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Märk wrote:Wow, he wouldn't allow a muslim woman to sit behind him. Is that how campaigns are run these days?
Well just to have this out here, the Obama camp claims is that it was a staffer who made that call and Barack himself said that it was a stupid move on the local staffer's part.

On the other hand it's obvious that there are editorial decisions about who gets to sit where in any election event, there's no denying it, I just doubt that there's a standing policy against muslim headgear, that's a lose lose situation and Barack's people are too smart for that.
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I've lived in New Hampshire for 30 years and I've never heard of a town called Unity. Pure gimmickry.

I mean, the town probably exists, y'know. But any suggestion that the location has any significance other than an embarrasingly topical name doesn't ring true to me. Paco, you ever hear of this place?

Actually, I do know of a town called Freedom, NH. I wonder how long it will be before Mccain stumps there.
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Jim Tyrrell wrote:Paco, you ever hear of this place?
I think I may have heard about it sometime, but could never have told you where it was. Yeah, I heard about that and thought it completely cheesey, regardless of whatever state it's in.
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Boring, Oregon and Nimrod, Oregon will never get visited. Ever. :lol:
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Well, almost two years on from when I first decided to support Obama and it looks today like he's going to win.
When he does, I'll take a week to celebrate, but this is not time to gloat and strut.

We all have a lot of work to do, and here's just a few examples:

- Economic meltdown must be dealt with. We're going to have to buckle up for a while.
- Energy problems. In combination with the economic problems, we're going to have to start conserving much more than we're comfortable with.
- Health care. We've got to come together and get this done both because people are hurting and we also need money wasted in our inefficient system to address our other priorities.
- Federal Debt. We've been spending too much and we're going to have to make compromises.
- Massive harm to America's image abroad. If we want to be more secure, we all need to start caring more about what people abroad think about us and how we treat our worldwide neighbors.
- Reset our priorities - we need to stop fearing terrorists and start fearing the loss of the american dream. A major terrorist attack only works if it changes our society for the worse.

Let's hope the people we elect are up to the task in motivating America to get things done.
Let's hope we're up to the task in living up to our responsibilities.

When we get the call to start working I hope we'll all sign on to do our part, and then maybe future generations will think of us as the 'greatest generation' and not the one that flew a great nation into the ground.
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mico saudad wrote: - Reset our priorities - we need to stop fearing terrorists and start fearing the loss of the american dream. A major terrorist attack only works if it changes our society for the worse.
It may be right to be concerned about "terrorists" - just remember that not all terrorists are bearded gentlemen from the Middle East.

It is hard not to giggle at the irony that it is your home grown capitalists and financial terrorists who have been successful in changing your (our) society for the worse in a way that foreign radical religious fundamentalists could only ever dream of.
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Seriously, if you think that Obama is really gonna change anything, then you are so mistaken.
Hes just another puppet filling a role and ready to take his orders from the boss, like W before him and Clinton before that etc.

I'll bet in 4 years nothing will be 'better' itll just be 4 more years down the line towards an American Union, 4 years closer to total European intergration. etc.


Just remember, we are at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia
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I share Me$$iah's cynicism, although I'm not sure if our reasons are the same.

Obama will turn part of the healthcare system into a government enterprise with DMV-esque efficiency and spiraling costs. Then politicians will spend the next five or six elections running on a promise to "fix the underfunded health care system". Then, with 25% of the population over age 65, the whole entitlement Ponzi scheme--social security, health care, etc--will face implosion. Not sure what that will look like exactly, but hindsight will be a bitch.
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mico saudad wrote:Well, almost two years on from when I first decided to support Obama and it looks today like he's going to win.
When he does, I'll take a week to celebrate, but this is not time to gloat and strut.

We all have a lot of work to do, and here's just a few examples:

1. - Economic meltdown must be dealt with. We're going to have to buckle up for a while.
2. - Energy problems. In combination with the economic problems, we're going to have to start conserving much more than we're comfortable with.
3. - Health care. We've got to come together and get this done both because people are hurting and we also need money wasted in our inefficient system to address our other priorities.
4.- Federal Debt. We've been spending too much and we're going to have to make compromises.
5.- Massive harm to America's image abroad. If we want to be more secure, we all need to start caring more about what people abroad think about us and how we treat our worldwide neighbors.
6.- Reset our priorities - we need to stop fearing terrorists and start fearing the loss of the american dream. A major terrorist attack only works if it changes our society for the worse.

7. Let's hope the people we elect are up to the task in motivating America to get things done.
Let's hope we're up to the task in living up to our responsibilities.

When we get the call to start working I hope we'll all sign on to do our part, and then maybe future generations will think of us as the 'greatest generation' and not the one that flew a great nation into the ground.
I've already admitted sharing Me$$iah's cynicism in the past.

