The pain, the pain! (on a scale of 1 to 10 reviews)

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Re: The pain, the pain! (on a scale of 1 to 10 reviews)

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Kip Lightning wrote:. . . I do think the "go to eleven" thing is low hanging fruit and anyone that used it---shame on you.
I used it because I'd already written the line with "heavens." I didn't actually need a rhyme in the scheme, but there it was anyway, calibration issues and all. So for me, the fact that it rhymed was the tempting fruit.

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Lip Lightning wrote:Vocals sound like a clown, music is performed very well though.
That sounds about right. I hesitate to use the term singing about myself, I prefer 'vocalizing'. By way of explanation, not excuse, I state that I do my own vocals out of necessity, not desire, although I do the best that I can. Usually. Still gotta scratch the itch, ya know? Thanks for the comments.

For various reasons/excuses, I haven't reviewed in a while. I had written many reviews before ever submitting a song here, but I've probably used up that credit some time ago. Anyway, I'll get off my ass for this managable fight.

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Paco Del Stinko wrote:
Lip Lightning wrote:Vocals sound like a clown, music is performed very well though.


I should have come up with a more constructive way to say that. Ive always been sensitive about my own vocals so I should have been more considerate.
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Paco's singing is deceptively versatile. See if you can track down his cover of "This Jesus Must Die" (from Jesus Christ Superstar), in which he persuasively sings all three parts (plus the chorus!). It's amazing. I can't find it online any more, which is a great loss.
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Kip Lightning wrote:I should have come up with a more constructive way to say that. Ive always been sensitive about my own vocals so I should have been more considerate.
Nah, no need, and I'm not offended at all. Call'em as you see'em, it's best to be honest. One of my earlier songs had a caveman chorus in it (!) and the reviewer said something like "The voices gang raped me, I had to stop listening". Ha! Bring the pepper, Salty!

James: It's funny, that version of that song came on my IPOD today when I was driving to work. It actually sounded pretty decent. Thanks for the kind words. I can mail you a copy if really interested.

OK. Back on track now. :)
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So, Ive been listening to all the songs this morning while driving and I've come to a newbie conclusion: Listen to the songs a few times before reviewing. Lesson learned.
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Lightning Shark - I'm oddly fascinated with the contravoice you've got going, it reminds me of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3dfGv7cD7o. I like the purity of this entry, and the Meatwad side-voice adds a unique touch to a familiar style. I wanted you to make something a little more of the bridge near the end, but that fact that it's there at all as a counter to the frenetic rest of it is good.
Paul Hubert - Of the entire song I enjoyed 1:52-2:12 the most, and the phrase 'on a scale of 1 to 10, even love can bend and embrace you in its arms from time to time' works for me even though it doesn't *really* make sense in a logical way. Some of the rhymes are a bit too neat and/or anachronistic (a bit too overtly 60s folk, especially when accompanied by the vocal stylings of the era): rag man selling you his rags/ ..his life must be a drag. Also your guitar is a bit distractingly out of tune for my ear.
Ledford - I hate getting attacked by nuclear aardvarks.
James Owens - Excellent flautistry, if that wasn't 'real' it sounded like it to me. Overall I really enjoyed the feel of everything. The only thing I'd suggest if you decide to make future changes to this song is switch the instrumentation a bit in the 2:00 to 3:00 stretch. The piano does it's thing almost uniformly throughout the piece and I think I wanted a little bit of variation.
toby roktot - Tune your instrument next time, please! Also this feels a bit too homogenous for my taste. If I click randomly through the song at different points I would not be able to tell where in the song I am, except maybe the first and last 15 seconds.
Paco - That ridiculously well-done guitar solo in the center is almost too good for the pining mediocrity that the rest of the song is lamenting. I really do think that solo should be more idiosynchratic and slightly less technically badass.
Grill Shotz - Pretty good rapping through most of it. Things get awkward a bit at 1:15: 'when you grill it up it's more like a moss'? In the end this a pretty good example of culinary braggadocio.
Darrick Lucas - Also pretty good fluting here! Whereas the rapper above kind've gets away with using cheesy 11/10, 110% tropes, I want to hold this style of music to a different standard - classy subtlety and nuance, so the lyrics don't quite hit me exactly where I want them to throughout, but I enjoyed how it meandered around in its melancholy.
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The BSS song this week was written and features vocals and acoustic guitar by mico saudad. Awesome work, mico! Otherwise, it's Ken on drums, me on keys and bass, and glennny on tasty lead guitar.
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And by the way, I like how voting works nowadays. How long ago has that been in place?
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Paco Del Stinko wrote:I can mail you a copy if really interested.
That would be très cool, as we sometimes say in Canada! In fact you should post an MP3 on this very board, so people can hear what I'm talking about. I don't understand why it's not on the Internet any more.
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mico saudad wrote: James Owens - Excellent flautistry, if that wasn't 'real' it sounded like it to me.
That's a real flute all right, from my high school days when Jethro Tull was the bees' knees.

You're right about it needing a breakdown.
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mico saudad wrote:And by the way, I like how voting works nowadays. How long ago has that been in place?
A few years now. And yeah, it's nice... helps to mitigate friendfloods (and when the rare flood does happen it is usually painfully transparent).
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Why can't we see the vote totals - or does that show up at the end?
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darricklucas wrote:Why can't we see the vote totals - or does that show up at the end?
That shows up at the end. Notice how last week's fight, "Who Called the Ape", is linked from the home page? Follow the link and you'll see the totals for that fight.

