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I may have missed something, but I recall she called one song of his "ignorant". How does that translate to calling the whole genre ignorant? His fast remark (now that I look it up to refresh my -still- ignorant mind) was "I’ll bury her. She has never written anything that’s been a hit." And this has some meaning? Somehow?

Anywho...I see two dumbasses doing what they need to do...stir up controversy to stay in the news and hold people's attention and keep their songs on top of the charts. That's what success demands, sometimes. And how does having a vagina enter into this?

erikb wrote:Having a vagina does not entitle you to insult other people's music and have them not get offended.

the fact that they have a vagina usually makes the insult worse for me. i mean, if i can't get laid from writing music, then what's the point

roymond wrote:I may have missed something, but I recall she called one song of his "ignorant". How does that translate to calling the whole genre ignorant? His fast remark (now that I look it up to refresh my -still- ignorant mind) was "I’ll bury her. She has never written anything that’s been a hit." And this has some meaning? Somehow?

Anywho...I see two dumbasses doing what they need to do...stir up controversy to stay in the news and hold people's attention and keep their songs on top of the charts. That's what success demands, sometimes. And how does having a vagina enter into this?

http://top40-charts.com/news.php?nid=3488

"She has never written anything that's been a hit" is a direct response to "Anybody can write, 'We'll put a boot in your ass.'" She insulted his songwriting. She wasn't a "poor little Dixie Chick", she was being rude. Toby Keith is no less of a man for calling her on that.

erikb wrote:"She has never written anything that's been a hit" is a direct response to "Anybody can write, 'We'll put a boot in your ass.'" She insulted his songwriting. She wasn't a "poor little Dixie Chick", she was being rude. Toby Keith is no less of a man for calling her on that.

Well, I agree with your last point. But having a hit isn't exactly equivalent to being a great songwriter...that's a "sucker punch" on his part. And what's not a hit about being at #4? Whatever. It's dangerous to criticize lyrics that appear to be very literal yet may be quite broad in meaning, and vice versa. Both players are annoying and deserving of this thread! Me too, for that matter.

Rik wrote:

Everyone wrote:Praise to that no-talent ass clown Toby Keith

Yeah, that's it, gang up on me now.
Face it, Dark Liberty is a better singer than that guy. And his songs are all so lame. Especially when he gets all overly patriotic. Toby Keith + patriotic = idiotic.

They played something on Australian TV the other night (on 'Spics & Specs') which was described as the "most downloaded" video in history , or some shit like that.

I've got no idea who the dude was but it was completely hilarious. It had some dick singing a really awful song and waving a USA flag around a lot. I can't remember the lyrics - but it was a sort of a "....that hurricane hurt, but we're still great..." type of thing.

I guess it may have been a joke, but I've got a horrible feeling it was deadly serious - which is exactly how I felt when I heard that Toby Keith song

Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

erikb wrote:If someone said that a song I wrote was ignorant, and that is makes the entire genre of music I am associated with look ignorant, and that anyone could have written the song, then I would most definitely tell her to jump up my butt, regardless of whether she was in the Dixie Chicks or not.

Having a vagina does not entitle you to insult other people's music and have them not get offended.

If you had written something as offensive as that Toby Keith song, you would deserve to be insulted as much as possibe - by people vaginaed, unvaginaed and all those in between.

Anyway - I wouldn't put Toby Keith in the "I really hate" box - because he does gives the rest of the world another opportunity to snigger at Americans - which we all love doing.

I do however hate all those annoying so-called "Country" singers whith their mullets and fancy hats playing what Slim Dusty described as "just rock and roll with a cowboy hat". I'm thinkin Garth Brooks, I'm thinkin Lee Kernagan and I'm thinkin about 95% of what passes as country music nowdays. I do however still love country music.

Fucking Keith Urban. Jesus Christ.

WeaselSlayer wrote:Fucking Keith Urban. Jesus Christ.

yeah! That's another name I was trying to think of!

And he's even one of my Brisbane homeboys. He sucks.


and who's the country dude who does the duet with the rap singer bloke. Thats really the pits

I hate the Sex Pistols. Even more so, I hate the record store clerk wanna be type who try to say how great and revolutionary the Sex Pistols were.

Caravan Ray wrote: and who's the country dude who does the duet with the rap singer bloke. Thats really the pits

hahaha....i don't know their name but i saw these guys on last week's episode of "Las Vegas". what a joke. it's like some music A&R/marketing hack saw a niche demographic and thought... "man, we gotta capture that untapped ghetto/bling/goodoldboy/country market...."

c.layne wrote:three days grace.... worst... lyrics... ever

That's one thing I hate... ultra-lame band names with numbers in them.

Caravan Ray wrote:If you had written something as offensive as that Toby Keith song, you would deserve to be insulted as much as possibe - by people vaginaed, unvaginaed and all those in between.

Meh, the song doesn't offend me at all.

Justincombustion wrote:I hate the Sex Pistols. Even more so, I hate the record store clerk wanna be type who try to say how great and revolutionary the Sex Pistols were.

I am about as far away as a record store clerk wannabe as I can imagine.

The Sex Pistols were great and revolutionary.

