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LML wrote:Okay people... time for the unimportant reviews of LML who knows nothing about good music.

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Naked Philosophy *****
Like how it starts out. It's catchy. I will be putting this on my ipod. The AIDS thing made me laugh. Vote.

...

They were all written while I listened to the song. First impressions make a difference people. But seriously, I know I suck so if I say you suck it doesn't mean much. Just means we both suck. And that's not so bad. I'm doing just fine.
You apparently know a lot about good music. :D

(I review the same way, FWIW - I also do it at a moderate pace, maybe 5 or 6 songs at a time so that I don't get burnt out on reviewing. That's why my reviews always at least a week after the songs are posted)
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LML wrote:Ramen Flavored Roms **
Vocals sound like they were recorded in your shower. Were they? Slam poetry.
Heh, no the vocals weren't recorded in a shower. The refrains and verse two were recorded in my bedroom, on a mic that is built in to a monitor. Yeah, just about the worst thing I could use, but it's that or nothing. Verses one and three were recorded in a friend's bedroom on a Guitar Hero World Tour mic, I believe. Also not the greatest thing to be recording on. Of the three of us that comprise Ramen-Flavored ROMs, only one of us has a mic of any quality, and he's been too busy to record anything for the past few weeks. Otherwise we'd have better-sounding vocals and a guitar or two. (That same guy is also the only one among us who can play any instruments.) Also, what is this "Slam poetry" of which you speak?
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got google?
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New Southern Derek wrote:Generic --

Just FYI, announcing that you're "not going to have very nice things to say" about our song comes off more dick-ish than just saying what you have to say and adding "nothing personal."
Sorry, Derek. I wrote that post from work, and couldn't write the review from there, in part because of how long the review is going to be, and in part because it involved listening to the song some more (as well as a couple of Sober's older songs).

I made a point of listening to your song (and listening to it, and listening to it...) in light of Sober's comments about how awesome it is. Sober has made some reductive comments that indicate that he thinks that production values are the only valid criterion on which to judge a song.

My review follows.

I'm glad the two of you addressed the issues of the songwriting, because that's the problem. Sober, you keep alluding to the song's mix as though it's the only thing worth judging your song on. And sure, this mix is good. I think that the electric guitar over the second verse is a little too loud, panned too hard to the right, and phases oddly with the mix, but other than that, the whole thing is a very sleek package.

Still. I'd like to refer the listeners back to The Sober Irishman's "Texas." It's earlier work. A little rougher around the edges, yes, but it's also a much better song. Sure, the vocals are a little weaker and lower in the mix than they ought to be, but listen to the energy there, the specificty of the lyrics, and those lifts! The mood evoked in that song is definite and infectious.

Back in those days, Sober used to host SongSkirmishes. These were songs that were written and recorded in under an hour, and Sober used to mop the floor with us. The studio sheen wasn't fully developed yet, but the soul was. This new song seems strangely regressive, even as it shows great professionalism in the mix. It seems that you've spent so much time focusing on learning the finer points of professional-sounding mixing that you've forgotten that songwriting/recording isn't an artisan craft - at least not in the way that metalworking or carpentry is. If a carpenter builds a chest of drawers, no one could rightly tell him, "Well, it's an attractive chest of drawers, but it didn't really need to be made, did it?"

But that's exactly how it is with this song. It's polished, sure. It sounds pretty. But nowhere along the line does it seem to have been imbued with purpose. If someone asked me, "What is this song about?" I wouldn't be able to answer. Why should it matter that the singer has been thinkin' about the old days? What do the old days mean? What has he been going about the wrong way? "Where do we go from here?" Is trite and vague, and adds nothing to the situtation trying to be conveyed.

It's a good guitar solo. The drumming is also really good throughout. The singing is on-key and passionate (more so in the choruses than the verses, where the melody feels a bit awkward), but I would argue that it's never adequately conveyed to the audience what he's passionate about. In the end, that lack of purpose manifests as something even more deleterious: it's just not catchy or memorable. I listened like six times in a row before I left the house, and by the time I got to work, I was unable to hum it to myself. Other listeners' mileage may vary, but I'd call that a bad sign.


Reviews of other songs to come later.

edited to insert link and for superficial revisions of wording.
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Spud wrote:got google?
Already tried that, and it didn't really help. I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't googled it.
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everybody wrote:a bunch of stuff

J$MF#1


i mean

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Phil. Redmon. wrote:weird things
I'm sure you don't mind that I don't get it.
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I'm guessing it stands for Johnny Cashpoint Mothersomething Number One.

As in, he really likes Johnny Cashpoint.
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Generic wrote:[Sober has made some reductive comments that indicate that he thinks that production values are the only valid criterion on which to judge a song.
I don't think that's what he said - I heard that he was saying it's all he's qualified to comment on. That the songwriting is not something he has much value to add to
sober wrote:There are plenty of people here with a good ear for songwriting, and solid advice to offer in that respect. I don't consider myself to be a great songwriter, but I have a good ear for production,
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Phil. Redmon. wrote:
everybody wrote:a bunch of stuff

J$MF#1


i mean

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+1 also?

