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AMotorMonkey wrote:Oops! Apologies.

I meant "boy and guitar" as a generic term for the voice and single guitar songs. I can now see and hear that you are definitely all female.
Heh. Actually, I think you're wrong again (Bjam's dad played the guitar, or am I wrong?) Anyhoo ...

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From one of her previous emails......
'Dark All Day
Written and sung by Bjam, played by the-father-of-Bjam'
It appears your right J$. Seems like a whole new genre here 'girl and dad and guitar'
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Well, the market is already cornered on the Girl and Dad and Midi genre.
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bzl wrote:Well, the market is already cornered on the Girl and Dad and Midi genre.
maddy & daddy & midi?

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j$ wrote:maddy & daddy & midi?
Yes! Now all they need is a collaboration with P Diddy.
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bzl wrote:
j$ wrote:maddy & daddy & midi?
Yes! Now all they need is a collaboration with P Diddy.
Ha! I actually think that Jim of Seattle, Poncho's Dad and Bjam's Dad should form a supergroup and show us (relatively) young wippersnappers how it's done... :)
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Sober got my vote for this fight. Just more talent there than the others and the harmonies were awesome. A little indulgent from the opening, but I forgave it cuz I know where it comes from. I liked Desheads entry, but it was too sugar coated for me in many ways, but nicely recorded for sure. Motor Monkeys was cool if the singing wasn't quite so pitchy. McCulloch etc. was pretty good, but the acoustic feel needed to be darker than the music allowed it to be. Where was C. Hack in this fight? Thought he would for sure, with this title, brought out the brooding blues folkiness. That's what I thought this title needed. Poor June was just great. One of my faves by you. Interesting elements. Southwest Statistic was cool, but too Alt Rock for my tastes cuz the market is just that saturated with this kind of sound. Good just too easy and done. And Wreckdom damn you make my mushroom trips that much darker. F&*$ers!!! :wink:
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j$ wrote:
AMotorMonkey wrote:Oops! Apologies.

I meant "boy and guitar" as a generic term for the voice and single guitar songs. I can now see and hear that you are definitely all female.
Heh. Actually, I think you're wrong again (Bjam's dad played the guitar, or am I wrong?) Anyhoo ...

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Okay, boy and guitar and girl. That work? And hey, if it means a new corner in the market, then yay money and unique-y-ness!!

And just to clarify ;) I can play the guitar fairly well, but I lack the fanciness that the fatehr has. Y'know, 40-odd years, versus the couple that I've been playing. That and his guitar sounds prettier than mine.
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A smattering of reviews. So many entries, so little time. Not here means one of two things: a) I didn't care about it or b) I didn't get to it. I'll let you guess.

Vote condenders:

Southwest Static: Holy Crap. My favorite changes, my favorite harmonic flavor (ninths and major sevenths). Almost too pop for me, and I'm pretty damned pop. But, man, Holy Crap. Solid form, solid melodies, good use of evolution of sounds; that squarish wave synth becomes an old friend by about 2:20. Vocals are buried Sundays-style, so the lyrics are apparent only as through fog; fine by me. The ending sucks, but only because I want this to go on.

Glenn Case and the Half Racks: This rocks. Sounds real to me, like I'm in the room. Not fancy, but honest. Endearing. I love the melody and the backing vocals; very, very well done. A favorite.

Motor Monkeys: I love this. Like Bowie riffing on Neil Diamond's saddest moment. The orchestral swells sound epic, the tinkerbell percusion is lovely, the breakdowns are welcome oases. I don't mind the length, because it's all tied together with long, slow changes. The form expertly overcomes the length.

Ken's Super Duper Band and Stuff: This pins me against the wall. Relentlessly lovely. I'm not enjoying the high flitty synth warble, but I can't say it's bad. Besides, it sounds nice with the little synth solor. The electric guitar could sound fuller, but that's trivial. This is just a good strummy alterna-tune. Lose the ending sound.

Creep: What a lovely sound, and you hit my theoretical buttons with your major/minor ambiguity; keeps it interesting. I really like the octave vocals (ease up on the phaser, though). This has a cool energy and a relaxed vibrancy. Like youth. Can't reject this. I am craving something more melodic by 3:30; maybe a flute-ish sound to take us out through the fade.

Bell Green featuring Leaf and Andy Belham: Nice phrasing. Nice energy. Nice rock simplicity with straightforward lyrics. The vocals are too out-front in the mix, especially the whispery parentheticals ("dark, dark" and "I'll be okay"), and I detect some clipping (limited a little too hard?) A solid rock song. I want a little something to push it along, though (a hair faster, maybe?). Lose one verse before the bridge to tighten the form; 4:50 is a bit much.

