to it at 50%. I didn't make it much farther. Actually, I think I shut it off sooner. I like your cliched emo stuff better even though its kind of played out. And I usually make it all the way through those songs. Okay, one more time... and I made it all the way through and that was certainly made with Fruity Loops and those vocals sure were some kind of vocals.

Ford's Theater Disaster - I have listened to this song twice, paying full attention both times and I have no idea how I feel about it. It starts out awesome is all I really know. But then what happens... it might also be equally awesome... but I don't know. I think maybe its the production thats off-putting because I can't really get into it as much as it feels like I should be able to.

Grass Stained - Did you boost the bass in this song? There definitely shouldn't be that much bass and its really distracting. Whats underneath sounds like it might be alright if not a little generic and I'd rather hear the alright generic thing that might be cool if I were actually able to listen to it instead of all this bbbbb stuff in my headphones.

Humboat - So, like, is that the kazoo after the looked into being a jedi part? The whole kazoo thats not a kazoo thing caused me to be on the look out which I think caused me to not really be able to pay attention to anything because I was too busy suspecting everything of being a kazoo (even the percussion (because it could be a kazoo being dropped)). Anyway, I really like this song, its really fun and clever and held my attention once I paid attention to the actual song.

Jan Krueger - This song is really... I don't know what to say. Its becoming less horrifying with each listen though. The ending is kind of cool. I want to like it? I guess I like the lyrics. It kind of bums me out that I can't really get into this. I don't know why I feel so horrified by this song. Is horrify the right word? It makes me cringe. But I wouldn't say it was cringe-worthy, because that specific phrasing, while accurate, makes it sound like its a bad song and its not a bad song, its just not anything I can get in to. Both this song and this review share something in common: too melodramatic.

Jonathan Mann - I love the vocals. I love the lyrics. I'm starting to love the instrumentation. Let's see how much I love this on second listen: a lot, apparently, since I'm on my 4th listen and instead of writing a bunch of meaningless words I'm just sitting here listening to it.

Larry - Does any of this work together? The longer it goes, the more it feels like it does. I wasn't really digging the vocals but they're starting to grow on me. Or they're just getting better. Yeah, I'm really feeling this and I just checked, its only the half way point. Lets see how much awesome I missed out on with a second listen. It worked from the beginning. I closed my eyes and got lost in the beat, it felt kind of spiritual.

Lawless Drive - I liked the guitar, it reminded me of something. I want to say Polvo, but thats probably only because I listened to them last night. I can't listen to this more than twice to try to figure it out though for obvious reasons.

Max The Cat - I think I'm halucinating. That noise is kind of freaking me out and I like it. I was going to say how your vocals sounded like they had a weird effect added to them too and I thought it was going to be a detriment but now I'm not sure because theres this whole thing going on here that, like, I don't know, man. But a few days later, this song is pretty cool on all levels and there's no uncertainty in how awesome it is.

Mortimer The Tortoise - I really like the vocals, like a lot, but they sure took a while to come in and that music is not something I want to be alone with.

Naked Philosophy - Your vocals are kind of buried and I'm almost left alone with the music but I really like the music, so I'm cool with you trying to leave me alone with it but it'd be nice if the vocals were clearer and closer... or not. I don't know, maybe this works. Yeah, turns out, I really like everything thats going on here. On second listen, I really like the vocal effects when it starts rocking but in the intro or whatever they seem kind of unnecessary but oh well, choices.

Nigel Clements - That was smooth, nothing wrong with it, kind of reminded me of Gomez with less awesome vocals but still very Gomezy in the vocals department too. Kind of awesome if I want really cool background music, I guess. Actually it sounds like a song that would be playing in the background if I were in an indie movie and I was making out with someone while on x and nudity ensued while someone was watching from the closet and it turned out at the end of the song I was the one in the closet just watching a girl undress. And I was a bunny rabbit.

Paco del Stinko - I wasn't really feeling this at the beginning but as the song goes on, its really bringing me in, and I'm getting into it more and more. Not really enough to listen to it a second time but maybe... whoa, was I really not going to listen to that a second time? So, I'm on the third listen and I thought this song was kind of long but this song is absolutely amazing. I don't know what number of listens I'm currently on but I guess I should listen to something else now because I've been playing this for a while.

