WebWide Boycott

deshead · Post by **deshead** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:32 pm

Oust The Mods wrote:The trains will run on time where there is democracy.

What an interesting choice of metaphor.

Sober · Post by **Sober** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:33 pm

Does it feel really really good to publicly fellate yourself?

Have you heard of "social contract?"

Funny you have no rebuttal for my earlier post. I take that as acknowledgement of your substandard musical abilities, and thus the root of your tantrums.

Ahem.

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:34 pm

deshead wrote:Some of us have more important tasks we're avoiding.

Speaking for me again eh?

All in favour of Oust the Mods providing his credit card number (you know, he is the owner of the account..let's not get semantic about it) to ME (the user) so I can make democratic decisions about his credit situation say "aye".

Let's see some democracy in action!!!

jimtyrrell · Post by **jimtyrrell** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:40 pm

If you are American, the Democratic tradition on which you were raised is flawed anyway.

Saying that the site runs well WITH the current administration does not imply that the site would not run well WITHOUT it.

You're all over the map, dude. I'm trying to believe that you're actually impassioned about this, and not merely looking for ways to continue to disagree for its own sake. But you're making it hard.

When you first posted to this thread, I emailed you in the hopes of having what I thought might be a worthwile discussion. You've got one more chance to convince me I haven't wasted my time on you. You've failed to illustrate any serious problem with the current system (to me anyway), but perhaps you can explain or demonstrate your model for improvement. If not, well, dinner's almost ready, and I've got a full night ahead of me, and I'm gonna do some songwriting, I think.

anti-m · Post by **anti-m** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:43 pm

OTM, my advice to you is that you fire your press secretary. Youâ€™ll never make any headway in this campaign until you get someone on your team who can articulate your platform.

Niveous · Post by **Niveous** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:47 pm

1- OMT, I've said repeatedly that perhaps you should create youir own forum and show us the difference. Your reply on that idea...

2- You seem to have a very myopic view of democracy or at least some lack of comprehension when it comes to the matter. How does Songfight differ from a democracy because it has moderators? The world needs leaders. And do Spud & JB work without listening to our comments or suggestions? How is this not a democracy because we didn't vote them into office? 11 Presidents were elected without the majority vote including Lincoln & Kennedy. Please explain how your democratic view differs from how Songfight is currently run. Even better- make your own forum and show us.

john m · Post by **john m** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:50 pm

I don't think he means "democracy." I think he means "anarchy."

I'd say he wants wikisongfight, except that site has mods. So yeah, anarchy.

There are a great number of contradictions between his posts (Spud and JB are supposed to train successors? I thought there weren't supposed to be mods) but it's more fun to watch this way. It's like watching a tire fire.

Kweep · Post by **Kweep** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 3:54 pm

Clarification: America is NOT a Democracy... it is a REPUBLIC.

Mogosagatai · Post by **Mogosagatai** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:04 pm

goobaroo wrote:Narbotic left.

Wy don't they doi the same?

Songfight didn't fail.

And it won't faiil if they leave.

Songfight won't fail if they leave: you're quite right about that.

Someone else would take up the reins, like they did before.

I, speaking as one of the non-mudsuckers, very much appreciate that they take the trouble to do what someone else would have to do otherwise.

Sure, <i>all</i> the people could do it, and anyone could do what they do, but it'd be a hassle.

If We the People want to take the power from our benevolent dictators' hands, then We the People have to impress upon their minds that we can handle this place without them. That we won't take their nice little system and claw it all down with our clumsy little hands.

Spud, JB: Do you think there's a better alternative to the system you've got going here? Nah, I didn't think so. Well, keep up the good work then.

Goob, you move too quickly. You're not a leader. You don't pull people in directions they should be going, not even by example. You're just some bitter hobo who pisses on the capital steps with a big sign that says something about Democracy or maybe the Apocalypse or maybe both but who can tell since it's just so dirty and muddled and ugly. Just get off the steps, please, so I can walk by without smelling you or having to share your isolated world of misery. Hey, I'm stuck up in some wizard's tower too. I've got things to say, and, by golly, I'm right about them. More right than anyone else I know. But I'm gonna plant some seeds and let 'em grow, not smear the poor plebes' faces in my enriching soil.

Democracy now! Sure, but let's all grow the hell up just a little bit.

erik · Post by **erik** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:17 pm

Oust The Mods wrote:Why? What's the matter with the rest of you?

1. You are boring. You left for however long, and picked up no new trolling skillz, no new rhetoric, no new nothing. Booooooring.

2. You offer no reasons why people should care about democracy. How will it make the site better? Moreover, *why* would the site be better, in specific ways? Why should people respond to your troll if it is so clearly based on a straw man: "People should value democracy because democracy is important to people." Boooooooring + ill-conceived.