Aw, you guys :oops:
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BriGuy92 wrote:
Spud wrote:got google?
Already tried that, and it didn't really help. I wouldn't be asking if I hadn't googled it.
Slam poetry is like poetry reading hardcore. It's got a lot of emphasis and feeling to it; dramatic pauses and slightly random phrases that work in the poem and make it unique. It's like ghetto poetry... I'm a racist.
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Nickleback... what can I say about them. I'm not a fan. Their music is a little (dare I say) generic. The singing is fine and the lyrics are well written, but it's like time traveling back to the early 2000's when I listen to them. Back when Creed was popular. They haven't changed since their first single. But I tell you, sounding like Nickleback is better than sounding like Kimya Dawson or Liz Phaire. I've been compared to them and it doesn't make me that confident in my music. Sounding like a band that makes a kabillion dollars a year isn't so bad.
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LML wrote:noah mclaughlin *
Bad singing. Sorry.
It's no secret that singing is my weak point, but this is a one-dimensional review. I don't think the singing is so poor as to overshadow the other aspects of the song: lyrics, dynamics, tonality, mixing, etc. Anything to say about those - or other elements?
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LML wrote: Lucky Spoon ***
This sounds like alternative rock from 2003. I'm sorry... but no vote. Three stars though.
2003!? that's 3 years more than 2000 and 6 years less than 2009!!

(I just wanted to jump on the band wagon of everyone replying to this set of reviews)

i should have shot for 2004... for 4 stars... or better yet 2005 for the vote!
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LML wrote:Nickleback... what can I say about them. I'm not a fan. Their music is a little (dare I say) generic.
Hey! :P
LML wrote: The singing is fine and the lyrics are well written, but it's like time traveling back to the early 2000's when I listen to them. Back when Creed was popular. They haven't changed since their first single. But I tell you, sounding like Nickleback is better than sounding like Kimya Dawson or Liz Phaire. I've been compared to them and it doesn't make me that confident in my music. Sounding like a band that makes a kabillion dollars a year isn't so bad.
Man, it's weird to hear Liz Phair cited as somebody's go-to example of "bad music." In the 90s she was hip and innovative. That's life, I guess.
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Yes... then she sold out to corporate greed and came out with How Can I Breathe. It makes my heart hurt. I wish I looked like her though. I'd get a record contract for sure.
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nyjm wrote:
LML wrote:noah mclaughlin *
Bad singing. Sorry.
It's no secret that singing is my weak point, but this is a one-dimensional review. I don't think the singing is so poor as to overshadow the other aspects of the song: lyrics, dynamics, tonality, mixing, etc. Anything to say about those - or other elements?
Okay you're right. Not a fair review. I gave it a second listen and I have to say the bass was very tight and drums were nice. Distortion about 1 minute in was a little unnecessary, but it's a well organized arrangement. I shouldn't be so shallow. You live and you learn people. I review music based on music I've listened to in the past. I'm not trying to make little subtle insults when I compare any of you to bands I've heard of. I'm 21. I don't have experience. Like I said before... I suck.
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nyjm wrote:
LML wrote:noah mclaughlin *
Bad singing. Sorry.
It's no secret that singing is my weak point, but this is a one-dimensional review. I don't think the singing is so poor as to overshadow the other aspects of the song: lyrics, dynamics, tonality, mixing, etc. Anything to say about those - or other elements?
i submit my music under the name "the weakest suit" because that's what my singing is.
one dimensional reviews are the best because you can blow them off easier in the review thread, but they'll stick with you for a long time because they are so simple and direct.
i'm used to the one dimensional reviews: by the time reviewers get to the W's they have usually devolved to one-line reviews. that is the main reason i chose a band name at the end of the alphabet: less scrutiny.
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Guys.

You've all got it all wrong.

I started to write reviews last night. I got up to Deetak and couldn't get past it. By which I mean, I didn't want to hear anything else after it. I listened to it 4 times in a row and my eyes started to well and I got an adrenaline rush. This is a song.

I know it's gonna get the shove off because it doesn't sound like the radio, which is what so many people here use as the yardstick for reviews. This morning I snapped off a cover (by no means radio sound, but fuck that shit) so maybe your delicate ears could hear the "song."

Well, the real reason is because I have never wanted to record a cover of something as instantly as when I heard "we're fuckin' authentic."

anyway-

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OK - so my sycophancy a few posts earlier is clearly now just plain embarrassin' :)

Good version, A-Bomb i look forward to hearing the original now.
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LML wrote:Yes... then she sold out to corporate greed and came out with How Can I Breathe.
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LML wrote:Sounding like a band that makes a kabillion dollars a year isn't so bad.
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