Quimby - Holy crap, hahaha... I was listening intently and when the guitar came in it scared the crap out of me. This song is pretty amazing in much the same way that Bette Midler's 'From a Distance" was when I first heard it, in that despite not really feeling anything positive about the subject matter and it should alienate me but the performance is just so great that you have to like the song.

Quimby featuring Billy's Little Trip - I like the beginning and the guitar part towards the end. But I can't really make out much of the vocals because theres too much stuff to distract me with and I'm just not that into hearing awesome vocals on one song and then having them surrounded by unnecessary stuff.

Rone Rivendale - If this were more groovy and trancey and less noisy, it might be kind of awesome but theres just a little too much abrasiveness although as is, its pretty good.

Ross Durand - Speaking of "From A Distance" this totally sounds like a response to that song. Like, really intentionally, because on second listen I caught the first couple lines that I missed the first time around, I thought it was just be a coincidence and now I realize it wasn't. But I really like this regardless of how intentional it was.

Signboy - Heh, this is pretty cool. I wasn't sure about the vocals at first but they really grew on me.

The Sky Looks Pissed - I really, really like the guitar and harmonica and I think maybe the vocals work but I... whoa, everything that comes in is what this song needed maybe. Too bad it all came in at the end. Before it came in though, I kept picturing the vocals over something else other than the guitar, I just couldn't figure out what. Violin and glitch beats, maybe? It might cover up the plosive noises... especially if the glitch beats were made from plosives. But whats there at the end, the banjo and the... kalimba? I really like those. A banjo/kalimba song would've been awesome ending with some crazy guitar strumming and harmonica blowing, so everything reversed. In theory.

Steve Durand - This song just feels fake. But, then again, if I wanted to hear a song about going down to Brazil, it'd be from the 21st century and it'd include references to thongs and martial arts and I'd be able to pogo to it and yell "Yeah!" a lot.

Todd McHatton - There is absolutely nothing wrong with this song other than the fact that I need more rocking out in my life due to living in a cold, dark cloudy place although upon second listen, I'm really getting into this. Third listen and I'm noticing everything and that everything is working on a level that I really like.

Tungsten Chic - I'm not really down with the computer as vocalist in general unless there is something really exceptional and the line "have yourself a glass o' wine" did give me a legit lol but I'd rather hear the most horrible vocals in the world as long as they're coming from an actual person. I have a keepin it really real and genuine fetish.

The Weakest Suit - So, on the third listen, I can't really tell whats wrong with this song. I mean, there's nothing really wrong with it, it feels like it works because I keep getting glimpses of something more, like there's this really awesome song but I think it might be the production thats making this not completely work for me.

