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Caravan Ray wrote:My rankings are as follows:

(I will listen to these and rate as I go - rankings will change)


1. Ligers with Attitude - this is awesome. You win.
2. Chocolate Chips: This grew on me the more it went. I like it.
3. Frankie Big Face - cool vox FBF! I have a grumpy curmudgeon surrounding me in my headphones! I like this. Nice crappy guitar sound too. I approve.
4. DJ Ranger Den - excellent Den. This is reminding me of the Triffids for some reason - one of my favourite bands of all time - but they had a deep voiced Perthling singer, not a girlie - whatever accent you have is - but, I like this a lot
5. BGM: Well done. I was entertained.
6. Idiot Kings: THis is pretty cool - I like it. DISCLAIMER: This some how missed making it to my iPod with the other songs - so I have only heard it through the dodgy speakers of my laptop. You are getting some benefit of the doubt
7. Snappy and Floyd: This is pretty damn good. Very entertaining
8. Rabid Garfunkel: You zagged. It got me. A Tom Waite-esqe ice-breaking saga will always get my attention
9. Chris Coggott: Good work and true to form. Let's hear you do better
10. Jon Eric: Very well performed
11. Ross Durand: Adequate
12. Sausage: Likewise, adequate
13. Wreckdom: I expect better
14. ADD - After I solve this Rubik's Cube, I'm gonna watch Family Ties then play some Pacman.
15. Boffyux Dudes: I liked the sound of it - but lost interest in the story pretty quickly
16. Joanne Abbott: Poorly executed (NB. I originally wrote "poorly executed, but I liked your singing - which is of course nonsensical for an a'capella song - but I am not quite sure how else to put that - I did like your singing - but this really didn't work) - but interesting enough for me to rate it higher than it probably deserves and wonder what you will do next.
17. Merisan: Not your best
18. WSA - Disappointing
19. Adamadamant - Welcome back Mr Ant. You can do a lot better than this. Is that a ukulele? WTF is it with ukuleles? Are you Polynesian? If not - put the Uke down. (I'm looking at you too Cashpoint)
20. Oystercatcher: Dull
21. Manhattan Glutton: I liked the bass sound. That is all I liked.
22. Gooey Caramel centaur: The mouth noises put me off. And the singing is pretty dodgy.

supremeedible wrote: Ligers With Attitude
Ha! Brilliant band name!

supremeedible wrote: Frankie Big Face
I have nothing critical to say about this. Ok, that's a lie. You kinda shirked the challenge imo.

supremeedible wrote: Genevieve Something Something A heads up: "I'm not some creepy stalker" really loses any salt with an Australian accent.

frankie big face wrote:

supremeedible wrote: Frankie Big Face
I have nothing critical to say about this. Ok, that's a lie. You kinda shirked the challenge imo.

How do you figure? Because the shouting isn't more prominent in the mix? Or because it's not "significant" enough? Just curious.

supremeedible wrote: Adam Adamant
My first experience of Songfight! was when I decided to listen through the fight 501 when it was current. Yours was the first bearable song I heard, and the line "the Levenshtein distance from you to me is more than the length of our DNA" will be forever with me. Ah, memories.

Caravan Ray wrote:

frankie big face wrote:

supremeedible wrote: Frankie Big Face
I have nothing critical to say about this. Ok, that's a lie. You kinda shirked the challenge imo.

How do you figure? Because the shouting isn't more prominent in the mix? Or because it's not "significant" enough? Just curious.

I didn't pay much attention to the shouting thing - I just noticed you sounded frikkin scary in headphones. You were all around me. That was cool. And disturbing.

frankie big face wrote:

Caravan Ray wrote:

frankie big face wrote:
How do you figure? Because the shouting isn't more prominent in the mix? Or because it's not "significant" enough? Just curious.

I didn't pay much attention to the shouting thing - I just noticed you sounded frikkin scary in headphones. You were all around me. That was cool. And disturbing.

Cool. I decided to try on my low voice for size (with a little support from my high voice).

I just got a tweet from someone who said "good use of the challenge" (and no, it wasn't my mom). So I think I'm probably okay. Don't want to be disqualified for ignoring the challenge until I actually do ignore it!

Geoff WreckdoM wrote:I'm intensely curious to see if the entries that do not have shouting in them are going to get disqualified. I hope not, because some of them are really good, but at the same time, what's the point of having a non optional challenge if contestants don't go along with it?

Caravan Ray wrote: I am one of the shoutiest people here - but I barely broke out of a whisper for this song - relying on an obscure regional definition of the word for my entry.

