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Leaf wrote:My theory is that the quarintine note was not to keep people out of the hatch, but rather the ISLAND was the quarantined zone, and it was labelled such to keep the island out of the hatch... if you get my drift.

... insert great minds think alike cliche.

Leaf wrote:

Leaf wrote:My theory is that the quarintine note was not to keep people out of the hatch, but rather the ISLAND was the quarantined zone, and it was labelled such to keep the island out of the hatch... if you get my drift.

... insert great minds think alike cliche.

he did call it a random thought and you know leaf, you are the king of random thoughts here.

this season: so far so good. des is an interesting cat who i hope they keep around.

the big question. in the trailer for next week, jin speaks perfect english. what the fuck?!?

Ok. Here's my thoughts on this...

Now, I've only seen Season 1 ep. 1-6, and the season finale, maybe a few in between, and I've seen about half of season two, but here's my thoughts!



1. First premise: they are all dead. Anyone who is injured, like the cop, teh pilot, are merely devices to facilitate these lost souls. And that's what they are. Lost souls in purgatory. Think about it: They have a conflict, like ...damn... I forget dad's name, but he loses Walt... and then they flash back to his real life, and his struggles at losing Walt. In the second episode, Boone tells his sister to stop sitting there all useless and she has a fit...later on we learn that she has issues with being worthless. THE SECOND anyone get's pissed off, the island reacts to the anger. The SECOND anyone solves their
issues, they seem to die. How do they all walk from a plane crash without even whiplash?? Cause they didn't. They are dead. All the monsters are demons. only thing is, I so far haven't seen much evidence of angels...

2. Second premise: I don't like the whole theory that they have been captured by aliens ...seems way too convienient and frankly, REALLY lame.

3. Third premise: Teh french woman's whole "they are all dead" radio message... so, 16 years ago, this all happened... a crew of people arrived on the island, and everyone died except her. Seems like that is repeating. Now, this could fit into the purgatory idea, cause you could figure that she never solved her issues, so she remained until she could... OR the island could be like a bermuda triangle kinda trip..which means...

4. fourth premise: I 'm not quite sure I'm using the word premise right here...

5. forget the premise bit, but I wonder if perhaps it's like a B. Triangle, then the whole point is that you can not escape the island. This seems rather dumb to me too though...


So far, I'm sold on the idea that it's purgatory...


Also, second episode, does not Locke seem like a racist pedeophile when he describes backgammon to Walt?

I like how this show cleverly sets up stuff, and then throws a bizarre twist into the mix... so far, it hasn't been too predicitable in it's plot, despite teh use of the cliche character types J$ complained about (although teh value of that is much the same as teh value of a I IV V progression...everyone can relate, especially if you find a way to do it taht has a unique feel to it) and despite the obvious device of presenting an issue, flashing back to it's "real life" origins and then moving it on...

Rome and Lost. Two best shows out there right now.

The show's creator has said that they aren't all dead.

Damn him.

He might just be saying that to throw people off the scent ...

Two theories -
1. Like PKD's 'Maze of Death' they are in some kind of virtual simulator which rsponds to their thoughts - would explain manifestations, and also the way that whenever anyone (Said, Claire, Charlie) could explain their 'abductions'/ 'disappearances' they can't remember anything. They have been for one reason or another dragged out of the simulator.

2. The writers have no fucking idea beyond the cool idea. The series will end with i) a terrible cop-out ending (like 1) or ii) like the X-files, not really answering anything.

j$

X files is a pretty good comparison actually.

it seems as if there's alot less talk/motivation now to actually get off the island, or get rescued, as there was in the first season. the focus on this season seems to be more of survival of the "elements", which include The Others, as well as all the other weird crap the island throws at them (the doomsday device, etc). also, it's interesting that the writers would introduce new characters into the storyline without developing the existing ensemble cast members more, like the michelle rodriguez character is getting lots of lines, but other periphery characters from the first season still get ignored.

the whole hatch/des/doomsday button thing seems pointless though, and the better storyline seems to be the one involving The Others. I wouldn't be surprised if the hatch stuff fades from the storyline.

also, i really didn't see shannon getting killed off. but after her big, sappy, self serving, do-you-like-me confessional to sayid, i guess it was inevitable.

SPOILERSPOILERSPOILERSBLABLABLALBLABLALBLAH


Yeah, that's the thing about this season that's so damn annoying: the breakneck speed at which new twists and turns are introduced, and then seemingly forgotten. I guess Season 1 did the same thing, but alot more of the seemingly disconnected storylines seemed to connect up at some point.

