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I did not expect this thread to give me a reason to create my very first phpBB post signature.
haha! first time quoted in a .sig!

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by the way, I really liked the bluechip ashram song.

me too! I was heartbroken to have to downvote it for not meeting the challenge (no guest)
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Cybronica wrote:
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I haven’t been able to write reviews at all this year, but I want yall to know that I am very much enjoying the musical output. Particularly this round I really enjoyed FBF- it had a strong resemblance to Where You Are from Moana, and just dripping with joy. Really looking forward to seeing the results from this round!
Oh, I meant to say thanks for this shout out. I wish I could sing like Christopher Jackson - I'd be in a whole different line of work! Hadn't heard that Moana song in a while. Enjoyed it.
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arby wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:13 am
starfinger wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:07 am
by the way, I really liked the bluechip ashram song.

me too! I was heartbroken to have to downvote it for not meeting the challenge (no guest)
Clearly, the guest was all of Talking Heads (or at least Tom Tom Club) and the LCD Soundsystem guy. But seriously, how do you know there's no guest? Because that's a strong song and shouldn't be eliminated on a technicality.
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Maybe we should all stop throwing stones, because none of us are perfect?
Niveous wrote:
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Title: My (blank) are the Best People

Fill in the blank with something other than a person
Like, for example, the instruction as worded does not make grammatical sense because "a person" is singular and in the phrase "My (blank) are the Best People" presumably the "(blank)" is the subject and the "are" is the verb, and "are" is the form that goes with a subject word that is plural or represents a group of things. It would not make grammatical sense to say "My grandad are the best people" so presumably you shouldn't need to instruct people not to do that. And by the _letter_ of the instruction, "Manson family" e.g. would actually be OK because "Manson family" is not a synonym for "a person" since it's a group of people. However, "grandad" (presuming that you interpreted Pete's blank-filling as making "grandad" the subject) would actually NOT be OK. Very confusing! The judges presumably are making their best effort to communicate their intent, presumably the contestants are making their best effort to interpret the words on the boards and at least check the box for the challenge if not get more creative with it (as the judges frequently instruct people).
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...
People:
...
- people (as in BL's title)
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Balance Lost

My grandad was wrong about who are the best people
...
In my opinion Pete's insert is a lot more creative than what all of the rest of us did. Pretty sure everyone else (Moss Palace included) just stuck in a plural noun or equivalent. I don't think putting "grandad was wrong about who" into the blank is at all the same as just putting in "people" or a synonym for people. Pete saw another path and expanded the title to shift the whole meaning so he could say something in a different way than everybody else. Kudos to Pete for that, IMO.
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Anyway I thought this was by far the strongest round so far this year. I really enjoyed quite a lot of the songs. Congrats frank on a well deserved win, and I'm especially glad to hear music that's so joyous. Maybe the next challenge should be "Be joyous".
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These were the best songs of this very strong round, in my opinion:

Moss Palace - Exquisite synth pop in Mixolydian mode! Just gorgeous.
Bluechip Ashram - Like LCD Soundsystem and Tom Tom Club had a baby, which is gold in my book.
Balance Lost - A lost Graceland track. Clever take on the title.

There were others I liked (Starfinger and UJN, most notably), but not as much as those I mentioned above.

My song was a blast to make, even if the concept seemed a little silly to me. But we had fun and I got to squeeze "sackbut," "hefeweizen," and "glockenspiel" into a lyric, so I can check those off my bucket list. (Also, "Tinkerbell" and "chinny chin chin.")
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frankie big face wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:38 am
arby wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:13 am
starfinger wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:07 am
by the way, I really liked the bluechip ashram song.

me too! I was heartbroken to have to downvote it for not meeting the challenge (no guest)
Clearly, the guest was all of Talking Heads (or at least Tom Tom Club) and the LCD Soundsystem guy. But seriously, how do you know there's no guest? Because that's a strong song and shouldn't be eliminated on a technicality.
we know because we asked him and he said he thought the demons of the title were the guests. but that's not how the guest round works.