You should definitely spend some time looking around the site.
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Sweet solo Paco! Big vote from me! The rest of the song is great too, but wow that solo is tasty!
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Kip Lightning wrote:So, Ive been listening to all the songs this morning while driving and I've come to a newbie conclusion: Listen to the songs a few times before reviewing. Lesson learned.
What in particular 'drove' you to this conclusion (pun intended)
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Berkeley Social Scene - This is an unusually warm, intimate sound for BSS, at least from what I've heard. The lyrics are a little weak in places; for example, "Is it a three? Is it a ten?" doesn't add much emotionally or even rhetorically. But I notice this only in contrast to the setting. The musical performances are sensitive, the vocals attractive and moving, the composition pretty and interesting, the arrangements dynamic yet subdued. This song creates a mood. Easily a vote.

Darrick Lucas - Ah, Darrick Lucas. I posted your review to the Justin Beiber fan site, because they get a lot more traffic; just look for the most popular thread. Actually that's not true; I was going to review your song there, but you seem to have the all answers you need already, and besides, you don't listen so good (and please don't bother correcting my grammar!), so I decided not to bother. -- OK, OK, seriously. I'll just put your attitude in the forums down to Asperger's or bad drugs or some other source of social ineptitude, and review you anyway. It's a pretty good song, in a drifting, lounge-music sort of way. The harmonies are rich, the melody varied and evocative, if not particularly memorable, and the accompaniment well-designed, notably the repeating flute line that marks a pause. The phrasing is a little drawn out for my tastes, even for this genre; it sounds like you're waiting for praise. The singing tone is very good in the main register, but it's uneven in the lower registers, and sometimes pitchy. The piano stylings are not stellar, but they get the job done. You need a little work on recording the flute and french horn (or whatever it is), bringing them closer to the mic to pick up their warmth, and you need to mix and produce them better. (I infer from some of the breathing that it's a real flute, but I could be wrong.) They could use some ambience so they don't sound like they're in a living room, and they need to be tighter and more present and responsive to the song, so they don't feel like they're being dragged along with it. I spent this much time on you because your song shows musical promise, but I worry it's all just going to slide off as you explain to me why I'm wrong on every point. In that case, of course, I won't waste any more of your time.

For Rachael - The singing is stylized to the point of being eccentric and distracting. The words send disturbingly mixed messages, and if they have anything to do with "A Scale of 1 to 10," I missed it. I like the moodiness of the acoustic guitar, and I like the way you completely replace it with a thickly distorted guitar, devoid of rhythmic features, for contrast. The beat box starts to wear on me though.

Grill Shotz - This seems like a more economical approach to the genre than most. The repeating guitar is not as hooky as I might expect, and the relative silence makes the background seem strangely transparent and uneventful. The chorus, with its edgy guitars and layered and echoed vocals, is much more sonically rewarding. The vocal delivery throughout is punchy, rhythmically imaginative, and generally convincing. One of the better songs in the fight.

James Owens - I tossed this one off quickly. It's derivative, the lyrics involve bad philosophy about Wittgenstein's "beetle in a box" problem (basically), I messed up the stereo placements and some of the mixing, and yes, I see now that it desperately needs a change of arrangement after the flute solo. But I got it in before the deadline and still kept my day job.

Ledford - The arrangement certainly has vision, although I don't know why you send the bass down a semitone just to make it flat. I do like the way the guitar caresses the vocal lines in places. A very sparse sound, and a song that does not take itself too seriously; bright and clean in the recording and mixing. I have the impression the singing is not trying to be extremely accurate. Instead of eleven, this one references going to zero, which is different.


Lightning Shark - I love this one, it's just so out there. The Dick-Dale slide-in on the second guitar sets the mood, then finds a groove in reckless howling, while the rhythm, bass and drums force the song forward like there's no other direction. The urgent lead vocals with their stressed scan, the madcap chorus, the general intensity, all make for a gripping experience. I haven't heard a scream that good since The Beatles covered "Twist and Shout." For sure, a vote.


Paco del Stinko - Along with the usual expert performance and recording, this works many thoughtful parts together, integrating them perfectly into a smooth texture. The deft lead guitar playing deserves all the notice it's getting, but let's not underrate that clever standing background lick in the verses, and the way it plays off against the bass punctuations, and the way the synthesizer is sprinkled so judiciously and tastefully in all the right places. So detailed, and yet it seems so effortless.

Paul Hubert - This heads straight into Dylaneqsue folk in places, but the chorus is more in the pop/rock vein. I think the folk aspects come off better; they feel more natural, and they play well with the guy-and-guitar recording. The overall song suffers a bit from the musical ambiguity. If you wanted to take this on the road you would have to go for crisper, more detailed guitar playing. As for the lyrics, which tend to take centre stage under these circumstances, they have some good moments, but also some places where they feel like they've been said before, which hampers their effectiveness.

toby roktot - This gentle, tuneful song has potential, but the recording hides it. Everything feels crowded into a tiny recording booth in the middle of my head, except for an almost imperceptible jangly noise way out in left field. there's also some imprecision in the ryhthms between the various instruments, and some muddiness in the guitar playing (I think you're hitting some strings that the chord books mark with an 'X'). If you can address these technical problems (and the tuning, of course), your composition and arrangement will come through better.
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Thanks for the thoughts ajOwens!
Yeah I agree, 'is it a three, is it a ten' is not the pinnacle of lyricsmithing, for sure...
I'll try to think of a phrase to replace that, that does a better job of getting across the ridiculousness of experiencing life on a point scale...
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Personally I actually liked that phrase. It's not something everybody used and I also liked the (deliberate?) ambivalence. I also liked that the title was in there without it necessarily being a huge focus of the song. My $0.02.
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I know this isn't the right thread, but this is where it was discussed...
filename now on the front page.

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Thanks, Spud!
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You're quite welcome fluffy. God, this code is cranky.
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