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Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:15 am
by Kill Me Sarah
Haha, I just remembered who <3 is and why the vocals are processed as they are. :lol: I retract my earlier critique.

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:44 am
by furrypedro
@eclectic spOOns: That was really nice, up until the end where the voice comes in and it just sounds like you putting on a shoddy american accent with some distortion over the top. I don't see how what you say has anything to do with the track and you repeat yourself and say "yeah" far too many times for it to sound authentic. Get rid of the voice and repost this and I'll download it, otherwise, no thanks. why did you do that? Apart from that the soundscaping was sweet and I loved the glitchy bits.

Melvin: S'alright, I'm not sure if I'm into the more rockin edge, there are bits in there which sound more like the Melvin we know, and I think your production style suits that better than the harder rocking stuff cause it's not really gritty enough for that. The harmonic bit of lead didn't sound like you were really trying, like you thought "that'll do, as long as I layer it up a bit" when I'd have preferred you'd stripped it down but put more effort into the indivdual guitar line. Overall this is more than passable, but at the very end I'm put right off by the "yeah yeah yeah"'s which sound like a direct steal from Vertigo by U2 which is a fucking crap song (imo). This leaves a slightly unpleasant taste in my mouth which can be purged by a bit of The Shape of Punk to Come by Refused. I suggest checking it out before you venture away from your more melodic tendencies again. A Melvin tune without a killer chorus is gonna need some serious balls and unfortunately this time I don't think they're quite big enough. You still show some good lyrical prowess here, verses are good.

Ray: This is crazily good. It's not my style but it's on the money all the way, I don't think there's single crack in the whole mix (oops, maybe that drum breakdown could be beefed a bit!) and the whole effect is great. I hope it's what you were going for 'cause I think you acheived it spectacularly. You don't waste any time getting into the groove, beats are cool, didge is cool, the vocal is perfectly placed and Iove that bit where you hold the note and it sounds like one of those Tuvan throat singers. It would be easy to let this get boring after a few minutes too, but you've done a good job of making the song wind and weave when it needs to and not outstaying it's welcome.

Forestry Fires: It's about time you lot did a song together. This was never going to be anything other than a really sweet tune. It feels minimal but closer listens reveal all the elements winding through the song which is cool when you notice more stuff after every listen. I also like the shared vocals and the way the vocal tone (your voices are pretty similar in tone but just noticably different) seems to change gradually over the course of the song, like a really mellow phase. Keeper, possible vote.

Tinski Robotnik: Yeah, nice. Vibraslaps are always good, this tune was begging for it really. This is pretty seamless and it's got lots of nice elements. It doesn't stay in my head much after it's over though. All this needs really is a suitable film to soundtrack.

Paco Del Stinko: Ha, nice. I've noticed a few people comparing your songs to my own efforts recently but I have to admit that your songs have a whole lyrical dimension to them that is completely absent from my stream-of-consciousness ramblings. Being someone who concentrates on the music on first listen it's easy for me to miss the class in your songs but it's when I really listen to what you're singing that the songs click with me and this track is no exception. I felt kind of stupid upon hearing this song, having thought "well, you can't be a very good secret agent if you're gonna tell me your secret password", and here you've managed to make the song both engaging, funny AND relevant to the title (not that anyone cares about that much round here) in a way that nobodyn else would have thought of. I'm just glad you didn't have a 3rd verse that used the line "rhymes with chimney" 'cause I probably would have wet myself. Musically this does the job too, it sounds like P.U.S.A. crossed with Pixies which is phantastic.

The Darkest Daves: I'm loving some of the band names around here at the moment, you guys and Chin Music are my current favourites. Of all the Daves I know you are definitely the darkest and this track is a testament to that, but it's not JUST dark; I'm hearing some doom, a touch of sludge, possibly some grind and multiplied by core to make the new genre, Davecore. Also, the length of this indicates a slightly improvised, possibly experimental edge, so just to be safe lets call it Post-Davecore. But seriously, I much prefer a less fuzzy, grittier guitar sound for the chugs; not sure how it would've worked but I think the guitar tone suffers from being made too fuzzy. For the lead guitar it's fine so you can get that cool squeal. Drums sound nice and big so that's fine although I hope you used a drum machine cos if somebody had to play that live they'd be in danger of falling asleep, and the vocals do a pretty good job of swelling form that haunting croak to the gothic roar later on. I'm sure you could've done more than repeat the title for the lyrics but hey. After listening to this a few times I get a song stuck in my head, not this, but Jute Gyte's 'We'. Mayeb you should try sounding more like either Jute or yourselves.