I don't know for sure but based on the rankings - and his rankings on previous rounds - I don't think the other judges liked his song as much as I did.
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Lunkhead wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:51 am
Niveous wrote:
Sun May 26, 2024 9:15 pm
Title: My (blank) are the Best People

Fill in the blank with something other than a person
Like, for example, the instruction as worded does not make grammatical sense because "a person" is singular and in the phrase "My (blank) are the Best People" presumably the "(blank)" is the subject and the "are" is the verb, and "are" is the form that goes with a subject word that is plural or represents a group of things. It would not make grammatical sense to say "My grandad are the best people" so presumably you shouldn't need to instruct people not to do that. And by the _letter_ of the instruction, "Manson family" e.g. would actually be OK because "Manson family" is not a synonym for "a person" since it's a group of people. However, "grandad" (presuming that you interpreted Pete's blank-filling as making "grandad" the subject) would actually NOT be OK.
that's not how I interpreted his title. I thought it meant that some other group of people were the best people. furthermore I think splitting grammatical hairs doesn't serve us here, because to my mind a group of people still falls under the category of "person". but I admit we could have clarified that more prior to the deadline on the forums.
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arby wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:30 am
frankie big face wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:38 am
arby wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:13 am



me too! I was heartbroken to have to downvote it for not meeting the challenge (no guest)
Clearly, the guest was all of Talking Heads (or at least Tom Tom Club) and the LCD Soundsystem guy. But seriously, how do you know there's no guest? Because that's a strong song and shouldn't be eliminated on a technicality.
we know because we asked him and he said he thought the demons of the title were the guests. but that's not how the guest round works.

I don't know for sure but based on the rankings - and his rankings on previous rounds - I don't think the other judges liked his song as much as I did.
Ah, well, if you asked him, you asked him. But his song wasn't one of the demon songs, it was the Regrets song. Nevertheless...
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frankie big face wrote:
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Eliminations this round:
The Ujn Corporation*
This breaks my heart a little. I think you were making some of most interesting music in the competition.
Thanks Frankie! Hopefully we have at least one more in us... though I'll admit that knowing the deadline doesn't "technically" matter anymore kind of kills it for me. Haha. We'll see how it goes...
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furrypedro wrote:
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HeuristicsInc wrote:
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Balance Lost - this is another one i feel is kind of samey throughout. Lyric wise i’m not sure the grandad part comes across. Can’t tell if you had a guest.
Thanks for the review. Can't tell if I had a guest? Are you serious? You think verse vocalist and chorus vocalist are the same person? Do you literally need me to write down who sang what before you understand? Jesus fucking christ. Thanks for getting your results in on time btw
I've been struggling with whether to respond to this offensive post. Sheesh, why make it hard on the judges? You're only hurting your own ratings when it's not really obvious.
And I'm not sure if the last sentence is snark or not.
This post makes me not want to post reviews anymore. Congratulations.
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starfinger wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:53 am
HeuristicsInc wrote:
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The main problem is the guest part isn’t real integral to the song.
Wait a minute.. do you mean like a collaborator? I don't make my guests do anything they don't want to do.

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Here I meant that it seemed he was only playing on that little snippet of song at the end, not that he was with you? But maybe I missed his contributions elsewhere.
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But also, nothing about the actual song? Or our guests (some killer flute from Kevin's wife, some killer vox from my daughter)?
Sorry. That was two nights in a row falling asleep early and last night I got up at 3am and finished my reviews and ratings. I was probably not in the best mindstate. i may have also been put off by lack of lyrics? anyway, yes, i do like the flute and the the way it builds to the ending. also 3/4.

but the main problem with the lower-ranked ones was not following what i thought was the challenge - was supposed to be not "a person" but "my person are the best people" doesn't even make grammatical sense so i thought everybody would figure that out.

in my estimation, ones with samples got half credit for guests.

Oh and "didn't see anything about not being a person"? It was in the first post from Niv: Fill in the blank with something other than a person
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HeuristicsInc wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 12:39 pm
furrypedro wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 4:54 am
HeuristicsInc wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:07 am
Balance Lost - this is another one i feel is kind of samey throughout. Lyric wise i’m not sure the grandad part comes across. Can’t tell if you had a guest.
Thanks for the review. Can't tell if I had a guest? Are you serious? You think verse vocalist and chorus vocalist are the same person? Do you literally need me to write down who sang what before you understand? Jesus fucking christ. Thanks for getting your results in on time btw
I've been struggling with whether to respond to this offensive post. Sheesh, why make it hard on the judges? You're only hurting your own ratings when it's not really obvious.
And I'm not sure if the last sentence is snark or not.
This post makes me not want to post reviews anymore. Congratulations.
All due respect, Bill, the person singing in the chorus is (really!) obviously another person. (I assume a woman, but I make no assumptions where gender is concerned!) So I can understand Pete's frustration, especially if this was a factor in being ranked low. Maybe you all should ask for us to make a post with who our guests were and what they contributed if it's a concern.