Sweet works in progress:

deshead: Clipping sucks. Delete the intro. :20 is too indulgent, especially since you go on for 3:40. Piano vamping is also too indulgent for such a long track. Your voice is undeniably strong, and fits the earnest lyrics to a tee. The break at "all be over" is delicious. By 2:00 I wish you had held something back; it's already at maximum power. I'd say keep the bass out until after the first "all be over" break. Tighten the form and you have a hit.

Bjam: Pretty song. A little inoffensive. I like the bridge a lot, like sunshine and coffee. Find a way to bite the listener a little harder.

A Different Monkey: Clipping sucks. Delete the entire intro, the first :54; the guitar melody is too linear decending. Replace it with the out-tro. Find a dynamic riff to contrast the two-chord pattern. I like chorus a lot, especially the organ arppegios. Put some sound that changes slowly over the course of the song to glue it all together.

Likely Lads: I don't believe you. This is a great example of a good techincal job without the passion. Sounds authentic, but somehow removed. Like Weird Al gave up parody. The chromatic skipping in the chorus is fun, but it somehow doesn't sound "dark...in the depths of [your] mind". More like "have another beer, wouldn't it fun to be hardcore?". I'd sell 50% of the recording wizardry and buy 50% more honesty.

I chuckled a bit and moved on:

WreckdoM: Vincent Price is dancing in his grave.

Jake Holmes: Jose Felliciano killed by an elephant. The insincerity is noteworthy.
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Future Boy wrote:
the sober irishman wrote:
Future Boy wrote: why beat a dead horse? If you are good enough to accomplish creating such a good "shameless pop rock" song, then you are good enough to be innovative in some way that pushes it just far enough outside of the cookie-cutter genre to be interesting"
Not this argument again. We went through this with Brother Machine. I'm not saying anything further. You know it was a silly thing to say.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall that thread being about how BroMac was upset about being called "poppy" when he didn't think he was anything of the kind. I don't recall anyone asking him to do it differently, in fact I think most people wanted him to keep on churning out the hits. Furthermore, I wasn't trying to start an argument, I was expressing my opinion (oh damn i hate the opinion card). I hold myself to the same standard.

P.S. Southwest Statistic - Michael Jackson, taken in context, is actually a bad example of how bad pop can get, I think.
If I recall correctly, it was Blue, of all people, who came out saying he should change what he was doing, to explore his music and experiment. While that's good advice for anyone, it's not really anyone's place to tell someone that. That's generally the consensus that was reached.
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Songfight is where people tell other people what they think of their songs in specific and their music in general.

It is misleading to suggest that a consensus is ever reached about anything.
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A Different Monkey: Interesting panning. Cheap snare + lots o' reverb. The reverse horn or string thing is pretty neato. The super-dry vocal feels out of place in the wet mix. I like the simplicity in much of the arrangement. The "it's been" bit in the right channel is too low, or too far right or something. Holy pitch problems at the end, Batman. Pretty cool song.

Andre: My reviews of your songs are generally the same: Rythym problems abounding, your lyric flow is very akward, and your vocals wander from good to annoying. This sounds like Marcus Kellis doing America.

Anonymous Musings: Waiting for 'song' to start... Oh, how silly of me, I thought Songfight was a place for musicians, not neo-beatnik art majors who wear berets and smoke clove cigarettes. And I can hear you fumbling with your mic at the end. /snaps fingers, then gives the finger.

Bell Green y amigos: The intro is fucking heaven. Then it goes downhill a little. The vocal tracks don't mesh perfectly, and I don't know about that filter. Basically, my only input on this song is - more vocal takes or a stronger singer. Good song.

Bjam: One of the better female singers I've heard here. I like that I can hear your Scottish accent here and there. Very nice guitar playing. Great stuff. Can't wait to hear more stuff from you, and you'll only get better.

Creep: Ultra-pop track + Pink Floyd vocals = loss of interest. 1. Change that fucking track. 2. Back off the reverb a bit, it sounds like you have a good voice, so let us hear it

Josh WooDeshead - Yeah, Josh's drums usually sound better than this. The drums sound really muddy. Bring up 10k and above on the whole drum track. Incredible vocal performance. I think, rather than Deshead being JW, Deshead is actually Counting fucking Crows. I'd say all you need is a better name, and you're set.

FWC: I was actually digging this 'til the vocals came in. Nothing beat a good-sounding synth arpeggiating a neat chord. The drum track would be more effective if it was more aggressive. Currently, it's not making my speakers do anything. Techno-y bass kicks should make my sub punch my ballsack. The crescendo-y lead thing is pretty neato. Watch the levels on the vocals, it sounds like you overload just a little around 2:45. Overall, this is better than most midi/FL/loop based Songfight submissions. Work on the production a little, though, particularly the vocals. Great arrangement.