Who Fly - I really like this. Like, every part of this. Every part. I totally want to start listing parts that I find particularly awesome but, like, every part.
jast wrote:(please learn to sing)
I've been making music off and on for 17 years and I think at one point I sung pretty well but I've done a lot to damage the things that are required to sing well, don't really practice or test it out though, probably forgotten a lot of important things in that department as well but I don't really write songs that require much singing anyway. This song in particular would definitely be more subtle with singing, might be more open to interpretation but its a song about some crazy dude who's looking for a reason to commit suicide, so I like the overtness of the vocals myself and it was intentional because I wasn't really interested in recording (like the guy isn't that interested in living) and thought that would actually help the mood more.
Billy's Little Trip wrote:I can't help but think how awesome it would be if you did your vox through a megaphone.
This song wouldn't exist if the narrator had a megaphone. How can you consider dying for a talking fish when you have a megaphone? If the crazy man wandering the streets had a megaphone, he'd be telling the talking fish to come down where she ought to be with him. Down in the street, because down is up and up is down in his world and he would be able to tell the world that with his megaphone. He'd be able to tell the world a lot with his megaphone like how awesome his megaphone was.
Ross wrote:I am apparently unqualified to review this. best part is at 1:20 or so. in the end basically boring. But consider my qualifications.
Your qualifications is probably why you're unqualified because, as a guitarist, you're conditioned to recoil in horror at that noise or at least be less than appreciative towards it. As for it being boring, thats definitely a valid feeling to have because the song never becomes that exciting, per se, so yeah, if you're not that enthralled with the story, its probably yawn city.
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Chadderandom wrote:Lawless Drive - I liked the guitar, it reminded me of something. I want to say Polvo, but thats probably only because I listened to them last night. I can't listen to this more than twice to try to figure it out though for obvious reasons.
jast wrote:(please learn to sing)
I've been making music off and on for 17 years and I think at one point I sung pretty well but I've done a lot to damage the things that are required to sing well, don't really practice or test it out though, probably forgotten a lot of important things in that department as well but I don't really write songs that require much singing anyway. This song in particular would definitely be more subtle with singing, might be more open to interpretation but its a song about some crazy dude who's looking for a reason to commit suicide, so I like the overtness of the vocals myself and it was intentional because I wasn't really interested in recording (like the guy isn't that interested in living) and thought that would actually help the mood more.
Billy's Little Trip wrote:I can't help but think how awesome it would be if you did your vox through a megaphone.
This song wouldn't exist if the narrator had a megaphone. How can you consider dying for a talking fish when you have a megaphone? If the crazy man wandering the streets had a megaphone, he'd be telling the talking fish to come down where she ought to be with him. Down in the street, because down is up and up is down in his world and he would be able to tell the world that with his megaphone. He'd be able to tell the world a lot with his megaphone like how awesome his megaphone was.
Ross wrote:I am apparently unqualified to review this. best part is at 1:20 or so. in the end basically boring. But consider my qualifications.
Your qualifications is probably why you're unqualified because, as a guitarist, you're conditioned to recoil in horror at that noise or at least be less than appreciative towards it. As for it being boring, thats definitely a valid feeling to have because the song never becomes that exciting, per se, so yeah, if you're not that enthralled with the story, its probably yawn city.
Haha, math rock... love it. I read the wikipedia description on Polvo and am listening to them now - any comparison to them is a compliment. They do sound like a much more polished version of a lot of random guitar pieces I've recorded. The demo I made for Love Me A Little Bit More has verses in 7/8, choruses in 4/4 and a bridge in 3/4, it would have been much more like them. However, I've mostly been influenced by "post-hardcore" bands so my guitar work will be fairly dynamic but tends to stick to 4/4 throughout a song..

A band I find slightly similar to Polvo are Frodus, they're not too bad. I only found out about them because Thrice did a great cover of 'The Earth Isn't Humming'... and I love Thrice.

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After reading your responses to reviews, I had a good listen to your song again. Knowing what its about certainly helps, and I'll have to say you emobied the character with the vocals and the backround with the music quite well. That said, by embodying an unpleasant theme, the song itself becomes aurally unpleasant. As a guitarist myself I find it funny you decide that 'we' would be horrified by your submission. It's more that I draw the distinction between a musical piece and a song at whether it carries some sort of tune or melody.
I'd say your submission is a musical piece, yes, but not necessarily a song. Much as a section of a play might have backing music, it lacks that structure and contained-ness of a song. It's not a negative thing, I'm just making some distinctions. The submission I had planned for this week was going to be half-narrative half-song, and that was after a lot of restructuring, so I understand where you're coming from when making this type of music and appreciate it now that I do.
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adam b wrote:
Billy's Little Trip wrote:I can't help but think how awesome it would be if you did your vox through a megaphone.
How can you consider dying for a talking fish when you have a megaphone?
I guess the same way you can consider a full band with each member playing an instrument to create a big well arranged piece, as unnecessary. :wink:

But to be honest, I didn't listen to your story. I generally listen to how a song flows and gets my interest. Then after several listens I start paying attention to the lyrics to see if the song has any staying power to keep me interested in the writer. But in all fairness to you, I'll go back now and give it a lyrical listen. Here at the mighty Song Fight, I tend to give all the songs a quick listen right when they drop, then a full listen as I review them. If a song is deep or extremely metaphorical, it might take me many listens to get it. So if a song doesn't have a hook or elements to make me want to listen again (not saying your song doesn't) I may never know it's true meaning. This is the reason a song should have something to catch someones attention. Otherwise it's like going fishing without bait. Pun kind of intended, lol.

edit: by the way, when I say megaphone, I didn't mean to talk loudly through a voice amplifying device to get attention. I was thinking of that cool thin vocal effect like in Pink Floyd's Pigs, like when it kicks in when he says "Almost a joker, with your head down in the pig bin...etc." which isn't a megaphone at all, but just has that cool dramatic sound.
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Lord of Oats wrote:Well, sure your singing can be out of key, but that's not what he was saying. He said your melody doesn't fit the chords, not that it doesn't fit the key.
Huh. Okay. That makes a lot more sense; I get it - on a theoretic level, at least. For my Ford's Theater Disaster tunes I conceive the lyrics around rhythm and meaning and leave the melody as a secondary consideration - mostly because I really don't know how to sing a given note. I can read music, I understand the practice, I just don't have the synapses crafted to do so.