A comparison to X-Files is apt, but the most glaring (and ultimately dangerous) difference is that X-Files struck a balance between shows that were considered canon (ones that advanced the overall plot of Mulder finding out about his family, and whatever that evolved into) and shows that were considered standalone eps, like when they discover Amish hermaphrodite mole people, or whatever. The standalones gave them a chance to figure out where the canon shows were going to be heading, and gave people a breather from all the plot, as it were.

But in Lost, every show is canon. Or it seems like they are. At some point there's going to be so much unresolved stuff that people are going to start calling bullshit. Like in the beginning, it was cool because it was all "Holy crap, this island is totally bizarre!", but now we're like "Yeahyeahyeah, we know that it IS bizarre, but can we figure out WHY it's bizarre, in any small way, even just a little bit?"

It seems kind of weak to kill off the Shannon character (assuming that's what they did), and then say that the next 2 eps will focus on the Taillies. It seems like more of the same, introduce a big WOW!!!!11!! thing, and then introduce another on top of it. Instead of like, introduce one thing, and then develop a linear narrative from that for a bit before introducing something else. Like, I really really want to see what happens between Sayid and Angry Latina Leader. I think that showing the story of what happened when the tail split is straight up genius, but crap, the timing seems lousy.

One Honey-Sweet Spoiler

Did anybody else have a little "Finally Shannon's Dead!" celebration? I did.

... so I just finished perrusing the various lost websites...my FAVOURITE little lostism that's quite interesting is to enter the numbers (can't remember what they are right now...sorry) into your command prompt while holding down the alt key...


the symbol for "mu" appears...and mu is one of the lost continent myths out there...

I LOVE writing like that!

I also realized that there are a whack of people out there far beyond my understanding of this show... some crazy theories..


I'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that these producers will NOT do an x-files, but will in fact explain their story...gradually...


And there are some people with ALOT of time on their hands out there! A whole website dedicated to the fictious band driveshaft??

Anyone remember twin peaks? That's how I find this show..I haven't seen something that's sucked my in to the mystery since that show...

erikb wrote:......... like when they discover Amish hermaphrodite mole people, or whatever.

man, i just have to say i freaking LOVED that episode. and in some ways, i'd argue that the writing of the X files was stronger than lost, but Lost is still young and i'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now. the writing is good on Lost, but tends to stray from linear alot. what you mentioned about mulder's search was the kind of big picture motivation device Lost lacks.

but i completely agree with you erik. it was really excellent how they ended the last episode, but you're right about the fact that there's alot of one time revelations going left unresolved. like the doomsday thing. who's sitting there pushing the button? jack? is that why he was MIA last episode?

and yeah, i'm dying (no pun intended) to see what sayid does next. he had a serious postal look in his eye.

<a href="http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2006/04/ ... ek.html">J J Abrams</a> wrote the themesong himself. And he has a SIDstation! OMG!

STOP FUCKING WITH MY MIND.



What's more annoying, the way this show manages to keep you hooked on it's crack-induced plot line, or the way they get you into it only to bring you down with three weeks of re-runs between each episode?



I don't think Libby is dead. She had a blanket in her lap. It's a common household fact that blankets can stop up to three bullets at a time, and he only shot her with TWO. (Uh, two bullets, not blankets).


I do love this show...

Aaaah, seriously. And the whole DUI/killed off thing is mighty suspicious. (You heard about that, yeah?)

Nice eyepatch.

I walked into the living room(where my brother was watching Lost) after having been at a concert all night. I came in just as he was about to shoot. And boom. One good thing about Lost is that you can come in at the end and still get the whole gist of the episode

Judging from Sharon's death we should be seeing these two in the multiplex pretty quick. They should have ended the episode with double-whammy ads for the crappy horror movies they'll undoubtedly be appearing in before fading into obscurity.

I netflix'd season 1 disc 1 to see what all the hype was about and now I'm hooked. got through all of season 1 in the last week. starting season 2 tonight. can't read any of this thread. real drag. hopefully I'll be current by the time the next episode airs.

I have so far seen one (1) episode of Lost, the one which talks about that lady's terminal illness and her domineering husband and the psychic healer and blah blah blah.

now that's what i call a god damned season finale!

jack wrote:now that's what i call a god damned season finale!

Ditto.



SPOILER:


So... if they are in the future now, WHY is Jack's Dad ALIVE? ("you get my dad down here....if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me".


TRIPPY!


Looking forward to the next episodes... next... February...sheesh.

Leaf wrote:

jack wrote:now that's what i call a god damned season finale!

Ditto.



SPOILER:


So... if they are in the future now, WHY is Jack's Dad ALIVE? ("you get my dad down here....if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me".


TRIPPY!


Looking forward to the next episodes... next... February...sheesh.

so funny....5 minutes ago my co-worker and i were discussing the same thing!

but damn......2 hours of of the best television this year. and a great ending.