Generic wrote:

Caravan Ray wrote: I am one of the shoutiest people here - but I barely broke out of a whisper for this song - relying on an obscure regional definition of the word for my entry.

Ohhhhhhh.

Caravan Ray wrote:My rankings are as follows:
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11. Ross Durand: Adequate
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Ross wrote:

Geoff WreckdoM wrote:I'm intensely curious to see if the entries that do not have shouting in them are going to get disqualified. I hope not, because some of them are really good, but at the same time, what's the point of having a non optional challenge if contestants don't go along with it?

Interesting comment. I am totally wit you on the question of the point of a non-optional challenge. I doubt they'll DSQ anyone in round zero. I have not heard all songs yet, but have to admit that I could not hear anything I thought of as shouting in the Merisan tune, which is really good and is getting ranked high by several non-judges. And honestly, for all the fun mde of rules clarification, someday someone really should define "significant" - I find it a tough parameter to work with and historically it doesn't seem to be of much meaning - might as well just say use of shouting.

Nur Ein

Generic wrote:

Ross wrote:

Geoff WreckdoM wrote:I'm intensely curious to see if the entries that do not have shouting in them are going to get disqualified. I hope not, because some of them are really good, but at the same time, what's the point of having a non optional challenge if contestants don't go along with it?

Interesting comment. I am totally wit you on the question of the point of a non-optional challenge. I doubt they'll DSQ anyone in round zero. I have not heard all songs yet, but have to admit that I could not hear anything I thought of as shouting in the Merisan tune, which is really good and is getting ranked high by several non-judges. And honestly, for all the fun mde of rules clarification, someday someone really should define "significant" - I find it a tough parameter to work with and historically it doesn't seem to be of much meaning - might as well just say use of shouting.

Nur Ein

To the best of my knowledge, no one has ever been outright disqualified from Nur Ein for any reason other than failing to turn in a song before the deadline. However, songs that don't satisfy the challenge adequately are subject to lower rankings by the jury, at each judge's own discretion. Some judges take the challenges more seriously than others. I recall, for instance, when Ross was a judge, he wasn't afraid to dock a few ranks from otherwise good songs for failing to meet the challenge (or, in one case, the title) to his satisfaction.

Seeing as the only real penalty comes in the form of your rankings, then it seems that there was no real risk involved in failing to heed the challenge at all in Round 0, unless you assumed that eliminations would be occurring this round (attendance greater than 25). Seeing as the last time that happened was in 2007, I think most of us would have been surprised. That does effectively mean that challenge-shirkers get a freebie in Round 0 (and if they're as professional-sounding as Merisan or Chris Cogott, probably the first few rounds after that), but eschewing the challenge will eventually come back to haunt you if you do it indiscriminately.

frankie big face wrote:I believe I was disqualified for not meeting the challenge a few years ago for my "Whale" song. But I didn't really care--that was a good song and I wasn't about to ruin it with pots and pans.

Generic wrote:

frankie big face wrote:I believe I was disqualified for not meeting the challenge a few years ago for my "Whale" song. But I didn't really care--that was a good song and I wasn't about to ruin it with pots and pans.

That was during my extended absence from the Songfight community, so I had to go back and check the thread, but it seems that you were not actually "disqualified." You just got ranked lower by the judges for (among other reasons) misinterpreting the challenge. It's actually kind of difficult to tell what role was played by your interpretation of the challenge; of the three judges who posted reviews, none of them actually verbalized any complaint about your dinnerware sound effects. It seems most of them were complaining about the skit-like aspects of the track interfering with their enjoyment of the songs.

Even so, if the challenge interpretation was the deal-breaker, it still turned out the way I described above - rather than being disqualified, your interpretation was reflected in your ranking.

I really like that way of dealing with the problem, because it gives more agency to the judges. I recall there was a minor controversy in Spintunes once when a well-liked song was disqualified on a technicality, and I don't see any reason why a song shouldn't progress if the judges all actually agree that it should.

frankie big face wrote:

supremeedible wrote: Frankie Big Face
I have nothing critical to say about this. Ok, that's a lie. You kinda shirked the challenge imo.

How do you figure? Because the shouting isn't more prominent in the mix? Or because it's not "significant" enough? Just curious.

Caravan Ray wrote:

supremeedible wrote: Genevieve Something Something A heads up: "I'm not some creepy stalker" really loses any salt with an Australian accent.

I am curious. What do you mean by that?