Glenn Case y los Half Racks: Who mixed this? It feels really wimpy. It's like the lead vocals have no hi's, and the rest of the mix is only hi's. Extra points for tambourine. Weird solo guitar sound. Vintage, I suppose. I suppose this is a pretty good GC attack on The Who ;)

Heuristics N'sInc: Always with the seizures. It's like... goth-pop... There. You've been branded for life. You are now the eternal king of goth-pop. Ha. ha. ha. You and Starfinger should make tracks for each other one week and see if anyone notices.

Jake Holmes: You're not fooling me. The voice behind all that crap is really the guy from the B52's. Admit it. I GOT ME A CHRYSLER AND ITS AS BIG AS A WHALE AND ITS ABOUT TO SET SAIL!!!!!! Wow, "I'll kiss you for as long as you can hold your breath." Simple as hell, but that's an incredible line. Best voice/guitar sound I've ever heard on Songfight. Very fucking hip track.

Kapitano and TVK: Sounds like Frontalittle. The chorus vocals sound like Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Whoever that is singing, you need to do South Park-esque songs from now on, and I will vote for them every week. The beat sounds like it was lifted from Ace of Base.

Ken's SDBS: Wonky. Your voice... it's almost... Awesome. Ah, the delay, bring that up, that adds more awesomeness. I'm surprised this didn't go anywhere, Ken. I would have expected drums to pick up and the synths to drop out at some point. I'll definitely check out that acoustic remix.

Likely Lads: I don't know if you were going for hilarious, but you nailed it. Oh Jesus, this is the funniest thing I've ever heard on Songfight I think... Well, aside from Starfinger and Pompeii. Which brings me to say that you should listen to Pompeii's Stand in the Circle for a good idea of how the mix should sound. Also, like Pompeii, you should laugh at some point in the song so we don't think you're serious. If you are serious, I will make fun of you.

McCulloch/Carlier: Cashpoint-esque, to be sure. Just the right amount of reverb on the vocals, good job. Get those background vocals lined up with the lead better, and pull them back slightly, only by like 2db. This is a very very very nice song. Reminds me of the White Hat. Look in the Archive for his Cosmic Confirmation.

Motor Monkeys: I don't know about the acoustic sound. Sounds really thin. This is really solid. Not much I can say about this. Hooray for big toms.

Poor June: You fucking hippy. Not really much I can add to what's probably already been said. Muddy-ass sound, the piano soudns like ass, the recorder thing sounds like it has no relation to the rest of the song at all. Plodding rythym works if it's steady. This is cool, I suppose.

The Sober Irishman: For the most part, I don't like my voice. I'm not alone in this sentiment, I know. I'm so used to hearing mistakes in my voice when I do certain things that, when I listen to this, I'm genuinely surprised that they aren't happening. There's still a couple places when I'm a bit under the pitch, but oh well. At least I didn't do that annoying warble thing I often do when I get up in the D-E area. All in all, I'm very satisfied with my vocal performance this week. It could certainly improve, of course.

Southwest Statistic: The kick sounds like ass. Cardboard ass. I don't really like the snare sound either. NSKit is great, man, but you gotta work with it. IT's meant to be tweaked, eq'd, and generally fucked with, rather than be used right out of the box. Otherwise, the drumtrack will sound lifeless, like it does here. Congrats on the 'most radio-ready' sound here, I guess, along with Deshead.

Wreckdom: You're a good three weeks late for Halloween, dude. Oh, man. You're a dork. I can't stop smiling. WHERE'S MY MARTINI?

Rockin Oxen: I don't think this should have been removed at all. Granted, it was bad, but I don't think it was offensive at all. I've had similar songs written about me, by a couple people. I guess this makes me, Blue, and Erik the only Songfighters with battlesongs against them.

Pretty good fight. Lots of songs with people trying to be scary, but sounding silly. Deshead and SWStat are obvious strong numbers. Bjam shows a huge amount of promise for future fights. Likely Lads made me laugh more than Wreckdom, even though Wreckdom was trying to be funny and LL weren't, I think.

Not sure who to vote for yet.
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Josh Woodward, you are the Newman to my Seinfeld. To figure out what your pseudonym was that you submitted under this week, I simply looked through my reviews to see who I hated the most. It was easy. Josh Woodward = Jake Holmes.
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No way, dude, Jake Holmes is totally Max the Cat!! There's totally a -consensus- about it. Yeah...
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yeah. and besides, josh submitted as "the sober irishman".
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hey to everyone and let me apololgize for not introducing myself earlier...but hey. thanks for the reviews and suffering mine, it took something to submit, and although i know that the entry i offered was not yet song"y", it was lyrical...i thought, and would like to develop it song wise..so, sorry for not prefacing, dig it for what it was or dis it, it was what it is until it changes...thanks for not ripping me to bad....peace.
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Same sentiment...

