Can we sue God?

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Can we sue God?

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Sen Ernie Chambers suing god, seeks a permanent injunction ordering God to cease certain harmful activities and the making of terroristic threats.
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What a jackhole. Suing God to highlight the prevalence of frivolous lawsuits is just asking for trouble. I can't think of any beleivers I know who think god is a person. He might as well have sued gravity.
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I heard that God has a pretty good legal team, though.
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Lawyers can go to heaven?
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Post by Hoblit »

lets say you could sue God...

good luck collecting... be it money or arrest.

Either way, I'm with Erik...this guy is just lookin' for trouble...
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This is the plot of a movie starring Billy Connolly.
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WeaselSlayer wrote:This is the plot of a movie starring Billy Connolly.
In the Billy Connolly movie, (The Man Who Sued God, written by the wonderful John Clarke) the character sues God because his fishing boat was destroyed by lightning, and his insurance company refuses to compensate him because it was an "Act of God". Connolly sues the Christian and Jewish churches, claiming they are liable for the loss of his livlihood as they are God's representatives on earth. The movie is mainly about shonky insurance companies.
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This is a very Yesmen kind of stunt, methinks... although I think perhaps the Yesmen are funnier.

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erik wrote:He might as well have sued gravity.
Well yeah, that's the point.
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roymond wrote:
erik wrote:He might as well have sued gravity.
Well yeah, that's the point.
Do you mean, "Yeah, that's the point: that man is an idiot?"

Otherwise, I don't get the point. He sued something that's not a person to show that a lawsuit can be filed against any person. That's poor logic right there.
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At first, I got the impression that he was trying to make an atheist point, not a political one. But I think a friend told me about this and acted like that was the point, so maybe that's where I got that idea. I think suing God because you think he doesn't exist is much funnier, either way.
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erik wrote:
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erik wrote:He might as well have sued gravity.
Well yeah, that's the point.
Do you mean, "Yeah, that's the point: that man is an idiot?"

Otherwise, I don't get the point. He sued something that's not a person to show that a lawsuit can be filed against any person. That's poor logic right there.
No, he wanted to bring attention to frivolous lawsuits. Apparently there are many people who don't recognize them when they see them, so he made one very obvious.
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No, I get all that. But can you really sue something that's not a person/organization?
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if god is omnipotent, he already knows the verdict.
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jack wrote:if god is omnipotent, he already knows the verdict.
I think he knows the verdict because he is omniscient, but being omnipotent means he can also change it :?
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I like when people get all dramatic just to make a stupid or obvious point. I can identify with it.
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erik wrote:No, I get all that. But can you really sue something that's not a person/organization?
Perhaps as much as you can bequeath millions of dollars to a dog.
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These days: if you're not setting yourself on fire, I'm not paying attention to your stupid opinions!
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erik wrote:No, I get all that. But can you really sue something that's not a person/organization?
But God is a person. The Nicene Creed is very clear on that point. "He became man". Unless you are saying that 2 billion Christians in the world are liars and are able to demonstrate that they are lying when they make an affirmation of their faith - how can you say God is not a person?

He also has many organisations which represent his interests. If we just consider the Catholic Church, it is very much a physical corporate entity with very real assets. The Nicene Creed is effectively a policy statement for the organisation ie. it the Pope is the representative of a real, living person who has real financial assets (managed by his representatives).

Why can't he be sued?
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Even if one could find a judge who was willing to overlook the fact that other religious texts deny Jesus was God, Jesus is a dead person. I am not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure you can't sue dead people in America. If dude wants to sue the Catholic Church, then I have no problem with it.
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Caravan Ray wrote:
erik wrote:No, I get all that. But can you really sue something that's not a person/organization?
But God is a person. The Nicene Creed is very clear on that point. "He became man". Unless you are saying that 2 billion Christians in the world are liars and are able to demonstrate that they are lying when they make an affirmation of their faith - how can you say God is not a person?

He also has many organisations which represent his interests. If we just consider the Catholic Church, it is very much a physical corporate entity with very real assets. The Nicene Creed is effectively a policy statement for the organisation ie. it the Pope is the representative of a real, living person who has real financial assets (managed by his representatives).

Why can't he be sued?
1. This would depend on which religion you were going by. Not all believers in God believe that he ever manifested as a person.

2. He would still not have any estate. Akin to suing William Shakespear.

I'm no lawyer but just because a whole bunch of people still follow the Nazi party, can you take them to court for crimes Hitler performed? (Even if we wish we could!)
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Does He even have a postal address to send the paperwork to?
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