The South.

j$ · Post by j$ » Thu Nov 11, 2004 6:35 pm

Why does John Titor annoy me so much? No, really. he's no worse or better than the other internet-lauded prophecy-whores out there; maybe it's becuase he turns up more than them? I certainly am unimpressed by the sheer audacity of his claims ....

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Thu Nov 11, 2004 7:22 pm

I dunno... I read some of that today, and I re-read stuff I read a few months ago... and it looks like maybe there is something at least to the predictions.... rural vs. Urban dwellers civil war? ....hmmmm shotgun v.s uzi... I'm gonna go with the rural boys cause they got pickups. (trucks, not ladies.)

JonPorobil · Post by **JonPorobil** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:13 am

His predictions are enticing because of the highly divided state of America right now, coupled with the Patriot Act Business that makes it all seem plausible. They're remarkable in that these predictions were made primarily before 9/11.

It's fiction, Johnny. I don't believe him, and I hope that no one on Songfight really believes him. I just think it's rather engaging fiction, and he tells it fairly plausibly.

Dan-O from Five-O · Post by **Dan-O from Five-O** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 12:17 am

Leaf wrote:I dunno... I read some of that today, and I re-read stuff I read a few months ago... and it looks like maybe there is something at least to the predictions.... rural vs. Urban dwellers civil war? ....hmmmm shotgun v.s uzi... I'm gonna go with the rural boys cause they got pickups. (trucks, not ladies.)

Shotguns vs. Uzi's? Revolvers vs. Semi-Autos? Are you nuts? Trucks and tractors vs. SUV's and helicopters. Yeah, the rural areas would DEFINTELY defeat the Urban areas. Jeez man just look at the number deficiencies. Give me NYC over Hicksville Ohio anyday. You want points?

the Jazz · Post by **the Jazz** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 1:02 am

They don't have SUVs in the country?

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 2:20 pm

GERERIC: You are fool if you do not believe Titor.

SUFFER FOR YOU ARE AN URBANITE AND THE RURALARIANS WLL SMITE YOU.

...I don't NOT believe it, but I'm looking forward to 2009 when we can laugh about how much PinV believed it was gonna happen.

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 3:21 pm

Hey ya'll, a civil war is definitely possible. The idea of it acting out state against state in a red and blue format...north south...blah...yes, definitely archaich.

However, (and I have read the whole John Titor sci/fi thing) a civil war doesn't have to be like our last one. There are many ways to have a civil war. Look at the news from around the world. As a matter of fact, our civil war was very black and white..(or blue and grey if you will) most civil wars aren't necessarily so cut and dry.

John Titor, as I doubt he is really from another time... is just a guy with an amazing amount of forsight. I don't buy stock in John Titor or anything..but alot of what he had to say was very insightful ...and dare I say..still possible. If anything, very entertaining.

Fried · Post by **Fried** » Fri Nov 12, 2004 11:59 pm

Ignorance can be funny in a sad kind of way. I laughed at the writer not the writing. Why is it that the Kerry crowd has such difficulty accepting that 3.5 million more people in this election rejected a socialist agenda? They refer to people that reject their ideas as ignorant. And yet when I read anything by one of them, it is they who prove their ignorance. So, ignorance is funny… in a sad dangerous kind of way. Just because it makes sence to you, doesn't make it true.

Fried · Post by **Fried** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:01 am

Hoblit wrote:Hey ya'll, a civil war is definitely possible. The idea of it acting out state against state in a red and blue format...north south...blah...yes, definitely archaich.

Liberals would all die in the first ten minutes. They have no guns. Go NRA. Hahahaha!

erik · Post by **erik** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 12:55 pm

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jack · Post by **jack** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 2:32 pm

Fried wrote:Ignorance can be funny in a sad kind of way. I laughed at the writer not the writing. Why is it that the Kerry crowd has such difficulty accepting that 3.5 million more people in this election rejected a socialist agenda? They refer to people that reject their ideas as ignorant. And yet when I read anything by one of them, it is they who prove their ignorance. So, ignorance is funny… in a sad dangerous kind of way. Just because it makes sence to you, doesn't make it true.

you're pretty damn ignorant if you think everyone that voted for Kerry think's this way. which i guess makes your post pretty damned hilarious.

broad generalizations like that are ignorant, regardless of which camp they come from. re-read your last sentence and tell me how that logic doesn't apply to you.

Sober · Post by **Sober** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:05 pm

Yeah, fuck generalizations, be specific. Like this, for example: "Fried is a dickhead." See, that's specific. And, it's an opinion, so you can't really contest it. We all win!

erik · Post by **erik** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:22 pm

The Sober Irishman wrote:Yeah, fuck generalizations, be specific. Like this, for example: "Fried is a dickhead." See, that's specific. And, it's an opinion, so you can't really contest it. We all win!

Oh, it's easy to contest it, if it turns out you're a retard.

Stop that.

jack · Post by **jack** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 9:24 pm

well, i wouldn't go so far as to say fried is a dickhead. i certainly don't feel that way. insulting people simply because of their political beliefs is really not that much different than insulting someone for their race or religion. it serves no useful purpose, and at least in my eyes makes irrelevant the insultor's opinion. enlightening people to the error of their ways is always better accomplished through logic and dialogue, not insults.

