Religion

slowRodeo · Post by **slowRodeo** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:13 pm

you know i hope the JDubs didn't come off as disrespectful towards my own beliefs. Cause i didn't mean it like that.

but btw i come from the hoods of clarkston. and by hoods i mean that its one of those town one might call quaint and if you walked into it and tripped you might fall out yet somehow i think it has two starbucks.

slowRodeo · Post by **slowRodeo** » Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:16 pm

But seriously the most important thing to a Jehovah's Witness is the bible. To me the bible is an authority. We try very hard to adhere stricly to the bible. And that the bible should viewed as a manual for happy life.

It is of vital importance to them that their beliefs be based on the Bible and not on mere human speculations or religious creeds. From this it is apparent that Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Bible as the Word of God. They consider its 66 books to be inspired and historically accurate. What is commonly called the New Testament they refer to as the Christian Greek Scriptures, and the Old Testament they call the Hebrew Scriptures. They rely on both of these, the Greek and the Hebrew Scriptures, and take them literally except where the expressions or settings obviously indicate that they are figurative or symbolic. They understand that many of the prophecies of the Bible have been fulfilled, others are in the course of fulfillment, and still others await fulfillment.

And a little about our name:

Jehovah's Witnesses? Yes, that is the way they refer to themselves. It is a descriptive name, indicating that they bear witness concerning Jehovah, his Godship, and his purposes. "God," "Lord," and "Creator"â€”like "President," "King," and "General"â€”are titles and may be applied to several different personages. But "Jehovah" is a personal name and refers to the almighty God and Creator of the universe.

- Jehovahs Witnesses-Who are they? What do they believe?

link to article online

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:12 pm

slowRodeo wrote:But seriously the most important thing to a Jehovah's Witness is the bible. To me the bible is an authority. We try very hard to adhere stricly to the bible. And that the bible should viewed as a manual for happy life.

excellent. so you guys stone men who refuse to wear full beards? also, are you allowed to have canadian and mexican slaves? i bet Leaf would make a good wood-choppin' slave.

no one, anywhere, lives by the bible. it is internally inconsistent and filled with antisocial, illegal, and morally untenable practices.

Jehovah's Witnesses, just like every other judaoxtian sect, take what they want from the bible and leave the rest.

fodroy · Post by **fodroy** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:55 pm

your song sucks too.

just kidding.

Me$$iah · Post by **Me$$iah** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:18 pm

blue wrote:Stuff

Well said that man

Kill Me Sarah · Post by **Kill Me Sarah** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:24 pm

blue wrote: excellent. so you guys stone men who refuse to wear full beards? also, are you allowed to have canadian and mexican slaves? i bet Leaf would make a good wood-choppin' slave.

Like many (most?) Christian religions, JW's believe that that Jesus brought about the end of the Mosaic Law. So saying that you live by the Bible and saying that you shouldn't own slaves or stone people are not contradictory statements.

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:48 pm

so JW's don't believe in the ten commandments?

whaaatever.

excellent method of proving my point about each subcult cherry picking the bible, tho.

(not that i believe you)

uh, actually, jesusboy up there quoted directly from the JW web site, but i'll repeat it:

What is commonly called the New Testament they refer to as the Christian Greek Scriptures, and the Old Testament they call the Hebrew Scriptures. They rely on both of these, the Greek and the Hebrew Scriptures, and take them literally except where the expressions or settings obviously indicate that they are figurative or symbolic. They understand that many of the prophecies of the Bible have been fulfilled, others are in the course of fulfillment, and still others await fulfillment.

Reist · Post by **Reist** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:57 pm

Christians still believe 10 commandments ... even if you don't believe in God, these are pretty great guidelines to live by. From what I've learned, the thing is that we believe that the old law is replaced by the new law of Jesus. Things get confusing there, but there was one point in Jesus' life where he was questioned by the Pharisees what was the most important law and he didn't even say any of the 10 commandments. He said 'love your neighbour as yourself'. I'm not sure if that's the exact words or exact line, and if it isn't that, tell me, but I think that pretty much sums up Christianity. We (apparently) don't believe so much in the laws, but more about love and following Christ ... it's pretty crazy.

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:02 pm

http://www.bible.org/page.asp?page_id=880

Mosiac law, and the supposed end thereof.

Reist · Post by **Reist** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:03 pm

That's pretty interesting ... I wish I had time to read it.

