Site Design

sausage boy · Post by **sausage boy** » Tue May 02, 2006 12:57 am

I for one am appalled at the way you are treating this. This fellow had a legitimate concern, and it has been turned into a farce. Shame!

Oh, this is my site idea.

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:03 am

i think you might be out of the pirate club, sir.

the panel will be convened!

please dont leave the pirate club

sausage boy · Post by **sausage boy** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:06 am

Let me explain my site idea.

I looked at the layout and the target market and I weighted up the existing identity and goodwill. Factoring all that in, I developed an idea tree, which I had to incorporate into the design to produce the best response. The tree follows:

1. Spud.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:13 am

frankie big face · Post by **frankie big face** » Tue May 02, 2006 4:10 am

blue wrote:ftr, the one-fight movement is wrong and wrong-headed and largely composed of crochety EX-songfighters who have been forcibly removed from the panel for forgetting where they left the centrum silver.

that seems like a silly reason to be forcibly removed from the panel. also, you spelled crotchety wrong. NOW GET OFF MY LAWN.

Caravan Ray · Post by **Caravan Ray** » Tue May 02, 2006 4:16 am

The Anchors wrote:Nothing is funnier than dumbasses not knowing when to stop, and then losing all of their money.

you're right. that cracks me up

Deal or No Deal is cool

The Anchors · Post by **The Anchors** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:14 am

I love when Howie goes, "Open the case..... after this commercial!" It tricks the audience every time.

And spudfight totally rules.

Sober · Post by **Sober** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:31 am

frankie big face wrote:
blue wrote:...crochety...
...you spelled crotchety wrong...

Obviously, Blue was drawing a comparison to the craft of crocheting, similar to sewing.

And, I am for using 'noob' as needed.

Kill Me Sarah · Post by **Kill Me Sarah** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:15 am

fluffy wrote:<a href="http://beesbuzz.biz/~fluffy/songflow.png">wait wait wait I've got it</a>

Hahahahaha...brilliant!

[Edit] I've checked out your site and you've made me an insta-fan. I love your design. People forget that content is supposed to come first on sites and that sites are then supposed to be designed around the content and not the other way around. Also, I'm thoroughly depressed about what happened to >3. I know I was curious about her.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue May 02, 2006 9:22 am

kill_me_sarah wrote:I've checked out your site and you've made me an insta-fan. I love your design. People forget that content is supposed to come first on sites and that sites are then supposed to be designed around the content and not the other way around.

Thanks. :) The ironic thing (in the context of this greater thread) is that I use weblogging software to manage my whole site these days; there's only three template sets for my whole site (one for the comic, one for the weblog, and one for everything else), and for the most part it's just changing out stylesheets to make the various "fluffy's stuff" pages fit the content that's on them. So <a href="http://beesbuzz.biz/music/project/">pages</a> can look <a href="http://beesbuzz.biz/art/words/">very</a> <a href="http://beesbuzz.biz/art/photography/">different</a> even though they're the same underlying HTML.

Also, I'm thoroughly depressed about what happened to >3. I know I was curious about her.

Do not be sad! I think she will still be around sometimes.

Kill Me Sarah · Post by **Kill Me Sarah** » Tue May 02, 2006 1:25 pm

fluffy wrote:for the most part it's just changing out stylesheets to make the various "fluffy's stuff" pages fit the content that's on them.

Have you ever checked out www.csszengarden.com? About the coolest example of stylesheets I've seen

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue May 02, 2006 2:19 pm

Yeah, I have. I don't tend to go that massively-overboard when designing my HTML though, and at that point the CSS is really what's conveying all of the layout to such a ludicrous degree. It's nice as a showcase of how powerful CSS is but for everyday stuff I don't think it's very useful.

Tonamel · Post by **Tonamel** » Tue May 02, 2006 3:48 pm

CSS Zen Garden wrote:This xhtml document is marked up to provide the designer with the maximum possible flexibility. There are more classes and extraneous tags than needed, and in a real world situation, it's more likely that it would be much leaner.

That's commented in the source code. So they freely admit that it's a bit excessive. Heck, they've even got six empty divs at the bottom of the page, just in case someone needs them.