... hrm... well, that gives me something to chew and work on, then...
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Chadderandom wrote:Doctor Worm - Well, look at that, that sure is... happening for a long time. WTF? I... uh... maybe if I listen to that a second time, it'll make sense. Are these vocals in the beginning of the long part? I assumed that I missed a whole block of things but most of it doesn't seem to have any vocals, so that part is just, like, there. For a while. I am confused by this whole song and its not aesthetically pleasing enough to really try to get.
I believe what you're nonsensically referring to is the "guitar solo," a staple section of most rock songs.
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john|m: heh.

Anyways... In addition to the aforementioned Reist and Who Fly, I'm also voting for Grass Stained (is that a Todd two-fer?).

I was going to do full reviews, but my "We Keep Them Alive" isn't done yet, so I probably won't have the time tonight. Here's a couple of thoughts.

Jonathan Mann - I'm still not sure whether to vote for you. It's a They Might Be Giants impression, but lucky for you, it's a good TMBG impression, and I like TMBG, so I'm mulling it over.

Humboat, your song is fun, and scans beautifully, but some of the jokes are a little too cheap, so I'm mulling yours over too.

Rone - You didn't suck as much as usual this week. Watch out for those loud sweepy noises. They grate on the ear. Good job keeping your plosives in check this week.

In general: chill with multiple entries, plz.
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Apologies, I thought collabs were allowed.
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adam b wrote:As a guitarist myself I find it funny you decide that 'we' would be horrified by your submission.
No we, just Ross. He specifically mentioned Charles Ives, a dissonant composer, as someone he appreciated, but I don't think Charles Ives included any guitar in any of his pieces, I could be wrong since I've not heard a lot of Charles Ives. But just because you like some dissonance, it doesn't mean you'll like all dissonance, especially if that dissonance is coming from an instrument you're more familiar with, which is why I brought up the guitarist factor. For him. As a possibility.
john m wrote:I believe what you're nonsensically referring to is the "guitar solo," a staple section of most rock songs.
You can call it what you want but when I think guitar solo, especially rock guitar solo, I don't think oppressively long, boring sections that make me feel like I want to escape.
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Henrietta wrote:Apologies, I thought collabs were allowed.
They are.
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Chadderandom wrote: Humboat - So, like, is that the kazoo after the looked into being a jedi part?
That's it, through something called a vowel filter, set on "A". Thanks for reviewing.
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Rone Rivendale wrote:
Henrietta wrote:Apologies, I thought collabs were allowed.
They are.
Yes, they are.

And Henrietta, I certainly can't make you do anything (and Lord knows I've been guilty of this myself), but you may have noticed we have an unusually high volume of entries lately. And I can't speak for everyone, but it seems most people here are having a hard time keeping up with it, and would prefer shorter fights. Three people this week turned in two songs each.

So sure, if those three hadn't done this, there'd be 32 songs instead of 35. Not a huge difference. Ignore me if you want.

I'm just sayin'.
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No songlove. Harsh but fair (and actually helpful) reviews only, like the old days.

I did an initial listen-through of the entire fight the day it was posted, and the prevailing theme was that the songs were "okay... maybe good for songfight," which is an altogether depressing label. I hope everyone is aiming for "good," and not just "good within a short timeframe." Sure, I treat all my songfight entries like demo recordings to later be improved upon, but that doesn't mean I don't take the songwriting seriously.

Another irritating theme is terribly uncreative title interpretation. It would be fantastic not to hear 15 songs taking the title lyric at face value. Aim to stand out from the rest!

If you are doing guy and guitar, BE FUCKING AWESOME. You are far from alone, because many people think "oh shit, limited time, I'll be as lazy as possible." Be incredible or do something else, please.

Finally, concentrate on your songwriting. Seriously. I don't know when the songfight community shifted from songwriting critiques to mixwhores, but it's a horrible shift. A good mix is nice, but all it does is display the song you wrote. The best mix in the world won't save a bad song.

Broad reviews over. Individual reviews:

Abominominous - I don't have the slightest idea what you're saying, but I don't really mind; I like the tone of the vocals. This is a very cohesive piece. Every individual part fits well with the others. In particular, the guitars are very well-balanced. I love the breakdown ending.