I appreciate that you write reviews, although it's okay to skip them if you don't have a lot to say. Getting the rankings in earlier is more important, imo, and knowing now that you were doing this at 3am *last night* is a little discouraging since the songs are received by midnight on Sunday. :|
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I don't have time to write full reviews but since Pete's song is a topic of discussion, here is my review of Pete's song. I wanted to write this not to be contrarian to any judges but because when I dug in I really appreciated Pete's songwriting choices, and wanted to say nice things about them. Again, I think the way Pete filled in the blank is easily the most creative of the round. The obvious path is to just drop in a plural noun but Pete did something that took more thought and effort and expanded the sentence. (Nobody said you couldn't put multiple words into the blank!) I like that the title is not a line in the song, but instead provides a piece of context in which to interpret the song's lyrics. That's very creative too! I like that the title does not assert who the best people are, and the song isn't about doing that either. The title may even be an implicit comment on/criticism of the idea that ANY people are the "best" people. Also that the song is about who his grandad thought were the best people provides more context, that this song is maybe about more than just Pete's own experience, and also about looking back at ideas folks may have had even just two generations ago about the "best" people. I don't know Pete all that well but from the few things I do know plus the title I am thinking maybe his grandad fought in WWII in the Pacific, but the idea generalizes out beyond just Pete and his grandad. All that and I haven't even gotten to the actual lyrics themselves yet. Wow! As for the lyrics, they're very poetic and I appreciate that they don't even talk at all about the whole "best people" idea. They seem very grounded in personal experience and history. I appreciate that the look back at what may be considered at best "antiquated" ideas of who the best people are is done with compassion and understanding and empathy. And I appreciate the narrator expressing their confidence that they are doing what is right for them, and I like the forward looking implications of "I need a little rain if I'm gonna grow". And that's all done with with not really even that many lyrics.

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Lunkhead wrote:
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Lots of nice things about the Balance Lost song
That’s what I was going to say! Thanks a lot, Sam. ;)

Now do my song! Do mine!
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Lunkhead wrote:
Fri Jun 07, 2024 1:14 pm
Lots of nice things about the Balance Lost song
Wow! That is probably the most in depth analysis I have ever received of one of my songs. I really appreciate that, man. Thank you! And thanks to Frankie for sticking up for me too.

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I've been struggling with whether to respond to this offensive post. Sheesh, why make it hard on the judges? You're only hurting your own ratings when it's not really obvious.
And I'm not sure if the last sentence is snark or not.
This post makes me not want to post reviews anymore. Congratulations.
You seem to be the only person to whom it is not obvious that I have a guest. If you genuinely can't tell the difference between the vocalists, then probably me pointing it out in my song notes won't make a huge difference cos you'd just think "It said there's a guest but I can't hear it". Given how obvious it seems to the others who have commented on the issue there does seem to be a little wilful obtuseness on your part.

Also, offensive how? Yes, I was frustrated and confrontational, but I didn't insult you in any way.
I apologise that this has created bad blood between us. I do respect you, Bill, and I genuinely don't mind if you didn't like the song.

The boards are a lot more lively now though, eh? :D

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Okay, here are my reviews.

Starfinger - Oh, I adore this. The wacky space sounds, the bombastic singing, the hilarious lyrics. So good. My only complaint is the ending (presumably this is the guest part) feels tacked-on. If it weren’t needed for the challenge, you could just trim it out and the song would be better for it. It’s not a bad little mini-song, but it doesn’t really go with the aesthetic of the first part.

Moss Palace - I also dig this a LOT. Honestly to me these two are a tie in terms of quality and would I listen to them outside of the contest (hint: I would!). First of all, it’s using the title up front and frequently, instead of burying it in a throwaway line like last time. The guest guitar by Mo is great, lilting and flowing around the main electro-instrumentation like a river. My only beef with this one is friends (even imaginary ones!) are still people. That’s literally my only issue. Otherwise stellar.