1. Yes, you're right. In my opinion, its just too late. Fake money = inflation. We are up to our necks in fake money now.

2. Don't you wait for government mandating, get started now. Even if we can cap it and conserve it, the prices WILL go up.

3. Uh, ...er...hmmm, see #1 ? This is pretty much a lost cause in my opinion. American doctors would be smart to find another capitalistic country at this point.

4. See numbers 1 & 3. Thanks.

5. Moot point really. What should we care about what other countries think right now. They have their problems and we have our OWN problems. What other countries think of us is NOT a priority although I share your sentiment. (See socialist France, see Nanny State England, etc...)

6. Well said. Besides, 1-5 are plenty to fear for now anyways.

7. First thing I'm going to do is vote for real change even if it doesn't actually make any difference. I'm also going to vote against any Floridian representative that voted FOR the $700, 000, 000, ... 000.00 bail out. Out with those incumbents in with the new bosses...which of course will be the same as the old bosses.

8? yeah, pretty much EFFED. Welcome to the United States Social Republic.
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melvin wrote:I share Me$$iah's cynicism, although I'm not sure if our reasons are the same.
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I also share Me$$iah's and Melvin's and Hoblit's cynicism, and am likewise sure that all of our reasons are completely different.
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Hey look, I'm about as cynical as they come.
Cynicism is the result of acute observation of human behaviour.
But it's only going one step into the problem.
Okay now that you understand the way the world works, take that and put it to good use.

You've got a choice.
You can choose to believe that nothing you can say or do matters in the course of history.
Or you can choose to believe that something you do might just have a positive effect down the line.

With my miniscule voice I'm just trying to say this:

We've got some serious problems and no one is going to solve them for us. If Barack Obama calls on us to step up, let's not roll our eyes, let's actually realize that nothing's going to change for the better unless we work to make it that way.

Cynicism is a logical outcome of rational thought, but it makes a poor strategy for getting things done that need to be done.
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mico saudad wrote: 1. Cynicism is the result of acute observation of human behaviour.

2 .Okay now that you understand the way the world works, take that and put it to good use.

3. You've got a choice.

4. If Barack Obama calls on us to step up, let's not roll our eyes, let's actually realize that nothing's going to change for the better unless we work to make it that way.

5. Cynicism is a logical outcome of rational thought, but it makes a poor strategy for getting things done that need to be done.
1. Exactly.

2. Ha, thanks for the lesson there chief. (I'm not really bein' a smart @ss but man could one take that wrong)

3. I'm afraid you're mistaken. Or rather, I disagree. OR South Park has it right. **

4. I'm ready. I'm ready for REAL change, not some slogan about it. If he does something and I feel like there is a real possibility when I'm called on, I will do it. In WWII the citizens of the U.S. were asked to make sacrifices for the cause. I think back then, there was more trust and at probably for a better reason. I'll make sacrifices for the right reason but he better get us off of Oil, get us out of war, and get the country into the right financial state of mind. But thats too much to hope for.

5. I agree. I really do, but like paranoia... (just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you) just because you have hope doesn't mean everything is going to turn out that way. A healthy dose of cynicism is good to keep everything in check. I can't hope for a change that I somehow won't die someday.

**BOTH of the candidate hopefuls are really just more of the same. They both voted for the bailout. AIG on their own have borrowed TWICE from the same congress for billions of dollars. At least two other companies who received bail out money have been caught spilling hundreds of thousands of dollars on travel conferences. There was a reason 'we the people' didn't want this bailout. Lots of them and those two candidates, one that preaches REAL CHANGE, showed that they don't really care about what we have to say, just that they believe whatever the administration sells them. Which is more of the same apparently. (And screw Biden and his stance on computer related media and security)
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Good points hoblit. Just to clarify, when I say you've got a choice, I wasn't referring to perceived choices we have in the election, I was referring to the choice one has between simply having a cynical view of the world and actually trying to accomplish something in the face of that cynicism.
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mico saudad wrote:Good points hoblit. Just to clarify, when I say you've got a choice, I wasn't referring to perceived choices we have in the election, I was referring to the choice one has between simply having a cynical view of the world and actually trying to accomplish something in the face of that cynicism.
...and that would be revolution. :-)
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I had a thought this morning...

I wonder how many right-leaning newspapers will greet Obama's election victory with the headline OBAMA NATION.

I'm calling it right now. You'll see it somewhere.
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Ross wrote:Rabid Garfunkle have you seen this?
Oh. Wow. That's a good dose of silly-cool. Thanks!
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jimtyrrell wrote:I had a thought this morning...

I wonder how many right-leaning newspapers will greet Obama's election victory with the headline OBAMA NATION.

I'm calling it right now. You'll see it somewhere.
I see what you did there...
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Well done sir! See, it only takes me a month or two (or six) to come up with an idea.
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Okay, I finally got that word play. Just now. :roll:
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