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jolly roger wrote:

blue wrote:JRODGER: playin' along with those "how to be in pantera" CDs again?

I've never listened to Pantera before, so could you elaborate? Am I sounding like a cheap rippoff band of something I've never listened to?

super generic metal riffs with no attempt at even writing a song.. yeah. i admit to not finishing your song, three times. every time that second bit started, i had had enough.

blue wrote:JoS: lots of poor timing decisions here. i hear what you're going for, but, as usual, the pounding, overwhelming use of the hook ruins it. i could really dig this for the angularity of the timing if not for the doop-de-doos and the lyrics.

Hmmm. Could you elaborate a little? "As usual" implies you've told me that before about the hook, but I don't recall that complaint from you. Maybe I'm forgetting. Also, truth be told, I think the vocal track got knocked out of sync somehow, because it rushes the beat in a few places, and I don't think I did that when I sang it. I know the lyrics and doops are not your cup of tea, but as I used Virtual Guitarist and BFD, both locked right into the beat, I'm curious where you're hearing that.

I'm gonna have reviews done by tomorrow hopefully.

Leaf wrote:GO LISTEN TO PANTERA AND DAMAGE PLAN NOW.

Why? There is nothing to be learned and it won't be enjoyable.

Jim of Seattle wrote:

blue wrote:JoS: lots of poor timing decisions here. i hear what you're going for, but, as usual, the pounding, overwhelming use of the hook ruins it. i could really dig this for the angularity of the timing if not for the doop-de-doos and the lyrics.

Hmmm. Could you elaborate a little? "As usual" implies you've told me that before about the hook, but I don't recall that complaint from you. Maybe I'm forgetting. Also, truth be told, I think the vocal track got knocked out of sync somehow, because it rushes the beat in a few places, and I don't think I did that when I sang it. I know the lyrics and doops are not your cup of tea, but as I used Virtual Guitarist and BFD, both locked right into the beat, I'm curious where you're hearing that.

Poor Blue. That will teach you to chime in with a review.

In order of decreasing merit:

1. STUEY: Great job. Well written song, beautifully executed. I'd love to duet with you on something lilke this. VOTE

2. KLOWNHOLE: I've always loved the attitude you guys bring - though your music has never really connected with me. This song is almost doing it though. I like this one a lot.

3. BOOTYCHESTERFIELD: Awsome opening - but then it just sort of plateaus - needs a bit more light and shade. Great sound though.

4. PHUNTYF: This is very good. I love the way you sell out to shoot for mass appeal.

5. VANPELTS: Very cool. Nice dynamics in this. I like very much.

6. BJAM: Great vox - really good melody and you're using you voice really well. Some of that guitar is a bit dodgy. Can't you cut out the fluffed notes and paste in good ones from eleswhere in the song? Drums a bit robotic too. Bit more work on the production on this and this would be really first-class.

7. EDGEOFLA: Sparse sounding - but pretty good. The guitar coming in at 1:00 is good. Growing on me. I like this.

8. MILK+: Love the harp. Job well done - probably not my cup of tea really - but I can appreciate the quality here.

9. JOLLYROGER: Great start - then it changes. Shame. The song gets a bit plodding from there

10. JOS: I sort of like this. The song is good and you've done a good job with it. I just have a bit of an unfair bias against children's songs in American accents - they really annoy me. Blame Barney the Dinosaur. If anyone should be locked in Guantanamo Bay and have electrodes attached to his testicles - it's that big, purple fucker.

11. STOLENHOLIDAY: Takes a little too long to get started. Nice sounding and inoffensive - till the falsetto starts - that sucks

and

CARAVANRAY: No, I don't really know what I was trying to do here either....

Jim of Seattle wrote:Hmmm. Could you elaborate a little? "As usual" implies you've told me that before about the hook, but I don't recall that complaint from you. Maybe I'm forgetting. Also, truth be told, I think the vocal track got knocked out of sync somehow, because it rushes the beat in a few places, and I don't think I did that when I sang it. I know the lyrics and doops are not your cup of tea, but as I used Virtual Guitarist and BFD, both locked right into the beat, I'm curious where you're hearing that.

aw man, i thought the vocal thing was intentional. well, that was the only interesting bit of the song.. pretend i didn't even review it

about the hook part, i bitched about it in the windows tune, too - leave a little to the imagination, you slut.

blue wrote:
milk: this is sweet. faked brit accent?

No mate.... Tottenham born and bred..

Honest guvnor!