3. What do you want on your sandwich? Apparently you like democracy, and I like to feed trolls. My vote is for peanut butter and pickles, but I'll wait until your vote is in until I actually make the thing. Booooooring + ill-concieved + sandwichy.

What is the matter with the rest of us? Why are you the only one who gets to be boooooring, ill-concieved and sandwichy?

Denyer · Post by **Denyer** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:34 pm

I just ate the pizza that was left from last night.

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:49 pm

Dude. I told you to save that for Sausage Boy.

Oust The Mods · Post by **Oust The Mods** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:52 pm

Spud wrote:Here is my view on this.

I do not believe in growth for the sake of growth.
I do not believe in change for the sake of change.
I do not believe in fixing something that is not broken.

On the other hand, since JB and I took over Song Fight! and these forums, we have:

1. regular updates, in a relatively timely fashion.
2. three titles (currently) rather than one - this is adjusted on as as-needed basis.
3. an archive which can be sorted according to titles, artists, or dates.
4. individual web pages for individual songs.
5. individual web pages for individual artists.
6. cover art for every fight.
7. an archive of community-submitted art, regardless of whether it was used for the fight or not.
8. an archive listing of community-sponsored side fights.
9. an additional level of heirarchy in our bulliten board, improving usability.
10. more users than ever.
11. more songs than ever.
12. periodic regional live events sponsored by individuals.
13. annual live events promoted by Song Fight.
14. an actual community-news section on the front page.
15. historical data on the front page.
16. a songfight webring.
17. a stream all function for fights and artist pages
18. an faq.
19. removal of the 64bps mono requirement.
20. the availability of songhole.org for songfight-related hosting.

There will be more. So where is the lack of development? What are you looking for that we are not providing? There is a suggestion forum. Please feel free to utilize it.

Why can't we have all of that and democracy too?

Oust The Mods · Post by **Oust The Mods** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:54 pm

Leaf wrote:
deshead wrote:Some of us have more important tasks we're avoiding.

Speaking for me again eh?

All in favour of Oust the Mods providing his credit card number (you know, he is the owner of the account..let's not get semantic about it) to ME (the user) so I can make democratic decisions about his credit situation say "aye".

Let's see some democracy in action!!!

The Users are the only ones who have the right to ownership.

john m · Post by **john m** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:54 pm

Oust The Mods wrote:Why can't we have all of that and democracy too?

We do. The majority of people here are happy with the way things are. The end.

Dan-O from Five-O · Post by **Dan-O from Five-O** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:58 pm

Where's Blue when you need him? It matters not......

blue wrote:goobaroo!

how's it goin you shitty half-assed bob dylan wannabe? we should thank you and your endless bullshit stream for convincing spud and jb to move to phpbb

HAND, asswad.

Oust The Mods · Post by **Oust The Mods** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:59 pm

It is your website.

Why don't you take responsiblity for it?

Why don't you pay your bills?

Why don't you elect leaders?

Why don't you serve as leaders?

Why should I participate in a web community that does not function democratically?

I choose to destroy such communities because they are worthless pieces of trash.

john m · Post by **john m** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:10 pm

Oust The Mods wrote:Why should I participate in a web community that does not function democratically?

And now, irony.

Sober · Post by **Sober** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:11 pm

Pressing

Enter

Is

Not

Effective

Sober · Post by **Sober** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:14 pm

Oust The Mods wrote:I choose to destroy such communities because they are worthless pieces of trash.

A documentable threat. Now we're getting somewhere.

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:16 pm

Oust The Mods wrote:It is your website.

No it isn't.

Oust The Mods wrote:Why don't you take responsiblity for it?

Because it isn't mine.

Oust The Mods wrote:Why don't you pay your bills?

I do.

Oust The Mods wrote:Why don't you elect leaders?

I do.

Oust The Mods wrote:Why don't you serve as leaders?

uh... to step away from my sarcastic perspective for a moment... leaders are not neccessarily elected. Most of the people kicking the shit out of you right now ARE leaders in this community. It is often the dissident, loser minorities who whine and snivel like cowards about changing the things that make the majority happy rather than either a) assimilating or b) moving on and doing there own thing.

Oust The Mods wrote:Why should I participate in a web community that does not function democratically?

Are you gonna answer that??

Oust The Mods wrote:I choose to destroy such communities because they are worthless pieces of trash.

uh...yeah. And you're doing about as good a job of that as you make music.

Man, you used to be a lot better at this.

roymond · Post by **roymond** » Tue Apr 18, 2006 5:18 pm

22. Glenn was trained and sucked into the imperial mother ship
23. So was Brad, I think

Why haven't you evolved? Do you consider Kansas a democracy?