Balance Lost - This has a cool Afro-beat sound to it that I liked a lot. I’m a sucker for those Zimbabwe-style guitar lines. Again the lead voice is too breathy, which bugs me a little, but musically I like the song. The guest on the chorus is ok, not great. Something a little Nico about her (?) prosody and intonation. They do sound very similar to me, perhaps it’s the accents and timbre.

FYI, playing coy about who your guest is and what they sang is not a way to earn favor with the judges, in fact it’s deeply irritating. We have to rank all these songs including how well they met the challenge, so please just try to make our lives a little bit easier by stating up front who the hell your guest is and what they did. You can do it in your lyrics post as many others did. It takes 2 seconds and would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!

Also I still have a slight issue with the use of the title. As previously explained upthread, I read the title as “My Granddad was wrong about who are the best people” meaning some other group of PEOPLE are the best people. Failure to follow instructions. Also I think it goes on a little too long. Could stand to lose 30 seconds.

Frankie Big Face - This is extremely well done, but I didn’t love it. It sounds like a kids’ song. I kind of hate kids’ songs. Similar kind of tropical vibe to BL but I liked his better. That said, he nailed all the requirements. “Chinny-chin-chin” makes me laugh every time. Great job. Not your fault I have a genre bias against it.

Glenny - Which one is A Single Pint of Failure? Is he singing lead, or is that Gizo (? Stacking Theory?)? I didn’t love either of their vocals, tbh. This song is perfectly meh. Like it was decently written and performed, but it didn’t stick in my mind after I finished listening to it. (PS I just read your song bio and awwww. I’m not crying!) Challenge was met on both fronts, however, which is why I ranked it as high as I did.

Cybronica - Cool opening. I gotta say Cybronica, you are hitting on all cylinders with me a LOT more this contest than you ever have. Bully for you. I like the verses and the instrumentation. Then the chorus happens. Suddenly it sounds like Hair. My musical ladyboner dies an undignified death. The first two lines of the chorus are okay, not great, but the third line really bugs me. I feel like you’re so busy vibrato-ing it up that you sound like you’re rushing, whereas if you just sang it plain and in a natural rhythm, it would sound great. There’s enough room for the line but the way you sing it makes it sound like there isn’t. (see attached, I’m singing it down the octave and I think I’m a little pitchy on the second line but you get the gist). Anyway I think this is overall a cool song, but I had to downrank for using a sample instead of a live guest.
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Cavedwellers - first of two Pokemon songs. With a kid singing. Ugh. Sorry. Genre bias. But this was okay. EXCEPT for that line in the bridge (“To seek to seek to seek these kinds of friends”) where the kid was just all over the place! I think to me because it’s already so twee having a kid sing, that kid better be pretty good, because you’re not getting away with mediocrity or fuckups just because it’s “cute”. And I will admit that one of my favorite songs on earth starts and ends with a kid singing (“Dear God” by XTC) but she nails it! Anyway that’s my deal.

The Friends - I immediately wanted to like this because of the first lines. Everyone DOES suck in their own way! This is very antifolk. (If you don’t know what that is - and you probably don’t, no one has heard of it - look it up. Also this is reminding me of someone but I cannot think of who. If I remember later, I’ll come back.) Honestly I would have ranked this a LOT higher if the title challenge hadn’t been so badly failed. Musically and lyrically I enjoyed it a lot. The guests are used effectively throughout and contribute well to the song.

BSS - Immediately I was kind of turned off by the strings, and then the vocal came in. I am not a fan. Also the production is kind of flat, like it just doesn’t sound great. And then it plods along. The chorus is ok, I guess. But overall I found this aggressively mediocre. But it met both challenges so I had to rank it higher than Bluechip Ashram, which I liked as a song WAY better.

Bluechip Ashram - FUCK. I dig the sound instantly. I don’t know why I love his voice so much, it just sounds like he’s so world-weary in this way that I’m picturing a dude in the 70s sitting alone under the disco ball, he’s been up all night and he’s so drunk and lonely. Ahhhhhhhh I love it. I would buy an album of songs like this! I would have ranked this at number 12 if it weren’t for egregious failure to meet the guest challenge.