Eric Y. · Post by **Eric Y.** » Sat Nov 13, 2004 10:06 pm

15-16 puzzle wrote:http://www.itconversations.com/download ... format=pls

Very interesting stuff about different ways to change people's opinions.

yeah.. really insightful about the way people think when confronted with something new and unfamiliar...

Fried · Post by **Fried** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:19 pm

jack shite wrote:
Fried wrote:Ignorance can be funny in a sad kind of way. I laughed at the writer not the writing. Why is it that the Kerry crowd has such difficulty accepting that 3.5 million more people in this election rejected a socialist agenda? They refer to people that reject their ideas as ignorant. And yet when I read anything by one of them, it is they who prove their ignorance. So, ignorance is funny… in a sad dangerous kind of way. Just because it makes sence to you, doesn't make it true.
you're pretty damn ignorant if you think everyone that voted for Kerry think's this way. which i guess makes your post pretty damned hilarious.

broad generalizations like that are ignorant, regardless of which camp they come from. re-read your last sentence and tell me how that logic doesn't apply to you.

I consider the sourse. I am glad he thinks that. I feel I am on the right track if I am opposite that freak. Kerry supporters generally have no arguments. Name calling is about all they seem to be able to identify with.

I wrote a piece on my experience with this subject. The countless whining and bitching about how the red states are some how less enlightend than the blue ones. It is everywhere in the news and the papers. So yes, with the information I am given, what I said was to generalise the Kerry camp by how the majority react.

The last line I wrote is exactly what I meant and I fail to see the ignorace in it. (So I guess I am ignorant to what you are pointing out) If you convince yourself that a truth is a lie because you want it to be true, it is still a lie. That was a reference to a person who saw Micheal Moore's peice of crap. She said to me "I know it is not true but I don't care, because I want it to be."

And the Rural/Urban example is exactly what this turned into. oh and 3.5 million more votes was fact. Clinton didn't get that much of the vote! So for all you Kerry supporters, here is some advice, get over it, you're in the minority in the House and Senate. I suppose that was Bush's doing too.

Hippies piss me off.

erik · Post by **erik** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:35 pm

comedy gold

jack · Post by **jack** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:36 pm

considering your right to express your opinion, maybe it's my opinion that sober may have been right after all.

tonetripper · Post by **tonetripper** » Sun Nov 14, 2004 10:44 pm

Fried wrote:Just because it makes sence to you, doesn't make it true.

Where is the sense in sence?!! Damn hippy socialists. Always shooting those NRA types for all the gun play and damn why shouldn't they tote those pistols. I mean they are ridding the world of all the bad meanies who get in the way of their gun and country.

In conclusion I find these sweeping generalizations amusing cuz when you really think about it, us Canadians are socialist in many extremes and we are ever so closer to legalizing the ganja. Does that make us a bunch of dumb, socialist hippies cuz if it is I'm heading south to the land of the free where you pay for health care. Good grief...... eek!!!

Fried · Post by **Fried** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:04 am

jack shite wrote:considering your right to express your opinion, maybe it's my opinion that sober may have been right after all.

That's your business. If you think poorly of me for not liking the dejected "Savior of America", so be it. I sleep well and I don't think that is going to change. I love seeing people get wiped up about things they have absolutely no influence over.
And as far as Canadian Medicine is concerned, Why are there so many "Wealthy" Canadians crossing the border to the US for treatment? Love Canada, it is a great country, but the only reason you are not speaking German right now is you share our border.

Now I am tired of this. To think I was expecting an intellegent conversation on SF. My bad.

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:15 am

Fried wrote:
jack shite wrote:considering your right to express your opinion, maybe it's my opinion that sober may have been right after all.

Now I am tired of this. To think I was expecting an intellegent conversation on SF. My bad.

Well Fried, it's just that the majority of Liberals are so much more intelligent and sophisticated than the majority of right winged nuts that we get so frustrated with the mental gap that we return to our primal instincts and blurt out with the name calling! It's hard to get anything done that way, we know, but if ya'll weren't so gad darned stoopid then we could clearly solve all of america's problems.

Of course, the above statement I made is complete BS. Just as to say that Liberals have no arguments and just name call is complete BS. Both sides are guilty of it. *SMILEY*

Leaf · Post by **Leaf** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:27 am

Fried wrote:And as far as Canadian Medicine is concerned, Why are there so many "Wealthy" Canadians crossing the border to the US for treatment? Love Canada, it is a great country, but the only reason you are not speaking German right now is you share our border.

...because they can jump lines in the states with their money, and they can't in Canada, as it's first come, first serve for health care... money doesn't influence the situation.

And get over yourself on the "speaking german" bit ... I believe we owe more to the Russians than you for that one! It seems to me that the US was the last country to get involved in WWII, and only because they were attacked... Canada was involved, with troops LONG before the USA, who showed up only when it concerned them, and not to aid and assist allies, or people who need help. It's that kind of blind arrogance that will be your downfall. (Remember Rome? The British Empire? THe Klingon Empire? The Imperial Forces of the Sith? )

Case in point: where is the US in Africa? Bosnia? the list goes on.

FAce it Fried, Bush's adgenda with foreign policy is in US interests, not world interests. Just as Canada has a health care system that tries to accomodate people on the basis of need, so should the world try to help each other on the same principle. If your government would do that, it would be heralded as the greatest nation on earth, and not as the greatest threat, which,sadely, it is. I wish it were different, cause I have a lot of care for the US, half my family is from there, but until people like you wake up from your ignorant arrogance, the other 49% suffer.

End of Essay.