Adam Adamant - Oh dear, synth drums. The synth lead pad or whatever that is comes in pretty awkwardly. The cymbal is awful. I don't mind the guitars, really, but I can't say they feel necessary to the song. Once the song really kicks in, the drums are way too loud (and still fake and bad). You use some interesting synth sounds, and I like the tone of the bass, but this doesn't seem to go anywhere. It feels like you rushed through the songwriting process as fast as you could to get to the "fucking around with synths until I find things I like" stage; I'd recommend you spend some more time initially working on the construction of the song as a whole.

Andrew Reist - No matter how many times I try to think of something different to say about your song, I can't help but come back to telling you that you are very good at writing Third Eye Blind songs. I could take your song apart, tell you the tiny guitar break at :47 is out of place, the vocals are all over the place (not that you have a bad voice, just that you're doing too much), that the guitar solo is solid but unimaginative and standard, that the lead tone is cool at first but grating after a while, that the mix is solid, that you do well with what you have but should try to get a real drummer... but seriously, admit it, this is just a Third Eye Blind b-side or something. Seriously.

Berkeley Social Scene - Vocals aren't good. I like all the stringed instruments individually, but I don't like the way they are panned at all... especially the bass. I hate hard-panned bass. The transitions between swing and straight are awkward and forced. I actually think you had some really cool ideas, but didn't execute them particularly well.

Big Crouton - Intro feels horribly long because it isn't interesting. Do you really need that much time to establish your sound? Your voice doesn't fit this style at all. ... Okay, please get to a new section or some new chords already. ... Nope, chorus is the exact same uninteresting guitar riff and chord non-progression. Fast forwarding to find different chords. ... There we go! Two minutes later, you threw in some generic 1/3/5 chords behind your solo. You're obviously a solid guitarist, but this song is very boring. Also, drum fills, no matter how complex, are never interesting if the drums are fake. Bass masturbation at the end doesn't fit. Wait, fake fadeout only to return with nothing new? No. No no no.

The Chadderandom Abyss - I only review serious entries.

Chopped Liver Meat God - I... can't tell if you're serious. Okay, you have synths, we get it. Fake drums are bad. Vocals are ... yeah, I can't tell if you're serious. Very long instrumental section with nothing happening. Huh, there's the chorus again. Lyrics are awful. The main hook of the chorus is bad. I can't imagine anything interesting happening in the last 3+ minutes, so I'm stopping around 2:40.

Chthonic Chthock - I already gave a brief review in IRC, comparing this (favorably) to Polysics, but to expand: This is quite good. Your vocals are good, particularly for this genre. This entire piece is a great execution of its genre. I just wish there was a little more bass presence, but I don't know if that's a songwriting or mix complaint. You even have the courtesy and insight to end the song before it has a chance of becoming stale. I apologize for not having too much to say critically or analytically about your piece (uh... the snare tone is a little harsh? seriously, I'm grasping at straws here), but there's not much to correct. Well done.

Clifton Lee Johnston - Guy and guitar. Your voice is fine. Ew, couldn't you do a little editing and take out the "I breathed too loudly into the microphones" noises? Unless this is one take, in which case... eh. Not a bad progression, but not original or really engaging. At least you pull it off well. This is fine for guy and guitar, which means it's okay overall.

deetak - Whoa, what the hell? Ridiculous way-too-loud flute fanfare. Crazy unnecessary vocal layering. Now guitar and falsetto? Now ridiculous strings. No thanks.

Doctor Worm - As a song (meaning mix issues aside), I'm pretty happy with it. It feels weird individually releasing a song that I completely conceive as an "album track," fully intended to fit in with the sound of a sequential group of songs (the album I'm making), but songfight is what it is. I'm particularly happy with the recording quality as compared to my older stuff, and the lead guitar.

Embers of Autumn - Hate the intro. Usually handclaps don't come on beat 1... for a reason. alskdjlkasd fucking loud when you do come in, and it isn't good, either. Vocals are bad. Drums are bad. Underlying synth is still irritating. Skipping at 1:20.

Ford's Theater Disaster - Bad drums. Vocals... not good, at least. You might have recorded it decently (at least, I think you were going for a rough/lo-fi genre), but the song itself isn't very interesting. The chorus is loud but not powerful. Just loud. Then it gets quiet and slower after the second chorus? Why? That ride cymbal is awful. I just don't like this, and don't even really have good criticism for it. Genre bias, maybe?