JoS - I also noticed the thing I think blue is referring to as "timing decisions." There were places in the song where one would expect the guitar, drums and voice to all "chop" a phrase together at one point, but, instead, they were all hitting on different eighth beats. Or somebody was holding a note while the others chopped it off. The guitar and drums may have been locked together in midisync, but it didn't feel, to me, like they were PLAYING together in terms of a common sense of rhythm for the song.

Charles

Bjam: Not a perfect recording in a technical sense. Sounding very monotone to me and monotonous. Doesn’t make me want to really listen closely to the lyrics. Just MY preference, I like to hear a wider vocal range and a melody lines that like to explore movement.

Booty Chesterfield Trio: ROCKIN! but just say NO to drugs. LOL

Caravan Ray: ambient techno… I don’t listen to this type of music much so it got my attention. Would have liked more vocals. A little “treble-eyâ€

blue wrote:super generic metal riffs with no attempt at even writing a song.. yeah. i admit to not finishing your song, three times. every time that second bit started, i had had enough.

Thanks for being so constructive, EDIT@#$%EDIT. It's not like I've only been playing guitar for half a year and trying to improve my playing by riffing, even if it isn't that original. At least tell me something I could do to improve it.

EDIT: Okay so maybe I was uptight and I said some stuff that was a bit uncalled for, but really - can't you see I'm trying, or at least improving?
My First Guitar Song

Jolly Roger:

1) Don't take yourself so annoyingly serious.
2) Don't call blue an asshole because he gave you an honest opinion. That's what you want, isn't it?
3) If you like the music you're making, that's all that's important. Don't try to change to please people here.

Sven wrote:2) Don't call blue an asshole because he gave you an honest opinion. That's what you want, isn't it?

An honest opinion is good. Telling someone that you didn't even listen through their song because they made an effort at an interesting riff and didn't succeed is a different story ... all I really was meaning by my little rant there was that I want a review that at least tells me what I could to do improve or make the song more interesting.

jolly roger wrote:I want a review that at least tells me what I could to do improve or make the song more interesting.

No one is obliged to review songs in the first place, and certainly not under fighters' guidelines. You put your music on the internet, and ask for reviews, you're going to usually not hear what you were hoping for. Is that the reviewer's fault, or yours for having preconceived ideas about how people are going to feel about your song?

No one *has* to give constructive advice in a review. If you get it from one of the more experienced musicians here, consider it a blessing. And if you get flippant or dismissive remarks, you can either ignore it, or have a minor hissyfit and call people names because they were OhSoMeanToYou(tm)

JR, i know you put a lot of work into that song, but that big change is a trainwreck, and the good parts don't even happen until after the first 1:30. Why is your song filled with nutty uselessness for an intro? Especially when it's a part to which you never return..? If it started a 1:19 I'd have given it at least a decent review.

I prefer to spend my listening-to-review time giving the songs a thorough listen. Your intro is all hostile to my attention span.

also, fuck you noob, learn your damned instrument, learn to write songs, etc, etc blah blah.

I'd like to apologize for yesterday's remarks. I was just reading all the reviews and it was all kind of frustrating me ... I kind have had a drought of good reviews lately, and I've been trying to improve, and I honestly thought that this song wasn't bad ... then I got a review that kind of tore into the one section that I actually liked. I guess I was out of line to have that little whiny fit.

No time for reviews but here are the hits:

Bjam: nice!!

Booty Shollamadingdong: Killer Ween-style garage dork

Caravan Ray: IDM cleverness from the greatest genre-jumper around

Jim of Seattle: Great rhythm. "scratched my CDs"

Klownhole: testosterone pimp-slap for 6 minutes

MC Milk Plus: Getting wicked with early 90s Dance hit samples

Phunt: Gets nice at 1:30 (but you are no Spinto band, kids)

Van Full of Animal Pelts: Dynamic punk-pop, refreshing

EightLeggedOedipus wrote:No time for reviews but here are the hits:
Klownhole: testosterone pimp-slap for 6 minutes

Apparently no time for actually listening to it either. Our entry was 2:37 minutes long. This is notable because it's probably the first song we've submitted under 6:00 minutes. So I can understand why you thought it was that long.

Hah, it would be really impressive if 8LO had made those reviews without listening. I really liked this fight and might do reviews if I get to listen to it again soon before it drops out of public relevance.

Thanks, everybody, for the compliments and putting us back in our place as well.

I thought that Spinto Band comparison was novel.

jolly roger wrote:

blue wrote:Rawr

Thanks for being so constructive, EDIT@#$%EDIT.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

brysmi wrote:FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

I think you missed it.