Less3 (not to be confused with Less Than Three who I've never reviewed here): The fact that you could sing Such Great Heights over the opening bassline to this is a bit dodgy. This sounds good, and the Postal Service are good, but songwriting and imitation are two different things. I particularly like the snare sound here anyway, the way it kind of shuffles over the beat, I'd like the drums to build to a bit of a crescendo in the same way the music swells as the track progresses. Good, but not yours. Maybe I'd have felt differently if I could understand the vocals.

Chin Music: I'm feeling a Neil Young influence here. I really like the finger picking action, it lends a rustic charm especially when you can hear all the slides and rattles of the guitar; you've really achieved a great sombre feel to this song, I can't imagine you were going for anything else. My only gripe about this song, and it is a small one, is that occasionally the lyrics don't seem to scan that naturally. It works fine as it is but i feel the need to shift the odd syllable forward or back a beat or two. I like the fact that there's a hiss on this too, adds authenticity. Have you heard Pajo?

Booty Chesterfield Trio: Oops, need to turn this down a bit after Chin Music. Yes! More cowbell! I always have to listen to that intro twice to get my fix. This is a pretty good slice of soulful punk blues a-la the Buffs/Stripes. Not bad, but I'd like a bit more confidence from the vocals during the quiet bits, not volume necessarily, but maintain the swagger and nonchalance of the loud bits. Makes me think of My Morning Jacket too, that's probably cos the vox are quiet.

Jon Eric: This is quite good. It's the song that I was expecting from this title lyrically. Still, you got some good lines in there and in a catchy way, plus there are lots of charms tucked away in here like the backing vocals and whistling. I like the way it cuts off at the end.

x-tokyo-river-god: I never know what to expect from this bunch. I am of the opinion that anything with Anti-M will be a keeper, I can't get enough of that haunting wail. The track here is actually really sweet too, it's so minimal but in a way that actually presents you with the all the space as well as just the instruments. This is the kind of stuff that I'd really like to hear Kristin Hersh making. Not sure what to say here, but I'm leaning towards this for the vote now. ooh it's getting exciting.

Why does ? not just call himself Apples&Vodka: That beat is damn cool, reminds me of Homogenic-era Bjork but it doesn't develop in the same way, as soon as the rest of the track kicks in it's pure Mezzanine which is also a small good thing. Vocals don't really add much, but they fill a gap I suppose. I like the fact that the track intensifies in the 2nd half but I think you go a bit to far with all the crazy electro-mashup out of key stuff. The rhodes is a good solid foundation for the track, and I like all the little sound effects that pop up throughout the track. I could listen to an album of this.

Elastic Waste Band: By the halfway mark in this it becomes apparent that the track isn't really going to go anywhere, there are some alright bits in there but there are too many weak elements for this to warrant repeated listens. When it starts it's fine, but the percussion is too weak to run for the duration and as soon as the vocal comes in it sends what is already a fairly delicate track down the route of electro cheese; I'm a fan of vocoders and all but that doesn't even sound in key which is unforgivable with vocoders, maybe you just came in on a badly chosen note. There are bits when it resonates too much as well which needs to be sorted out.

Tam Lin Music: Here is a jolly nice song indeed. In some respects it could be the best here in terms of Beatles-esque song craft. It seems you've spent some time over the chord progressions and the lyrical flow, to the extent that it all sounds natural and spontaneous. It's a shame that the percussion and augmentations (strings, horns etc) are so obviously midi as these shortcomings ultimately mean that the recording doesn't live up to its influences. In terms of my personal taste it's too apparent from the first few lines that the song will never develop beyond the safety of the verse-chorus formula, so while the song is a good one it doesn't hold any hidden treasures for me.

Thanks for the Frisbee: Good to have you back after a brief haitus. The first crack in this track appears when the 'Oooohs' come in, it's fine, just a touch off key. I do love the lyrics to this, no idea what they mean but that line that goes "every night i see an arrow fly(?) right into the eyes of an unsuspecting sky" I love the way that sounds so much. The vocals sound really well recorded which makes this sound good overall even though the guitar is a bit lo-fi (as opposed to great sounding guitar and dodgy vocals, which ends up sounding dodgy overall). I'm definitely keeping this; it could easily fit on a Shins album, and I'm not a huge Shins fan but I do often underestimate quite how catchy their songs are and this track is that good. You should post the lyrics.