I don't hate the Sex Pistols, but I think there is a line to be drawn between the revolution that they as a band made and the revolution they made in their music.

When I Listen to '... Bollocks' what I hear is musically pretty standard metal for the most part. 'Bodies' and 'Submission' apart. Now of course Lydon's voice on there was challenging, I personally think Lydon choosing to form a band like P.I.L. after the Pistols was much more revolutionary and challenging.

Obscurity (and I would imagine Erik) will no doubt disagree with me. But I have always felt this. The pistols are good, but Lydon was GREAT from about '78-'81, until he got too lazy, even by his own standards ....

j$

erikb wrote:

Justincombustion wrote:I hate the Sex Pistols. Even more so, I hate the record store clerk wanna be type who try to say how great and revolutionary the Sex Pistols were.

I am about as far away as a record store clerk wannabe as I can imagine.

The Sex Pistols were great and revolutionary.

Some of Never Mind The Bollocks sounds tired and dated in 2005 - but Anarchy in the UK, God Save The Queen, Pretty Vacant, Holidays In The Sun and Bodies still stand up as some of the greatest music ever recorded - and still sounds as good today as it did 30 years ago.

Great and revolutionary? Hmmm...maybe not quite that revolutionary..but definitely great.

worst lyrics is almost another thread, but i can't help mentioning meet virginia. ecch. which is a bit of a shame, cause i almost like the way the verses are arranged, though the chorus sounds like the chorus from every other song on every "music of your life" radio station i was ever forced to listen to.

jack wrote:

Caravan Ray wrote: and who's the country dude who does the duet with the rap singer bloke. Thats really the pits

hahaha....i don't know their name but i saw these guys on last week's episode of "Las Vegas". what a joke. it's like some music A&R/marketing hack saw a niche demographic and thought... "man, we gotta capture that untapped ghetto/bling/goodoldboy/country market...."

As the resident contemporary country music apologist I think Caravan Ray is talking of Nelly and Tim McGraw with their single Over and Over.

Jack, for Las Vegas you would be thinking of Big and Rich (duo) with Cowboy Troy ("I play chicken with the train, play chicken with the train-train, uh-uh-huh") (actually check-out his wiki entry fascinating background and weirdest of all...his passion for Port Vale FC...Now I really want to know what his Potteries connection is

Not nearly as offended by the slick marketing and experimentation of these guys as everyone else seems to be. Big and Rich have some of the most driving and beautiful music I have heard in ages on their album Horse of a Different Color.

No matter what you reaction to the sentiments of Toby Keith and "The Angry American" it was a song of it's time, written by the singer in the passion of that moment (and I trully believe he means every word of it!), accurately capturing the zeitgeist and anger of a huge majority of people in the USA, still played and sung with passion by thousands of people and more importantly american troops.

Any more offensive than "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy" in its day? Probably not!!! Any more kitsch and offensive than the war protest songs of Eric Bogle? (I have seen people walk out of bars when "Band Played Waltzing Matilda" is sung at folk clubs.) probably not! Just music that inspires emotions, all kinds of emotions and isn't that what its really supposed to do?

Now talking of songs I hate! Macarena anyone????

hey stu, it wasn't so much i was offended by the idea of cowboy rap as much as i thought it to be opportunistic and in a way sort of funny. just the idea/premise of a country rap strikes as a bit of an odd confluence of styles.

anyways, you made some good points. you should check out brick pig's music on songfight if you haven't already.

i should write a rap song and put it to a country mix and call it "i got no beef with toby keith".

I second that Jack!

stueym wrote:
No matter what you reaction to the sentiments of Toby Keith and "The Angry American" it was a song of it's time, written by the singer in the passion of that moment (and I trully believe he means every word of it!), accurately capturing the zeitgeist and anger of a huge majority of people in the USA, still played and sung with passion by thousands of people and more importantly american troops.

Any more offensive than "I'm a Yankee Doodle Dandy" in its day? Probably not!!! Any more kitsch and offensive than the war protest songs of Eric Bogle? (I have seen people walk out of bars when "Band Played Waltzing Matilda" is sung at folk clubs.) probably not! Just music that inspires emotions, all kinds of emotions and isn't that what its really supposed to do?

Yes, of course the dude has every right to make a kitsch and offensive song, if that's what he's into. I was more concerned by ericb's idea that it was inappropriate for the Dixie Chick girlie (and her vagina) to point out what she perceived as the song's inadequacies.

BTW: I would also maintain my right to jam a guitar up the rectum of anybody who plays "The Band Played Waltzing Matilda" within a 10m radius of myself. (an excellent song BTW, I just don't need the one-billionth repetition)

I think people should only have the right to express their opinion if it coincides with my opinion. Otherwise, they should shut the fuck up. And I mean that. Also, the Sex Pistols were obsolete before they even existed, because the Stooges did everything they did better, louder, and with more passion. And years before, too.

... except the Pistols took it to the mainstream, and lodged it there. Without the impact of 'Anarchy' and 'GSTQ' I doubt The Stooges, The New York Dolls, The Clash or any of those other bands would have any way itno the mass public conscious. So let's thank them for that at least.

j$