Kill Me Sarah · Post by **Kill Me Sarah** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:16 pm

blue wrote:so JW's don't believe in the ten commandments?

What is commonly called the New Testament they refer to as the Christian Greek Scriptures, and the Old Testament they call the Hebrew Scriptures. They rely on both of these, the Greek and the Hebrew Scriptures, and take them literally except where the expressions or settings obviously indicate that they are figurative or symbolic. They understand that many of the prophecies of the Bible have been fulfilled, others are in the course of fulfillment, and still others await fulfillment.

As Jolly pointed out, Jesus was the end of the law, but Christians follow his teachings and he re-iterated all of the principles of the 10 commandments, esp the first two, love God, and love your neighbor. He made reference to others at other times as well. Christians are not bound by the old law, but that doesn't mean that they don't live by many of the same standards. For example, government laws forbid you from murdering or stealing, but just because you adhere to those laws and they are included in the 10 commandments doesn't mean you're bound by the Mosaic law. That also doesn't mean that JW's don't take the bible literally. It means God had a particular set of instructions for one group of people, and then when Jesus died and made much of the Mosaic law unnecessary (such as animal sacrifices) the people were given a new set of instructions.

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:43 pm

convient for those christians, eh?

Reist · Post by **Reist** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:49 pm

This isn't a christian-bashing thread. Control yourself.

Dan-O from Five-O · Post by **Dan-O from Five-O** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:01 pm

As much as I have tried to veer away from this thread, I'll throw my 2 cents in anyway. Of the many immutable laws of the universe, I know these 2 to be true and relative:

You have found "God", and you're happy about it.

You have not found "God", and you don't understand those who claim they have.

And when these 2 groups meet a big pointless discussion breaks out because both sides feel as though the other is trying to convert them.

Believe whatever the heck makes you happy folks. And take care of those you love.

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:35 pm

i'd argue that most friction arises between different sects who firmly believe themselves to have found the right god.

there probably aren't enough athiests to mount a good holy war.

blue · Post by **blue** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:38 pm

jolly roger wrote:This isn't a christian-bashing thread. Control yourself.

it is now.

but, seriously, christianity - being, as it was, a liberal reformation of judaism - was very convient for the christians. it was a great equalizer.

Märk · Post by **Märk** » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:48 pm

I still want one of the xtians here to suitably argue my apparent paradox on the existance of god. (it's the 2nd or 3rd post on the thread)

I've asked literally dozens of bible-types (including a few JWs, rodeoguy.. hint) not one of them would give me an answer. The overwhelming impression I got from most of them was "fuck off and don't ask stupid questions about TEH GOD, you heretic"

First person who says 'God works in mysterious ways' gets virtually punched in the face.

sausage boy · Post by **sausage boy** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:23 am

Sven wrote:I still want one of the xtians here to suitably argue my apparent paradox on the existance of god. (it's the 2nd or 3rd post on the thread)

Ok, I'll give this a go, although I don't think i forfill your desired criteria. This is all, of course, just what I think.

First of all, Satan. I think Satan is made up, which I suppose seems odd if you believe in the existance of a God, but there you go. I think Satan might just be Humanities way to put a face on 'evil' and make it seem more personal somehow and less random. Well, thats Satan covered, and pretty quickly too.

As for the construction of Humanity itself, fuck, its God. I don't know what a God wants, so I don't know what the use of Humanity, or even reality is. I just figure I'm here, and I'll make the best of it.

blue · Post by **blue** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:39 am

sausage boy wrote:i'm drunk! WORSHIP ME!

hells yes.

Tex Beaumont · Post by **Tex Beaumont** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:23 am

There seems to be way to much stress on this thread. My E-meter is going off scale.

Now, we know that we are all Thetans who were dropped into volcanos thousands of years ago. I think a lot of you people need a good auditing or you will never reach OT VIII.

sausage boy · Post by **sausage boy** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:46 am

blue wrote:
sausage boy wrote:i'm drunk! WORSHIP ME!
hells yes.

That sounds like a fucking ace idea. Just call me Pope Boy the I of the Church of Sausage

Tex Beaumont · Post by **Tex Beaumont** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:39 am

sausage boy wrote: Just call me Pope Boy the I of the Church of Sausage

I wish I had 20c for everytime somebody has said that to me