Daddybop: I kind of like what you've tried to do here but there are just too many things working against this tune. On first listen the intro sounds really messy but it gets more manageable after a few listens. I like that you've made some intricate little lines but when played on midi instruments and sounding like it's been mixed in mono everything just gets way to jumbled up for any solid themes to come through. I'm not sure about the drums either; again, there's lots of intricacies which on paper are a good thing but I don't think you pull it off although it would undoubtedly sound better on a real kit (and you can't be blamed for not having one). The lead guitar is well played and does provide some respite from the midi onslaught, I guess nothing here really clicks with me though. sorry dude.

Carpetburn: I got lazy, tried some more f-c-e-g-c-e and played lots of open strings GBV style. I think I was listening to 'never meant' before I wrote that lead line too. I think this would be fun to play live. I did a mix with different drum samples to see how it sounded (when i clicked on the link it was broken :( does it work for anybody else?)

Good fight this one, it's a toss-up between Forestry, x-tokyo, Paco and Ray....and TFTF for this one. I'll decide later
I also liked spOOns, Chin Music and Ó or whatever his name is

Rhymes With Lucia - Reviews

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:07 am
by Paco Del Stinko
I enjoyed this fight and its many textures. Although I loved the Mega Fight, it was nice to have a more easliy digestable batch.

Booty Chesterfield Trio - I like how this threatens to run away from itself, but doesn't. Cool skanky riff that disappears a tad too much. I think that you and I are the only ones that pronounced it Loosha, but fear not as I won't try to tie us together in another way. This is a fun track.

Caravan Ray - It's like animals are making the rhythm sounds and of course, they are smarter than humans. Maybe you're an animal? Hmmm? This feels as though it's taking me on an Austrailian safari, although it is apparently an urban one. I like the changes at around 2 minutes: mood, vocals, heat-bug synth.

Carpetburn - Nice and tight, it appears as though you fellas are getting that way together. Good vocals and playing. I have no idea, for the most part, to what the guitars are doing and where they are going, but that's a huge part of what I enjoy about them. I also like what appears as lack of structure as the song constantly evolves, not feeling either repeated or wandering. Very nice.

Chin Music - Good to hear the voice. Fine lyrics. The guitar stutters occasionally, but not near enough to distract from the mood it conveys. Love the bridge section and subtle additions there - wonderfully creepy. I enjoy the dark mood of this very much. Might not want to play it to start the day off, but I like it a lot.

Daddy Bop - Intro almost loses itself but keeps it together, turning into a nice progression. Good playing and programming all around, although I agree somewhat w/ the comment about the strings: I might like a more synthetic sound there, but what they do is fine. Vocal could be more dynamic. Observation, not criticism: Your choruses often have a general similarity to them, perhaps more in direction than sounding alike note-wise. ( Yeah, from me, who often doesn't even include a chorus!)

Darkest Daves - Yes, I listened through all the way - twice! It all sounds fine, guitar tones and riffs, etc., but might be better served as part of an intro or foundation to build up. I like the mood and although more doesn't necessarily mean better, an addition of some kind here might be good. The false guitar harmonics in the distance are cool.

@Eclectic Spoons - Sounds like...Aquabats. Kidding. I enjoy the percolating rhythm alongside the airy pads. I seem to be partial to your more open and ambient pieces. Nice chord structures lie within, as they secretly do in most of yours. A change or addition a couple of minutes in might've been nice, but the overall feel here doesn't cause me to wander. But please, don't make me sing in a faux British accent as my New England/American one is upsetting to many already!

Elastic Waste Band - Great melody and structure. I liked this better the 2nd time through as I was more able to appreciate the fine layering. I enjoy the synth sounds here. The end arrives quickly but maybe that's a good thing.

Forestry Fighters - This is wonderful. The song and its mood/atmosphere easily overcome any petty shortcomings (a couple of loose spots performance wise) I like where this takes me and is loaded with nice melody. Love the slide-up vocals. The end may border on abrupt but a very good song.

Jon Eric - This is the kind of song that I would have loved to have written when I was younger. Or now, for that matter. Mix and pitch issues aside, the energy and arrangement are wonderful. Whistle as accompaniment vs. solo is bold and successful. Some good lyrics too. I like it.

<3 - Nice layering, harmonies. It builds itself up very nicely. Maybe a counter melody during that end section to really push it over the top. I didn't see God as you may have, but the sun streamed through the clouds. The vocals are fine as what they are doing is very good, but I don't know that I'd want to listen to too many songs in a row with them like that. Of course, I don't have to here! Good work.

Melvin - I really like the "news at 11" guitar alerts. Great layering and harmonies, so much happens in 2:24, but it doesn't feel crammed in. This song is clearer sounding to me, mix and seperation wise, and less grey than some of your others. I like your voice in that register also. Good lead section. Nice.