Grass Stained - Guy and guitar. You have a nice voice, and good guitar tone. The progression is interesting enough, I suppose. Whoa, why drum hits? Don't care for those. It's a pretty song, but not particularly memorable, and I don't know where you go from here... a less rich John Mayer? Eh.

Humboat - IRC reviewed, but after further listens, it's still funny, I still like the uke and handclaps, so it's still fun. Too many songs like this will typecast you as novelty, but this stands alone well.

Jan Krueger - Classic example of "well, those drums are good for songfight, I guess." I really don't like the meter change; it feels really out of place. Vocals are a little weak... I mean, I think they could be fine, I don't particularly like or dislike your voice, but it seems like you're not delivering the lyrics nearly powerfully enough. In fact, most of the song seems "held back" in the same fashion. Put it out there! Don't care for the chorus chord progression. The song starts to drag in the second verse; maybe a newly-introduced lead guitar riff or two would keep it interesting. Harmonized vocals are fine in concept, but again delivered weakly. The synth organ is nice. Lyrics are a bit jumbled and forced at the end of the second chorus. I guess the choir thing is your signature, but again, it could be much, much stronger. Not bad.

Jonathan Mann - Don't like the progression. Or the instruments. Why is everything pulsating? Over-compressed or -delayed? It's unbelievably irritating. Chorus is boring. Your voice is decent. The drums fit the style, I guess, but the rim knocks in the verses are terrible. Ew, so are the toms. Forgettable.

Larry - Oh boy, a fake drum parade. Vocals aren't bad but should be louder. Crash cymbal is awful. Ouch, the second note of that descending guitar riff is off. Badly. In fact, the lead guitar is way too loud given how soft the vocals are. Lyrics are uninteresting. Claves need a different rhythm. Seriously those cymbals are terrible. I don't really know what you were going for with this.

Lawless Drive - Eh... you might have been serious. Please invest some serious time in writing your chord progression next time. Never use random idiotic lyrics posted on forums. They'll never be funny. Try actually singing next time, too.

Max The Cat - Guy and guitar. Talented guitar, though not loud enough. I like your voice. Those weird sounds are pretty unnecessary. You don't have a real tambourine? Fake tambourine really takes away from this song. I mean, it's one thing to be guy and guitar, but don't try to cover it up with something that will never fit.

Mortimer The Tortoise - I'm walking around a circus? Vocals are rushed and unintelligible and not good. Why did you submit two songs when neither one is good?

Naked Philosophy - Ok, I can see what you're going for. At least you tried to make a full band sound; thank you. The drums aren't good, the electric guitar is way too distant, the bass is practically absent. The acoustic is fine, but everything needs to match it. I mean, I take it you're trying to be powerful when the distortion kicks in, so don't hold back. Whoa, what the hell is happening to your drums? They're fake, so how can the tempo be dying? The songwriting itself isn't incredible, but it's solid for where you are in your musical development, and I certainly applaud you for not taking shortcuts, but instead trying to create a full band sound.

Nigel Clements - Bad drums, but even for bad drums, you programmed them poorly. The rhythms make no sense. The vocals are forced because of bad lyrics. The bass is ok. The little breaks before the choruses add nothing to the song. The chord progression is very standard and boring. Try harder.

Paco del Stinko - In the interest of full disclosure, I probably have genre bias against this. That said, this is quite well done. Well mixed, great guitar parts all around, suitable drums, fun vocals. Well-executed across the board. Nice to see that you're still active, too. Good job.

Quimby - Genre bias. Intro is pretentious. Girl and guitar is marginally better than guy and guitar only because there are barely any women on songfight. Guitar is well executed. This is exceptionally well recorded. I think a few more takes of the lead guitar would have paid off, since it's pretty aimless. I like your voice well enough, but I don't think I like the lyrics. Each time the progression is about to get boring, it changes, so well done there. Again, genre bias, but considering the genre bias, I ended up thinking pretty favorably about this song.