If I get some free time, I might try to come up with something for SongFight. Should be an interesting excercise, since I've pretty much only designed blogs so far.

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue May 02, 2006 4:08 pm

check out http://www.zenofbashingnoobs.com for CSS-enabled noob bashing hints.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue May 02, 2006 5:17 pm

Tonamel wrote:
CSS Zen Garden wrote:This xhtml document is marked up to provide the designer with the maximum possible flexibility. There are more classes and extraneous tags than needed, and in a real world situation, it's more likely that it would be much leaner.
That's commented in the source code. So they freely admit that it's a bit excessive. Heck, they've even got six empty divs at the bottom of the page, just in case someone needs them.

Sure, and I'm well aware of that. My point was from the other way around - that csszengarden's example layouts aren't useful for real-world examples as a result (because they generally just end up special-casing every single element on the page anyway).

If I get some free time, I might try to come up with something for SongFight. Should be an interesting excercise, since I've pretty much only designed blogs so far.

The first screenshot I posted was a CSS-based mockup of Songfight I did a while ago, just trying to duplicate the then-current layout in CSS so as to make things more flexible for later while also making it easier to semantically parse (which I have a vested interest in).

DJ Big Dick · Post by **DJ Big Dick** » Tue May 02, 2006 6:54 pm

You like to semantically parse, too? I can't stop, the other night I stayed up until 2 AM semantically parsing.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue May 02, 2006 7:05 pm

Oh yeah, it's totally what does it for me.

Molten · Post by **Molten** » Wed May 03, 2006 9:25 am

blue wrote:check out http://www.zenofbashingnoobs.com for CSS-enabled noob bashing hints.

The link is bad.

Mogosagatai · Post by **Mogosagatai** » Wed May 03, 2006 9:47 am

n00b wrote:The link is bad.

Two thick branches of possiblity stretch out before us.

1) n00b never posts again. He leaves us with a classic-but-not-so-impacting-that-it's-actually-classic first post, and we chuckle at the irony for a moment.

2) Over a long period of time, n00b slowly becomes ingrained into the Song Fight! community, enduring all the overhyped hardships of noobhood, until one day it dawns on us that n00b has become a member of the community, for real--that n00b is not at all a noob, but is in fact a respected songfighter. He's some kind of endearing Screech-type character (or, somehow, I keep comparing him in my mind to Liechty and/or 8LO). Sure, he still makes modest jokes when someone says to a real noob something like "Hey, quit acting like a noob!" ("Heheh, yeah, I guess that <i>is</i> how I act," he'll say, but we all know better, and pretty soon the jokes will be getting old, and, once again ironically, only noobs will make them). He will have redefined noobhood to mean something so much more, somthing between scapegoat and jester and supervillain and messiah and pied piper, and hopefully by then, we'll have thought up a new word for "noob".

Slowly, our neo-definition of "noob" will soak its way through the spongy walls of the internet. Then one day, an old, wizened songfighter will link to Penny Arcade saying "Check out the third panel", in which Gabe uses "noob" in a context that clearly utilizes the new definition. Some noo--er, new guy, will ask, "Yeah, so?" and someone else will explain that, way back when, "noob" meant something else, and it was Song Fight!, and in particular the person known as "n00b", that caused it to change.

In time, the etymology of "noob" as we (will) see it will become lost in the murky waters of hearsay and myth, as (will be) demonstrated by the header at the top of the wikkapeedya article for "noob" (redirected from "n00b") which says, "The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page.". The article lists a bundle of theories that includes, along with the true Song-Fight!-related one, one about the word being defined with respect to Noob Saibot, a character who doesn't necessarily <i>not</i> fit the definition (so, some loudmouth proclaims, it must fit!).

Of all the possiblities on the spectrum between 1) and 2), I'm hopin' we lean towards 2).

john m · Post by **john m** » Wed May 03, 2006 5:27 pm

...nothing to do?

blue · Post by **blue** » Wed May 03, 2006 5:33 pm

j$ · Post by j$ » Wed May 03, 2006 6:14 pm

Bigg-arrrrh!