Paco - At least I can say that I've yet to miss an entry since I began submitting in May. Is that a good thing? Don't answer!

Tam Lin Music - So easy going it sounds effortless. Nice story telling and your voice and other instruments all sound so fine. Nicely played/performed. It might benefit from being shorter, not because it's boring, and I dare not suggest what might be removed, but to make it sweeter. Or create a desire to hear more. Very nice.

Thanks For The Frisbee - I enjoy your voice, melodies, and lyrics very much. A good song, it could benefit from being fleshed out more. I did see your comments regarding time, and understand, but it does feel a bit incomplete. Regardless, there's just a hint of sadness in your voice that translates well.

Tinski Robotnik - Nice progression and melody. Good voice and whiffs of Revolver production. There's a lot of good playing here and the arrangement is fine although the song seems to end quickly. Maybe a spot somewhere to let it breathe, although it doesn't feel smushed. Perhaps a wetter mandolin solo to take some edge off. Very good.

? - Excellent layering and a good arrangement. I thought "One Of These Days" by Pink Floyd was coming to tear my face off. With many comments on the vocal delivery, what are the options? Beastie Boys trade off? Maybe something like that mixed in w/ the deadpan. Vocals are definitely required here. I like the mounting anxiety of the middle section. Loses a bit at the end, but a fun ride.

X-Tokyo-River-God - Nice, peaceful ease into the vibe of this. Lovely voice, and instrument voicing with a good and patient build. I like the bridge: Yes, it could have melted my brain more, but it's right there. The melt, that is. My brain is who knows where. A good listen and quietly strong. I like this one very much.

Good fight with a lot of varying and solid entries. I can't vote for myself, but I can not easily decide who to vote for yet. Thanks all for the music - very enjoyable.

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:26 am
by <3
Furrypedro wrote:Less3 (not to be confused with Less Than Three who I've never reviewed here): The fact that you could sing Such Great Heights over the opening bassline to this is a bit dodgy. This sounds good, and the Postal Service are good, but songwriting and imitation are two different things.
I do not like replying to specific reviews very much but this one hurt. There is a similarity and I was inspired in part by the song you mentioned but they are actually very different songs! The chord progressions and structures and vocal cadences and even the melody are different. I know that it is evocative of several songs (including "She" by Green Day which is actually an even stronger influence) but it is not a rip-off!

Also if there was no imitation in music then we could never move forward because we would be busy reinventing everything all of the time. I am pretty sure that every song you have written or heard has shared something in common with several other songs.
Maybe I'd have felt differently if I could understand the vocals.
If you want to know what they are and you cannot understand them for some reason they are on my website.

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:18 pm
by furrypedro
Furrypedro wrote:...if you wanna be good at what you do then imitation is the best way to master the basics....Van Gogh, Beethoven, all great artists learnt their trade through imitation and then developed it themselves...
I agree with what you said but personally I think your song bore too close a relation for it not to be called out (preferably by you). You have now admitted that 'Such Great Heights' was an influence and that's fine; I admit my wording of the accusation was a bit harsh but you've gotta be careful when it comes to creative writing as the Flaming Lips found out.

Were you to publish this song and gain popularity from it I think you would have a similar experience as the Flips. I was just letting you know.

I'm sorry my comments were hurtful, if my experiences on Song Fight! are anything to go by it will be the first of many, but hopefully the hardest to deal with and now it's out the way. This site is all about getting thicker skin. I did quite like your song by the way.....just not as much as I like Such Great Heights :)

I read the lyrics in the Lyric thread. There's nothing wrong with them, but lots of people (including myself occasionally, but not always) like intelligible vocals.
kill_me_sarah wrote:Haha, I just remembered who <3 is
I hope I've not just explained myself at great length to blue in disguise

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 12:40 pm
by anti-m
Wow! I always assumed that that was an INTENTIONAL homage! Weird!

(Sorry, reviews are coming... soooon)

It's only Chin Music!

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:18 pm
by JAK
Chin Music intones:

Caravan Ray — Sounds like Brian Wilson on a good day, and this track would make a perfect segue with Sloop John B.
Daddybop — Musically clever; lyrically thin, I’m afraid. Keep boppin’.
Tam Lin Music — Leonard Cohenish, nice character-driven tale. “How to make her sadness fit me like a gloveâ€

Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 10:05 pm
by LukeU
Hey, A few people said our song sounds like Mr. Bojangles. Just out of curiosity, who is this Bojangles character?