Quimby featuring Billy's Little Trip - HMM YOU SOUND FAMILIAR. Tsk tsk multiple entries. Is this supposed to sound like an extension of the other songs? Because it's not really different or any more interesting. The bass hits a few awkward notes. Okay, there are way way too few people on songfight that properly know when to switch to the rockout, and this certainly hits it at the right place, but the electric guitar is too weak and the drums are too bad. Also, the bass should be stronger at the rockout. The harmony vocal should just not be there. Guitar solo is typical fare for this genre... not good, not awful, just there. Again, this might be better if I hadn't just heard the same song sans rockout, but it's not different enough to warrant entering twice, you naughty naughty songfighter.

Rone Rivendale - arghkjahfkjh FUCKING LOUD HORRIBLE SOUND EFFECT THANK YOU. Wait, the same lyrics as another bad song? Why? This is loud and bad and loud.

Ross Durand - Guy and guitar. Reviewed you in IRC, but to reiterate: good guitar tone, very suitable voice, interesting title interpretation (FINALLY). Perfect timing on the introduction of the lead guitar to keep things fresh. Good harmonies. This is a good example of being good enough to do guy and guitar every once in a while.

Signboy - Eh. You took awful lyrics from someone on the forums, so your ceiling was very low to begin with. I guess you reached that ceiling, since you do silly disco pretty well. The fake drums and tambourine actually fit here. That's about all I can say.

The Sky Looks Pissed - Guy and guitar, plus a few little touches here and there. Pretty standard progression. Get a pop filter, please? Or make one from pantyhose. Man, acoustic guitar, shaky vocals, glockenspiel, random other instrumental touches.... you seriously remind me of me about 7-8 years ago (Firecrackers, heh)... so keep practicing and trying new things, and someday you might be an amazing rock star like I'm about to be.

Steve Durand - The effected vocals are a little loud for such a delicate song. All the parts fit together very well. Also, this is how to use fake instruments: sparingly, and as though they are real. The guitar tone is beautiful. Lyrics are pretty cheesy but I think that's intentional. A great execution of your intentions.

Todd McHatton - Bad tambourine! No. The lyrics are rhythmically awkward. Vocals are strained here and there, but I do like your voice. The instrumentation is pretty nice. I was about to get bored but then the drums kicked in... kinda. They're completely buried. The bassline could use some serious revision, at least after the drums come in. Piano appears out of nowhere, disappears just as quickly, and I don't care for it. Pretty abrupt ending for a song of this style. I'd recommend you take a step back during the mixing process (since that's the point when all recording is finished) and seriously examine if all those parts you invented are really necessary. I could probably do without half the instrumentation in this song. That could just be a matter of taste, but it feels like instruments are covering each other up, and it's not a mix or EQ issue as much as an issue of too much activity.

Tungsten Chic - I only review serious entries.

The Weakest Suit - Really really bland. It probably should have ended at 1:00. Vocals are poor. Guitar tone is bland for distortion. Progression is boring. I mean, you don't have to have the most inventive progression ever, but if you do use a standard progression, you MUST contribute something interesting over those chords. You don't. Okay, it could have ended again after the second chorus and didn't. I have nothing against the length of a song, but when a song "feels long" it's because you've provided no diversity to maintain my interest.

Who Fly - A very good execution of the intended genre, which I'm assuming was "I really like Snow Patrol and Radiohead's 'Everything in its Right Place'." Well-mixed, comparatively good lyrics, good vocals, good instrumentation. Could maybe use a little added instrumentation as the song progresses to keep it interesting, but at the same time, that might ruin the sparseness of the recording, which is definitely a nice effect. Good job.

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Overall, I'm pretty disappointed that songfight has fallen this far. There were some decent entries, but they were mostly "good for songfight" entries rather than songs I will keep on my hard drive and listen to amid signed artists. It is not impossible to make such songs. Frankie, JB, add, Front, DT, Glenn, sos, State Shirt, Ken, #... many, many artists before all of you have made great songs (within a week or less) that stand alone as fantastic. This obviously has been lost somewhere along the way. Please get it back.

I don't do the multiple vote shit. This is songfight. I've always voted for the single best song in a fight (of which there is always exactly one), regardless of whose it was. So, it is with complete objectivity and after full critical analysis that I... find no other song better than my own, by a considerable margin.
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john m wrote:you do well with what you have but should try to get a real drummer
Um, I agree with pretty much everything else you said (though I've never heard third eye blind, I assume from what you said that they suck), but I don't get this comment. Are you assuming these are programmed drums? Or do I just suck? Drums for an overall chill song (I always thought) should be relatively simple, and I didn't feel that the song begged for any dynamic changes.
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