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I've known about it for days but wasn't going to say anything.Spud wrote:Good call, Hoblit. How long did it take you to find that?Hoblit wrote:Spud wrote:As far as I can tell, she will be doing this for the rest of her live.
SPUD
That's totally what Hitler would say.Generic wrote:Presidential debates + grammar quibbling can one equal...
BARACK OBAMA OVERDRIVE!
...That is all.
Obviously they're a myth. Like Santa. Or Jesus.Generic wrote:Hey, look. This started as a discussion of health-care and taxes with regards to the upcoming presidential election, and I'm finding myself spending way too much time just trying to convince some people here that poor people exist.
Why is talking about people who make minimum wage irrelevant to this conversation? And I'm not talking about people who have degrees and are hoping to find other work, I'm talking about people who are doing minimum wage because that's really all they can do. People who are uneducated and who are too tired at the end of working long-ass days to get educated, especially after coming home to families. A single person can do without a car, or can move in with a roommate. A family can't just move in with a roommate. These people, they really cannot save $50 a month for health insurance. Sometimes all the money you have goes to bills, food and clothes for your kids.Hoblit wrote:That and minimum wage jobs aren't designed to be lived on as the sole means of income. They don't offer minimum wage jobs to skilled workers. Minimum wage jobs are just that, minimum skill for minimum wage. I understand that people can fall into this type of job but its not suitable for this argument because our economy isn't based on that.jb wrote:I don't think that example holds up, Generic, because you have to live within your means. If you make $800 a month, you're probably going to need to have roommates. That's just what everyone does the world over. So rather than paying $615 a month for her own one-bedroom, she'll pay $400 for half of a two-bedroom. If you can't afford to own a car, you ride the bus like everyone else. If there's no bus service where you live, you move, ride your bike, get rides. People make it work.Generic wrote:My friend who lives alone in a one-bedroom apartment pays $615 per month, plus about $150 a month, give or take, on power and utilities. That's $765 a month just to keep a roof over her head and shower at the end of the day. Factor in groceries and gas (not to mention incidental expenses like groceries, fixing the vacuum cleaner, getting your car's oil changed, or the occasional new t-shirt or pair of socks as your clothes fall apart with age, and auto insurance, if you're lucky enough to own a car), and suddenly your outbox is noticeably taller than your inbox.
I'm not disputing the problem, but it's only helpful if examples are suited to the argument. :-/
(please don't bring up illegal immigrants here, its not relevant to this discussion and even if it is, it is its own can of worms)
If you find that you can't sell yourself to a job that pays over minimum wage, you will have to make due as JB suggested.
BAM.Our economy is the privatization of gains, and the socialization of losses.
Ha! I fart in your general direction!Sober wrote:Thought I'd jump in real quick and drop off this quote. It's by my girlfriend, and it shows how superior I am to all of you for reeling her in.
BAM.Our economy is the privatization of gains, and the socialization of losses.
Only if she sold before yesterday afternoon. If she didn't, then she's likely doing just fine compared to 6 months ago.Sober wrote:Hey everyone, my girlfriend just lost 80% of her life savings in 3 days! YAY.
Why do you ask a question you already know the answer to?erik wrote:Is the public school system a welfare system?
The federal government does not mandate that your children attend public schools. You may homeschool them or send them to private schools, but you still have to pay the 1% property tax that goes towards public schools whether you use it or not (or even have kids).Hoblit wrote:Why do you ask a question you already know the answer to?erik wrote:Is the public school system a welfare system?
Obviously not.
I don't consider Federal mandated health insurance plans to be on the same level as public schooling.
BUT ON THAT LEVEL, there are already government institutions (not on the federal level) that offer health care at cut rates. I use those actually.
Ha, ya'll seem to think I'm against universal health care. I am not. I just think that there are a lot of complications that make this vision so extremely difficult that it may not end up being the dream that is intended. ME, I'm just pointing out the pickles and how unfair it can be and how unfair it can be to people who are against it. I'm really just a diplomat on the subject. I personally don't see how it can work as it is has been stated.Sober wrote:The federal government does not mandate that your children attend public schools. You may homeschool them or send them to private schools, but you still have to pay the 1% property tax that goes towards public schools whether you use it or not (or even have kids).Hoblit wrote:Why do you ask a question you already know the answer to?erik wrote:Is the public school system a welfare system?
Obviously not.
I don't consider Federal mandated health insurance plans to be on the same level as public schooling.
BUT ON THAT LEVEL, there are already government institutions (not on the federal level) that offer health care at cut rates. I use those actually.
In a true universal healthcare system, it'd ideally be the same way. Everyone has 'free' access to public healthcare, and if you want to go private, then you can pay for that, but you're still taxed along with everyone else.
Check. YOUR MOVE, SON.
1. Of course that's only relative in ratio. One might argue that they actually give the most back. I'm not, but somebody else might.Generic wrote:Obama is going to raise taxes if elected. On the super-wealthy and on corporations.
1. It's obscene right now, the way the people and organizations with the most resources wind up giving the least back, and that's one of the things Obama has made it his mission to correct.
I think many people entirely underestimate how much revenue we stand to recover just by repealing corporate tax breaks.
2. Hey, by the way, has anyone heard about the new clause in McCain's health care plan? Health insurance benefits will be taxed as income. I don't know why he thought that was a good idea, but hey, he's no expert on the economy, anyway.
Warren Buffett has a wager for anyone who would argue that point.Hoblit wrote:
1. Of course that's only relative in ratio. One might argue that they actually give the most back. I'm not, but somebody else might.
IF, and only IF he accomplishes something with this, I think its a terribly good idea. These guys do hold an elective office position as it stands right now. They do have responsibilities that they have taken time away from to campaign. Considering the severity of our economy right now, I can kind of see why they would need to be present in Washington.
"It's my belief that this is exactly the time when the American people need to hear from the person who in approximately 40 days will be responsible for dealing with this mess," Obama said. "I think that it is going to be part of the president's job to deal with more than one thing at once."
The best part is that under "related videos," the first item is the Miss South Carolina answer about students being unable to point out the U.S. on a map.Sober wrote: I also happened to find this particularly funny. Does anyone else cringe like I do when listening to that?