the ultimate sidefight survivor?

Niveous · Post by **Niveous** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:13 pm

There's no need for all this drama. We'll just go back to the original 3 judge system and say no harm, no foul.

jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:14 pm

ok. johnny and i will do it. under one condition. we get this show on the road. and no more rules.

j$ · Post by j$ » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:18 pm

Right, ummm, how to back-track without looking like a total dick?:

I will be a judge for Nur Ein, with 2 others or 4 others. I believe Jack will join me in this.

Right, ummm, how to back-track without looking like a total dick?: Oh, that's right, I can't. Ah well, apologies for this interruption to your regular viewing....

j$

jack · Post by **jack** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 9:19 pm

yes. 5 judges. can we start now?

stueym · Post by **stueym** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 10:20 pm

Wow this is almost as annoyingly amusing to watch as the real thing. Was this like the Martha letter from "The Donald" produced a week before the new show to pump up ratings and interest?

Now let's get on with this and get the music grooving!

Niveous · Post by **Niveous** » Fri Feb 24, 2006 11:56 pm

Yes. No more changes. 5 judges as Jack said and the game will start during the first week of March, give us some time to build the website.

Geoff WreckdoM · Post by **Geoff WreckdoM** » Sat Feb 25, 2006 1:34 pm

Sweetness! Now I'm excited. This is a bad ass line up, judges and entrants, but all the same, we will be wiping the mat with all you punk ass chumps!

sausage boy · Post by **sausage boy** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:09 am

This has been like actual reality Tv, sitting back, watching as the main protagonists to and fro.

Beginning of March sounds excellent. I will sit in a medetative state until then, contemplating.

Actually, no. I might just stock up on the creative fuel of beer and corn chips.

Lyricburglar · Post by **Lyricburglar** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:20 am

Can the contestants vote the judges out?

...just a thought

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:58 am

If I were a TV exec I would invest in the rights to Nur Ein.
Give each contestant and judge a DV cam (for video diary) and a $15,000 fee.
Including post, airfare, hotels and studio for the slick 'here they are altogether' shot I should think around $1,000,000 would do it.
I'd end up with a serial that would syndicate worldwide and be shown on MTV for ever and a day, an album, and maybe even a hit off it too...
If I were a TV exec.

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 11:24 am

sausage boy wrote:This has been like actual reality Tv, sitting back, watching as the main protagonists to and fro.

Beginning of March sounds excellent. I will sit in a medetative state until then, contemplating.

Actually, no. I might just stock up on the creative fuel of beer and corn chips.

HAHAHHAHAHA!!! I KNOW YOUR SECRET.

Corn chips.

I shall purchase....corn chips.

HAHAH!!! SUCKER!

stueym · Post by **stueym** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 12:08 pm

Kamakura wrote:If I were a TV exec I would invest in the rights to Nur Ein.
Give each contestant and judge a DV cam (for video diary) and a $15,000 fee.
Including post, airfare, hotels and studio for the slick 'here they are altogether' shot I should think around $1,000,000 would do it.
I'd end up with a serial that would syndicate worldwide and be shown on MTV for ever and a day, an album, and maybe even a hit off it too...
If I were a TV exec.

Pitch that sucker...no really, I mean it, pitch it!!...sounds better than doing my real life for several days/weeks/months (delete as appropriate related to your degree of confidence in surviving!)

sausage boy · Post by **sausage boy** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:19 pm

Even if you got knocked out in the first round, you still get brought in to talk about how much you love the other contestants and how well you have been doing. Plus, if you are voted off, you instantly start recording an album with one of the judges as producer.

And then there is the public appearances, TV commercials, sponsor events.

Oh, and Leaf. Just because you know the secret, does not mean you know how to wield it!

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 6:38 pm

sausage boy wrote:... you instantly start recording an album with one of the judges as producer.

A very difficult choice... But if you had a choice, which Judge would you choose to work with, and why?

Not that anybody is going to say at this point!

Geoff WreckdoM · Post by **Geoff WreckdoM** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 7:00 pm

sausage boy wrote:Even if you got knocked out in the first round, you still get brought in to talk about how much you love the other contestants and how well you have been doing.

Naw, we'll be the ones talkin' trash and smack the whole time and then go balisitic when we get voted off. The commercial would have an ominous voice going "This week, see what happens when one contestant goes over the edge" and they'll show a shot of me throwing a chair while cursing out the judges, it'll be sweet. It'll boost the nielson ratings too. Did I mention I view this as a FOX show?

sausage boy · Post by **sausage boy** » Sun Feb 26, 2006 8:20 pm

Would anyone but FOX touch this?

If Geoff gets to rage on, I want to be the scruffy punk guy who cleans up and finds jesus, comes second and releases a song about ho's.

