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Poor June wrote: i don't know how this got into a religious debate haha... but very interesting

Might I suggest looking at the thread title? Or reading the previous 10 pages or so?

kapitano wrote:

tviyh wrote: that sounds more like a description of the "early withdrawal" method rather than masturbation though.

the kind who believe but don't read - it's the justification for saying masturbation is a sin.

It's not the Bible's fault that people don't read it properly/at all.

It's not unusual. How many creationists know there's two incompatable creation stories in Genesis? How many opponants of same-sex marriage who endlessly quote Leviticus 18:32 know any other levitical laws?

You write as if the people of whom you speak would give two flying f**ks if they did receive this knowledge. Or one, even. Leviticus 18:32 is pretty clear on the subject, regardless of how other entries may have become humorously irrelevant two thousand years later. I have always been proud to be 'Abominable'.

j$

the sober irishman wrote:Would it have been a sin if Onan had spilled his seed on the wife's face, stomach, or mouth? That's more fun than the ground, anyways.

That's what made God so mad. He was trying to get him to loosen up, and then he goes and makes a mess on the ground. The apocryphal version goes into more detail:

"And God sayeth onto Onan, 'In your brother's widow there is a woman who needeth lovin', and liketh the juice. Don't you goeth wasting your seed on the ground.'"

j$ wrote:

How many creationists know there's two incompatable creation stories in Genesis?

You write as if the people of whom you speak would give two flying f**ks if they did receive this knowledge.

I know I know. If you want someone to lose their faith, wait till god fails to save their offspring from some terminal disease. Unless they're intelligent enough to rearrange their faith to fit.

Leviticus 18:32 is pretty clear on the subject, regardless of how other entries may have become humorously irrelevant two thousand years later.

Yes and no. With the stuff translated from Aramaic to English via Hebrew, Greek and (sometimes) Latin, it's not surprising strange translations crop up. Like 'Burning refuse pile' becomming 'Pit of fire'. Here 'Abomination' began life as something like 'unclean'. Once you know Leviticus is mostly about personal hygene, it starts to make sense.

I have always been proud to be 'Abominable'.

You're the abominable showman.

If DOG didn't want males to spill thier seed, he wouldn't have given us apossable thumbs!

One thing always missunderstood about the Bible in arguements are the multitude of different contexts in which it was written. I defend it as a great piece of written history. As far as literal interpretations, bah, men have used the concept of a God / Gods to control behavior since death and "the why are we here?" concepts first came to man.

...and just in case any of you wankers are thinking about committing the sin of Onan - think about this:



http://www.hosstyle.com/kittens.htm

Caravan Ray wrote:...and just in case any of you wankers are thinking about committing the sin of Onan - think about this:

http://www.hosstyle.com/kittens.htm

I am suprized any live. heh.

Kapitano wrote:

the sober irishman wrote:Would it have been a sin if Onan had spilled his seed on the wife's face, stomach, or mouth? That's more fun than the ground, anyways.

Only one way to find out.

Right. Who's got a wife?

I am happy to report that it is indeed, much more fun than the ground....



of course my wife may beg to differ, but she was sleeping at the time.

Fried wrote:If DOG didn't want males to spill thier seed, he wouldn't have given us apossable thumbs!

One thing always missunderstood about the Bible in arguements are the multitude of different contexts in which it was written.

But that's exactly what's being discussed.

I defend it as a great piece of written history. As far as literal interpretations ....

The difference being?

j$

Well, the Bible <i>is</i> historical in that it helps us peer into society as it was when the book was written, or sometimes and perhaps more often, as society was when the book was <i>re</i>-written several times throughout history. Reading the bible and also having learned a good deal about the context in which it was written could be historically interesting, in the same way that reading cave paintings is historically interesting (the stories behind cave paintings might be complete crap (or maybe not), but the paintings give us a good look into the minds of cavemen).

But then, what do I know? I've never read most of the Bible--it's so dry it makes me thirsty just reading it. Give me <i>The Silmarillion</i> over it any day.

