The Song Fight Bulletin Board

sdurand wrote:Dan-O,
I was having this problem too. I just got a pair of Sony 7506 headphones and they have a coiled cord that doesn't droop down to the floor. They are also excellent headphones for monitoring because they have a very flat response.

Steve

I thought those Sony's were crazy hyped in the high end, but perhaps it is a different model. It makes them good for tracking, but not mixing. I am looking to get a pair of Sennheiser 560 for that.

No vocals in the headphones? That is just crazy. How does the vocalist hear themself?

Ken

ken wrote:
No vocals in the headphones? That is just crazy. How does the vocalist hear themself?

Ken

One side of the headphones completely off the ear. That's standard practice unless you're in an iso booth.

From all the studio guys I've talked to, the BeyerDynamics are the best headphones you can get. Super comfortable, as well.

blue wrote:i highly recommend recording vox without monitoring the voice. someone.. George Massey, maybe, was bitching about vocalists who listen to themselves sing and end up chasing their voice in the cans rather than singing the part. at least with our singer, this is spot on.

blue is right. I like no vocal monitor and one headphone ear half off; sure there's a little monitor bleeding onto the vocal track, but it's more important to be in tune. If I sing monitored, I go sharp. Always. Every time. Even when I think I'm trying hard not to. "Chasing their voice in the cans" is absolutely, hilariously right.

I used to think it was because of the inevitable microseconds of delay; my brain is trying to correct yester-microsecond's pitch, which leads me farther off, so there's more correction...like vocal fish-tailing. But I think it's true of doubling a vocal track, too: I need to turn the original way, way down or I go sharp. Better yet, I've spent an hour or so singing along with the original so I get the timing and inflection down, then record the doubled track without any of the original. I've only had the disclipline to do that a couple times, but it works well.

My friend used to always say something about if your vocal is too loud in the headphones you will go sharp and if it is too low you will sing flat. Maybe it was the opposite. I never quite believed him.

I don't listen to my last take when I double vocals. I just sing it the same twice.

Ken

I can't sing without a foldback mix in the cans... Then all of life is a fanasy and perhaps I can't sing anyway.

However wyhiwyg

The Sober Irishman wrote:Anything in Sennheiser's 1400 series should do the trick. That's what I used to have.

I couldn't find any Sennheiser 1400... is that right?
-bill

HeuristicsInc wrote:

The Sober Irishman wrote:Anything in Sennheiser's 1400 series should do the trick. That's what I used to have.

I couldn't find any Sennheiser 1400... is that right?
-bill

Sorry, I was referring to anything that began with '1400' - They've got a 1450 out now I'm pretty sure, and I had 1445's at some point.

yeah, i know what you mean, but on this page:
http://www.sennheiser.com/sennheiser/ic ... n&overview
there is nothing like 1400-anything there.
or am i looking at the wrong thing?
-bill

I just purchased a pair of Sennheiser 580s for mixing. Very excited.

Ken