Songfight - The Motivational Poster

rone rivendale · Post by **rone rivendale** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:16 pm

Would you call Hanson 'Pop'? I'm pretty sure they would be insulted by you saying they can't play instruments.

erik · Post by **erik** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:11 pm

Just because the term pop music was bastardized by a bunch of idiots in the 90s doesn't mean you have to keep using their stupid definition.

The Beatles made pop music.

Reist · Post by **Reist** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:58 pm

Weren't the Beatles Rock 'n Roll?

Maybe it's because I grew up in the 90s, but I picture pop as being birthed by Michael Jackson and ruined by Britney Spears and the Backstreet boys.

obscurity · Post by **obscurity** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:05 pm

So what do you think ABBA are?

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:31 pm

Disco?

jack · Post by **jack** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:36 pm

"pop" music came out of the term "popular" music, so does that mean "popular" music is a genre populated only by non-musicians?

please. get real.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:44 pm

And "emo" came from the word "emotional." I guess we can't hate on "emo" because that might be confused with Mahler and Beethoven?

Words (especially with things like popular culture) change meanings, and in the context it was clear that EmbersOfAutumn's poster was referring to the current meaning, which refers to acts such as Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson and so forth.

I'm pretty sure Wagner didn't refer to his music as "classical" while nobody today would refer to it as "contemporary." At the same time, orchestral music written in the modern era is often referred to as classical.

anti-m · Post by **anti-m** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:54 pm

Oh noes! This thread isn't cool anymore!

jack · Post by **jack** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:56 pm

fluffy wrote:And "emo" came from the word "emotional." I guess we can't hate on "emo" because that might be confused with Mahler and Beethoven?

you can hate on it all you want but the meaning wouldn't be accurate. and i know how much you're a stickler for accuracy.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:04 pm

My point (which has nothing to do with emo, as much as I hate Bright Eyes) is just that terms like "contemporary," "classical," and "pop[ular]" change meaning with time. Just because the Beatles were called "pop" in the 60s doesn't mean that they'd be called "pop" today, and conversely, saying something about "pop" today doesn't mean it has anything to do with what was called "pop" in the 60s.

jack · Post by **jack** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:08 pm

jack wrote: i know how much you're a stickler for accuracy.

anti-m · Post by **anti-m** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:38 pm

Caravan Ray · Post by **Caravan Ray** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 7:58 pm

erik wrote: The Beatles made pop music.

And I think 'pop' music began with Frank Sinatra some time in the mid/late 1940s. He is usually cited as being the first 'pop star'. Long time before Michael Jackson

Steve Durand · Post by **Steve Durand** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:19 pm

fluffy wrote:My point (which has nothing to do with emo, as much as I hate Bright Eyes) is just that terms like "contemporary," "classical," and "pop[ular]" change meaning with time. Just because the Beatles were called "pop" in the 60s doesn't mean that they'd be called "pop" today, and conversely, saying something about "pop" today doesn't mean it has anything to do with what was called "pop" in the 60s.

Now The Beatles are classical.

Steve Durand · Post by **Steve Durand** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:21 pm

EmbersOfAutumn wrote:Jazz
The Least Sober Of All Musicians

I'll drink to that!

Billy's Little Trip · Post by **Billy's Little Trip** » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:59 pm

Steve Durand wrote:
EmbersOfAutumn wrote:Jazz
The Least Sober Of All Musicians
I'll drink to that!

*runs in*

*runs out*

EmbersOfAutumn · Post by **EmbersOfAutumn** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:42 am

Billy's Little Trip wrote:
Steve Durand wrote:
EmbersOfAutumn wrote:Jazz
The Least Sober Of All Musicians
I'll drink to that!
*runs in* *runs out*

Thank you both for your kind engineering tactics of getting back on track.

Just pretend I didn't put that Pop poster up. Here--change it out with this one.

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:04 am

Steve Durand wrote:
fluffy wrote:My point (which has nothing to do with emo, as much as I hate Bright Eyes) is just that terms like "contemporary," "classical," and "pop[ular]" change meaning with time. Just because the Beatles were called "pop" in the 60s doesn't mean that they'd be called "pop" today, and conversely, saying something about "pop" today doesn't mean it has anything to do with what was called "pop" in the 60s.
Now The Beatles are classical.

NO, the Beatles are classic ROCK.

At least according to Clear Channels in selected markets.

Also <b>Embers</b>, I have met country artists who totally agree with that country phrasing accusation. They admit that most country songs could alternate between keys adjusted to a singers vocal range. I listen to a lot of country and you can easily recognize the patterns right down to some guitar, fiddle, and pedal steel licks.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:06 am

There's four of them? Are you counting "he left me," "she left me," "I love him," and "I love her" as separate ones?

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:32 am

fluffy wrote:There's four of them? Are you counting "he left me," "she left me," "I love him," and "I love her" as separate ones?

I somehow thought he meant chord structure...

EmbersOfAutumn · Post by **EmbersOfAutumn** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:35 am

Hoblit wrote:
fluffy wrote:There's four of them? Are you counting "he left me," "she left me," "I love him," and "I love her" as separate ones?
I somehow thought he meant chord structure...

I actually meant both.

Chord Structres, there's about 3 actually. G, C, D with the occasional Am;

A, E, D, E;

Bm, Em, repeat.

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:50 am

EmbersOfAutumn wrote:
Hoblit wrote:
fluffy wrote:There's four of them? Are you counting "he left me," "she left me," "I love him," and "I love her" as separate ones?
I somehow thought he meant chord structure...
I actually meant both.

Chord Structres, there's about 3 actually. G, C, D with the occasional Am;

A, E, D, E;

Bm, Em, repeat.

I was actually referring to the phrasing structures. (I'm guessing now thats not the term to describe what I mean) There is a four to 6 chord structure that encompasses like 2 major chords, 1 minor chord, then back to a major. There are a few combinations but the steps and structure within each combination remain consistent. Therefore you can effectively play the same song one key up with a slightly different melody and whammo, a new song. A formula.

In other words, you tell the professional country guitarist 3 chords, he can successfully guess the fourth... no matter which chord placements or chord position you give him.

Country theory if you will.

If you listen to country lead guitar,fiddle, pedal steel: you'll hear a lot of similar licks based on the exact sames scales at any given speed.