Jim of Seattle · Post by **Jim of Seattle** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 1:30 am

Damn, go do stuff for a weekend and all hell breaks loose. This is going to be fun.

Bolio · Post by **Bolio** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 12:54 pm

Not gonna be easy being more entertaining than the judges!

Mogosagatai · Post by **Mogosagatai** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:08 pm

I'm not looking for a change but for a clarification: How exactly will the judging work?

So we rank the bands (25 for the best, 1 for the worst) and then just add up the points? I thought Niveous said something about judges "reaching a concensus". Also, I think there's a more accurate way to rank contestants (okay, I said I wasn't looking for a change, but seriously, this makes way more sense--this doesn't affect the contestants' or judges' decisions at all; it just makes the ranking more accurate):

Each judge ranks the contestants. Now for every pair of contestants, we can see which one is ranked higher by each judge. Treat that like a 5-way vote, and the vote'll determine who gets ranked higher (of that specific contestant pair) in the final ranking of the round.

It is possible (albeit unlikely) for a paper-rock-scissors-like scenario to occur (A<B<C<A...). In this case, we could take into account how far apart the ranks of the troublemakers are and recalculate by that (for example, instead of just saying A<B, say A<B by 15 points). That, or just let the judges debate on it until someone makes a change. Paper-rock-scissors loops shouldn't happen very often (if ever). I know people are gonna get mad because I'm suggesting yet another change, but really, this isn't a change that affects anyone except the person who tallies up the judges' votes. (Who's doing that, by the way? I'll do it if no one else will. My suggested ranking system would require some tediousness, but if I were doing the tallying I'd write a computer program to handle it. Someone else could double-check my work to make sure I ain't cheatin'.) And yeah, it also affects the contestants by giving them a more accurate ranking system. I don't think that should bother anyone.

Is there any kind of debate where we try to change each others minds? If so, is it in public or behind closed doors? If it's behind closed doors... where? A chatroom, I guess?

Don't throw things at me.

sausage boy · Post by **sausage boy** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 4:56 pm

I am happy for the judges to decide for themselves, however they wish, behind closed doors. Virtual closed doors, of course.

erik · Post by **erik** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:25 pm

Mogosagatai wrote:It is possible (albeit unlikely) for a paper-rock-scissors-like scenario to occur (A<B<C<A...). In this case, we could take into account how far apart the ranks of the troublemakers are and recalculate by that (for example, instead of just saying A<B, say A<B by 15 points). That, or just let the judges debate on it until someone makes a change. Paper-rock-scissors loops shouldn't happen very often (if ever). I know people are gonna get mad because I'm suggesting yet another change, but really, this isn't a change that affects anyone except the person who tallies up the judges' votes.

There's 300 pairings in the first round alone. Factor in that the 5 judges have different tastes in music, and I'd bet that somewhere in there there's a loop of some sort. This changes affects everyone of the contestants because it is not easily justifiable. Under the currently outlined plan, everyone can see and verify exactly which people where voted off. Your plan requires computer programs, and possibly people changing their votes. That's going to upset and confuse people, unnecessarily. No, the 1-25 point scale is not the most fair way to do it, but it's the easiest to understand.

Mogosagatai · Post by **Mogosagatai** » Mon Feb 27, 2006 5:58 pm

Are you upset and confused, Erik?--not a taunt, I'm just asking. I mean, if anyone really is, to an aggravated extent, then say so. We could just not do it that way, but it's silly to not do something that's more fair and accurate just because it's hard for some people to understand. And is anyone really having trouble understanding what I outlined? It's tedious, but not really complicated. Got any questions about it, ask 'em.

erikb wrote:Under the currently outlined plan, everyone can see and verify exactly which people where voted off. Your plan requires computer programs,...

...and everyone can see and verify exactly which people were voted off in my system, too. Verification might be a little harder (though I'd send the program to whoever asked), but it's also just reasonable to take the word of the people doing the tallying, and of a computer program (which I assume other people would doublecheck to make sure it's properly written). Oh, and also, computer programs aren't required at all: it wouldn't take longer than 30 minutes to do it by hand for 25 contestants.

...and possibly people changing their votes.

Let's scratch that idea. It'll be easier to just take into account the differences in ranks between paper-rock-scissoring contestants, and use the newly weighted inequalities to sort the loop out.

That last paragraph is definitely the most confusing part of this plan. If anyone's not clear on it and wants to be, say so.

But yeah, I'd hate to see us lower our standards of accuracy just to make to make the system easier to understand. I mean, I don't fully understand how airplanes work, but I'll ride 'em, and I'll take the word of the makers and inspectors that they're up to standard.