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:28 pm
by JAK
To most people, Mr Bojangles (Bill Robinson) was Shirley Temple's tap-dancing partner in films of the 1930s. Yet he also was one of the country's foremost and best-loved vaudeville headliners. "Mr Bojangles" was also a hit in 1968 by Jerry Jeff Walker, the melody of which your tune is like, kinda. Is what.

Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:19 pm
by LukeU
Thank you, that was explained very well. I'll have to look into that.

Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2006 8:46 pm
by anti-m
[edit: Look! Finally! Reviews! Ahoy!]


1. Tamlin Music: Well, heck, I’m not gonna save YOU from the underworld if it inspires you to make such fine songs! I hear the complaint about the synthetic instruments, but the result is still stellar. I would love to hear this with real accompaniment. Great lyrics and story.

2. Jon Eric: It’s strange, ‘cause I like but don’t love this. I think I DO love the song itself though. I think my issues are with the mix, which I think could benefit from JB’s Albini-esque suggestion that everyone lower their vocals. I do love that tiny guitar or mandolin or whatever it is, and I’d like to hear it a little more clearly. This is another entry with very strong lyrics. I love the idea that seeing her beat the flames out of curtains on fire would rekindle (heh) the romance.

3. Caravan Ray: Holy crow, it’s a didgeridoo! And it’s being played competently! Actually, there are all kinds of great instrumentation happening here. I like this quite a bit. Perhaps a little longish for the conceit, but I have a short attention span. One of my favorite CR entries thus far – well done!

4. Elastic Waste Band: This is pretty nice, although I’m wishing I could hear the lyrics, which have been rendered incomprehensible. I’m not sure how to remedy that issue, though, ‘cause I like the effect. Perhaps you could record a second “straightâ€

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:41 pm
by anti-m
I somehow managed to miss Booty Chesterfield Trio!

Correcting this oversight:

18. Booty Chesterfield Trio:

This is pretty awesome. -- I actually do remember this entry from my previous listens, but somehow managed to miss it in my final "reviewing-round-listen." This brings the garage rawk, with some excellent Pixies overtones.

That said, I will totally arm wrestle JB over the contention that the vocals somehow need to be less high in this mix. I want 'em higher! What I can hear sounds great, but keeping the vox so burried makes it hard to glean the full brunt of the dynamics of this song. (Did you guys record this live? Or live-ish? I'd like to watch y'all play this live!)

Posted: Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:20 pm
by booty
Anti-m, thanks for not forgetting me. We appreciate the feedback. We performed at songfight live last weekend. Here's is a taste of what we sound like "live". The video and sound did not sync up on the upload, but it will give you an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_cgPa3dtg4

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 5:53 am
by Kill Me Sarah
booty wrote:Anti-m, thanks for not forgetting me. We appreciate the feedback. We performed at songfight live last weekend. Here's is a taste of what we sound like "live". The video and sound did not sync up on the upload, but it will give you an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_cgPa3dtg4
Wow, what a great little avatar that was to have pop up at work. Thanks! :roll:

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:38 am
by a bebop a rebop
kill_me_sarah wrote:Wow, what a great little avatar that was to have pop up at work.
I got fired because of yours.

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 7:11 am
by Kill Me Sarah
a bebop a rebop wrote:
kill_me_sarah wrote:Wow, what a great little avatar that was to have pop up at work.
I got fired because of yours.
Whatever, your boss probably saw my picture walking by and you got promoted.

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 9:39 am
by Nigel (spOOn) Clements
kill_me_sarah wrote:Whatever, your boss probably saw my picture walking by and you got promoted.
Why was your picture walking by?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:53 am
by Kill Me Sarah
spOOn wrote:
kill_me_sarah wrote:Whatever, your boss probably saw my picture walking by and you got promoted.
Why was your picture walking by?
Don't correct you my English!

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 1:57 pm
by Kill Me Sarah
I was just listening to the Booty song again...did anyone else hear the "woo-hoo" that sounds like one of the Ewoks in ROTJ?

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:25 pm
by Caravan Ray
For the many who have asked, the didj on my song is sampled from:

Dingo Lonely For Its Mate by David Blanasi off his album 'Didjeridu Master'. I do however have plans of making my own telescopic tuneable 'trombone' didj out of PVC pipe for possible use on future songs.

I will try to listen to these for review later today. I've been away from my desk for a while this week...

Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:07 pm
by fluffy
I used to be in a performance art group in grad school. We used PVC dijeridoos when we participated in a parade (and also banging on pots with wooden spoons in lieu of drums). It was awesome.

Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:58 am
by booty
Good call on the ROTJ ewoks scene. It is actually sampled from that!!!