Oh, and so on the other hand, j$, a literal interpretation might involve someone reading a cave painting and taking the message behind it completely to heart, perhaps without realizing the importance of metaphor and, especially, of context.

Hmmmm, my point was 'a well written piece of history' is 'a literal interpretation'. Words is words.

the problem with the Bible is it's just a bit dull. Even the dirty bits are dull. As far as Jewish stuff goes, I prefer Seinfeld or George Gershwin.

Caravan Ray wrote:the problem with the Bible is it's just a bit dull. Even the dirty bits are dull. As far as Jewish stuff goes, I prefer Seinfeld or George Gershwin.

Not all of it was dull! There's some good gory bits, and some hot sex.. it was the Desperate Housewives of it's time!
I could do without the whole " and Barashmeeil begat smarmyglaro who thusly begat jezzabeell ....." lists that go on and on and on... like we need to hear some big ass list of useless dead people.


But the Bible, hell, ANY religious story is full of some exciting stuff...some good moral lessons, and some super wacky bits. I liked it.

Mogosagatai wrote:reading a cave painting and taking the message behind it completely to heart, perhaps without realizing the importance of metaphor and, especially, of context.

metaphor? context? "oh, there are some dudes carrying spears and a big group of buffalo. the dudes symbolise hunters who probably lived in this cave, the spears symbolise weapons used to hunt food, and the buffalo symbolise dinner."

tviyh wrote:

Mogosagatai wrote:reading a cave painting and taking the message behind it completely to heart, perhaps without realizing the importance of metaphor and, especially, of context.

metaphor? context? "oh, there are some dudes carrying spears and a big group of buffalo. the dudes symbolise hunters who probably lived in this cave, the spears symbolise weapons used to hunt food, and the buffalo symbolise dinner."

I saw a cave painting of a No0b getting a spear shoved up his arse by what looked to be a Blue man... What could that mean?

P.S. Not all cave paintings are that easy to decipher.

Caravan Ray wrote:the problem with the Bible is it's just a bit dull. Even the dirty bits are dull.

Drop acid and read Revelations.

Puce wrote:Drop acid and read Revelations.

(first step optional. them guys were all pretty messed up when they had all those visions and wrote that stuff in the first place )

Puce wrote:

Caravan Ray wrote:the problem with the Bible is it's just a bit dull. Even the dirty bits are dull.

Drop acid and read Revelations.

I always found that supposedly trippy things would pale in comparison to a bowl full of jello while on acid....a bowl full of jello can hold the mysteries of the universe...that or a bucket full of crayons and a blank ceiling in your work bunkhouse.....course that was 12 years ago... but still.



JESUS DID PEYOTE.

Leaf wrote:

Puce wrote:

Caravan Ray wrote:the problem with the Bible is it's just a bit dull. Even the dirty bits are dull.

Drop acid and read Revelations.

I always found that supposedly trippy things would pale in comparison to a bowl full of jello while on acid....a bowl full of jello can hold the mysteries of the universe...that or a bucket full of crayons and a blank ceiling in your work bunkhouse.....course that was 12 years ago... but still.



JESUS DID PEYOTE.

Yeah, well jello is just sweetened and colored fat. Now go read revelations.

(I have actually listened to bible TAPES of revelations while on acid...one word: whoah)

Hoblit wrote:[
Yeah, well jello is just sweetened and colored fat. Now go read revelations.

(I have actually listened to bible TAPES of revelations while on acid...one word: whoah)

..I don't doubt it actually.... however, my trip out days are long behind me, and I've already read the Bible. A few times. I still don't believe in the religious heirarchy though... and I 'm not sold on the son of God thing either... or the humanistic God... I'd rather believe in Greek Myth to be honest, much more base and exciting!


HERCULES would kick MOSES' ass.

...I've seen the vegas odds...it's true...

Leaf wrote:

Hoblit wrote:[
Yeah, well jello is just sweetened and colored fat. Now go read revelations.

(I have actually listened to bible TAPES of revelations while on acid...one word: whoah)

however, my trip out days are long behind me,

Yes, let me clarify, mine too.