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I too, would like to thank everyone for listening to and giving honest opinions about my very weak song. Things were harsh at first...but you actually started giving me some usable information instead of just ripping on me.....thanks. This week I think I'll come much stronger since I know you people don't F*CK around. Listen in, maybe i'll surprise you.........maybe not......i'm out.
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tviyh wrote:yeah. and besides, josh submitted as "the sober irishman".
Does that mean I win?
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creep wrote:I too, would like to thank everyone for listening to and giving honest opinions about my very weak song..
What a nice man. I must collaborate with him sometime.
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review time, better late than never.
will keep it short, don't have much time. need to get back and try to come up with another annoying song before the morning comes.

<B>A Different Monkey -</b> B+ <i>possible vote</i>
very cool, bouncy beat, with laid back guitar tracks. vocals remind me allot of former song fighter Blind mime ensemble, check him out his good.
pretty unique sound i and enjoy it. could of done with out the outro.

<B>Anonymous Musings-</b>C+
is this William Shatner?? Amusing yes, Anonymous yes.. interesting yes.
thanks for keeping it short.

<B>Bell Green feat. Leaf and Andy Balham-</b>C
Music was OK, vocals and rhythm was a bit slow for me.... is like the whole song drags.. but the song does have its cool dark and moody moments.

<B>Bjam!-</b>C+
really like your guitar player(aka dad). the layers of guitars and bass are simple but cool. on your singing, its starts off a bit out of tone, but halfway through the song it gets better.. the last chorus is better than the first one. keep on practicing on controlling your tone on the vocals, and don't be shy about submitting songs. the bar has been set pretty low around here, and i would like to think i have contribute to that.

<B>Creep-</b>C-
ok song.. the vocals are creepy... a bit high in the mix as well i think.. like the effect of the high and low pitch vocals mixed in together.. but after a while rhythm get boring.

<B>deshead-</b>B+ <i>possible vote</i>
strum, strum, strum...nice.
WHAT? Jesus... you sound to close to like JW for comfort, but this is a bit more edgy that Woodward songs. am a sucker for those country pattern drums. sorry if the comparisons keep on coming but even the lyrics sound like something Woodward would write.

<B>fwc-</b>C
like the depressing vocals, but the riffy synths is getting annoying like hell.
interesting groove.. would it sounded allot better if that Nintendo wasn’t playing the background.

<B>Glenn Case and the Half Racks-</b>B
don't know why, but hue Lewis and the news come to mind when listening to this... has that same 80's feel to it i guess. good song, very well compose.. but your high pitch vox, is the downer.. really would like to hear this song done in a smooth male vox. nice guitar solo as well.

<B>Heuristics Inc.-</b>D-
ohhh, don't know why the title inspired you to create such a upbeat industrial song, as for am more of a fan of your dark, dark gothic songs.

<B>Jake Holmes-</b>intro: D- song:A
Max the cat has hit his experimental years..... bummers... don't know what was the point the 1:30 long intro. the rest of the song is just beautiful.

<B>Kapitano feat. TV's Kyle-</b>A <i>possible vote</i>
interesting collab. MR. Kyle you can rap. this is pretty cool. Funny this is my favorite song so far from both of you guys. you guys should collab more often.

<B>Ken's Super Duper Band n' Stuff-</b>B+ <i>possible vote</i>
Reminds me of some 90's band.. but can't remember who.. a little bit of social distortion, mix with something else. Either way i like it. i would of left out the synths though.

<B>The Likely Lads-</b>C+
are you Irish and sober as well ?? song does nothing for me sorry. the vocal harmonies are very well done though.

<B>McCulloch/Carlier-</b>A <i>possible vote</i>
this sounds a bit like mr. J$ singing a decemberist song. like the sappiness of it. a simple guitar strum rhythm, with a very nice vocal melody.
Man, that one pop..

<B>The Likely Lads-</b>A <i>possible vote</i>
Jesus, let me guess your British and sound like coldplay.
Either way, it sounds good. Vocals can do better.

<B>Poor June-</b>B-
Really don't know what you were going for with the recorder.. Actually at times it does fit in, just for a small moment, but then you just over use it.
like the piano/guitar combo. And your vox is very cool as always.
Leave the recorder for the 2nd grader and your song would be better off.

<B>The Sober Irishman-</b> A+ <i> VOTE</i>
Fucker! You got music pouring out of your pores, and I’ll beat you don’t even know it.
This is great. Love the half country and half Dejango jazz feel to it.. I like everything about this song, the guitars, when the accordion come in, how it speeds up it slows down…<I>in envy: FUCKER!. </I>

<B>Southwest Static-</b>A
Nice, a bit poppy for my taste and sounds a lot like last weeks song.
Have you Patten your style yet ?

<B>WreckdoM-</b>C
nice opera. Need to download this for next year Halloween party.
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