Spintown - This reminds me of Journey? I finally realized what I don’t like about ST’s sound. I cannot STAND Journey and their ilk. At least this lead singer doesn’t sound like Weird Al. I see the attempt at humor but it didn’t land with me. This is fine, I just personally really did not like it. I’m sorry.

MechaKarp - Oh god. A Pokemon rap. Really? What have I done to deserve this. This reminds me of “The Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny” except unfunny and musically way, way worse. This was like nails on a chalkboard to me. It met both challenges, though.

UJN Corp - I get what you’re trying to do in the beginning, but it goes on wayyy too long. By the time the actual song kicked in, I was already bored and annoyed. Then it’s vaguely metal. Guitar playing is not bad, I guess. I just found it kind of an unlistenable mess. Like there was nothing catchy or melodically interesting that made me want to hear it again.

Kamakura - speaking of unlistenable messes! The samples (which as previously discussed does NOT meet the guest challenge) go on WAY too long. Nearly a minute and a half! Nobody wants to hear Neville Chamberlain & Winston Churchill for that long! And then the song itself starts and I’m not impressed. Like again, I see what you’re doing, but it doesn’t resonate. PLUS you also borked the title challenge, as discussed. Hence your ranking. Sorry dude.

Brown Word (shadow) - I really liked this and thought it was a hilarious and brilliant use of guest and title COMBO - this is exactly what I was hoping to get from this challenge and you’re the only one who did it. Musically it’s also pretty good - your voice sits nicely in this setting, which it doesn’t always do in your other songs. I really like the guitar work in the chorus. The freaking cicadas actually sound good! There’s a kind of almost medieval/60’s/90s sound to this that I really dig. I would have ranked this pretty high if it had been a regular entry, just so you know. Probably like 11. Outro gets heavy! Ha. Lyrics are great. Good job!!

chewmeupspitmeout (shadow) - I do not think what you tried to do with the title is cute. Samples don’t count as guests. That said, the sample singing riff in the verse doesn’t sound terrible. Is that an Omnichord in the verses? Ha. If so, points for that. I actually don’t hate this musically.
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Also, offensive how? Yes, I was frustrated and confrontational, but I didn't insult you in any way.
I apologise that this has created bad blood between us. I do respect you, Bill, and I genuinely don't mind if you didn't like the song.
It was your particular specific use of, uh, harsh language. Didn't appreciate. I guess it does sound like two different people but I didn't hear it last night.
I am not that much against the song, the delayed guitar is especially good.
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You seem to be the only person to whom it is not obvious that I have a guest. If you genuinely can't tell the difference between the vocalists, then probably me pointing it out in my song notes won't make a huge difference cos you'd just think "It said there's a guest but I can't hear it". Given how obvious it seems to the others who have commented on the issue there does seem to be a little wilful obtuseness on your part.
It was not obvious to me! Nivs pointed it out when we were listening together in the car, but when I first heard it I found it hard to tell the difference between the lead and the guest. Sorry, just had to stand up for Bill there. Your voices are very similar-sounding.
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Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:09 pm
It was not obvious to me! Nivs pointed it out when we were listening together in the car, but when I first heard it I found it hard to tell the difference between the lead and the guest. Sorry, just had to stand up for Bill there. Your voices are very similar-sounding.
Count me in the "completely obvious" camp that there was a different singer than Pete in his song, for whatever that's worth (aka probably not much, ha!).
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Fri Jun 07, 2024 8:42 pm
Moss Palace ... My only beef with this one is friends (even imaginary ones!) are still people. That’s literally my only issue. Otherwise stellar.
Glad you enjoyed it although I find this last part very interesting. Coincidentally there is a big summer movie out right now titled "If" that's all about imaginary friends, none of whom (afaik, I haven't actually watched it) are people. Then there are famous imaginary friends like, Harvey the rabbit from "Harvey", Mr. Snuffleupagus from "Sesame Street" for decades (until they decided that wasn't ok and changed it to make him real), the weird rabbit thing from "Donnie Darko", the imaginary friend from from "Inside Out", Winnie the Pooh, Hobbes, The Wild Things, etc. etc. etc. Maybe we have different definitions of "people" or something.
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