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Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:43 pm
by c.layne
Leaf wrote:And after those SUPER amazing saber battles... I realized that Darth and Obi's battle in "new hope" sucked total ass.
haha, i was thinking the same thing. but they were both old in ep IV, that's what i tell myself.
i really enjoyed it, it had a few lines of dialogue that turned my stomach, but so did the originals for that matter. i actually thought hayden acted much better in this one than he did ep II.
i'm glad i got to see what alderan looked like before they fucking blew it up.
Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:53 pm
by Lunkhead
I just re-watched Ep. IV last week for the first time in a long time, and still really enjoyed it. Darth and Obi Wan's "final" battle is definitely a huge let-down now, though. Ass-kicking Republic general Obi Wan who lead armies in the Clone Wars and beat pre-Darth to a pulp basically just puts up his saber and lets Darth kill him, after brooding 20 years in the desert on Tatooine. WTF?! It's a very unsatisfying ending to the one character that I empathize with in the new trilogy, no matter what the explanation. (EDIT: By that I meant, don't bother trying to provide some explanation for it, as it won't make it any more satisfying for me)
Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 10:54 pm
by nuero
fhgdfg he helped Luke (as a SPIRIT) defeat Vader later duh
Posted: Mon May 23, 2005 11:03 pm
by c.layne
yeah, supposedly he just became a part of the force because he knew he could help luke better that way. or something.
Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:39 pm
by blue
i agree 100% with RxW - it sucked. all that stuff sparks said isn't true, tho.
Posted: Wed May 25, 2005 1:49 pm
by ken
Lunkhead wrote: It's a very unsatisfying ending to the one character that I empathize with in the new trilogy, no matter what the explanation. (EDIT: By that I meant, don't bother trying to provide some explanation for it, as it won't make it any more satisfying for me)
Yeah, you'll have to see Episode Three to understand.
Ken
Posted: Thu May 26, 2005 12:06 am
by Freddielove
Yeah, the whole if you strike me down you only make me more powerful line. I remember not understanding that when I saw it originally 25 years ago.
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 12:11 am
by Lunkhead
ken wrote:Lunkhead wrote: It's a very unsatisfying ending to the one character that I empathize with in the new trilogy, no matter what the explanation. (EDIT: By that I meant, don't bother trying to provide some explanation for it, as it won't make it any more satisfying for me)
Yeah, you'll have to see Episode Three to understand.
Ken
Are you serious or is this some kind of Jedi mind trick to get me to see the third "new" one?
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 12:13 am
by Hoblit
Lunkhead wrote:ken wrote:Lunkhead wrote: It's a very unsatisfying ending to the one character that I empathize with in the new trilogy, no matter what the explanation. (EDIT: By that I meant, don't bother trying to provide some explanation for it, as it won't make it any more satisfying for me)
Yeah, you'll have to see Episode Three to understand.
Ken
Are you serious or is this some kind of Jedi mind trick to get me to see the third "new" one?
It gets explained. Very subtley, but you learn about a new power that has been used to decieve one guy but to empower another.
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 10:45 am
by sparks
c.layne wrote:Leaf wrote:And after those SUPER amazing saber battles... I realized that Darth and Obi's battle in "new hope" sucked total ass.
haha, i was thinking the same thing. but they were both old in ep IV, that's what i tell myself.
i really enjoyed it, it had a few lines of dialogue that turned my stomach, but so did the originals for that matter. i actually thought hayden acted much better in this one than he did ep II.
i'm glad i got to see what alderan looked like before they fucking blew it up.
The problem wasn't that they sucked in the originals, it was that they had some trace of subtlety. The new ones are all ninja-flips and shit. It's Lucas's fault. You can try to rationalize it by saying they're old and out of practice, sure, but it's really just that the director lost all sense of art.
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:14 am
by Hoblit
sparks wrote:c.layne wrote:Leaf wrote:And after those SUPER amazing saber battles... I realized that Darth and Obi's battle in "new hope" sucked total ass.
haha, i was thinking the same thing. but they were both old in ep IV, that's what i tell myself.
i really enjoyed it, it had a few lines of dialogue that turned my stomach, but so did the originals for that matter. i actually thought hayden acted much better in this one than he did ep II.
i'm glad i got to see what alderan looked like before they fucking blew it up.
The problem wasn't that they sucked in the originals, it was that they had some trace of subtlety. The new ones are all ninja-flips and shit. It's Lucas's fault. You can try to rationalize it by saying they're old and out of practice, sure, but it's really just that the director lost all sense of art.
Uh, The Force is a cross between a theological medium and a ninja like training. Are you insinuating that an action packed ninja sword fight shouldn't include powerful jumps and flips? Did all those kung fu movies back in the day suck too? Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon? All they are saying is that when Kanobi and Vader meet in episodeIV, it lacks the same enthusiasm as their bout in episodeIII. Because they are older? Well, thats just what we're telling ourselves. Their previous fight in episodeIII is clearly more fun and exciting to watch and just as pertinent to the story. (please excuse spellng errors) Lets not forget that by the time young Luke is done with his training he too is flipping and jumping all over the place.
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 11:19 am
by Leaf
uh... no. The problem was he had a small budget for what he wanted to accomplish back in the 70's, so he couldn't do the things exactly the way he wanted to. The ninja flips and stuff are awesome.
Clearly, he should do another CGI edit on "new hope" and spice that fight up.
Obviously.
Cause that's what we all want to see.
And while he's at it, he should have Vader go "hey..my droid... I built that thing!!"
See, how could anyone NOT know that Vader was Anakin? I mean, it wasn't a secret...
why didn't Anakin check out a doctor to see why his woman would potentially die in Childbirth? Retard.
Anakin may have the highest "midiclorian" levels of all time, but he sure wasn't the brightest apple to fall from the tree.
Upon futher reflection... Yoda nearly beats the emperor... Obi Wan destroys Vader... uh...what's with the "I must go into exile... I've failed" bullshit. Damn, they coulda ganged up and destroyed those guys. And HELLO OBI, finish the fuckin job.
As an action/fun summer flick, it was cool. As the answer to my desire to further enjoy the story of Star Wars, it kinda licked. There were no real "suprises" in plot. It seemed too soap operaish.
I hear Lucas is makin a prequel to "Corvette Summer" next. It should rock.
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 2:18 pm
by frankie big face
Leaf wrote:
I hear Lucas is makin a prequel to "Corvette Summer" next. It should rock.
Haha. I saw that as part of a drive-in double feature with Star Wars in 1978.
Sparks is right about one thing for sure--Lucas did a terrible job directing these movies and basically sucked the human element right out of them with his CGI bullshit. While watching the original Star Wars, no-one I know was thinking "this light saber dual is slow because they're old and can't do flips and stuff." We bought it because it looked methodical and deliberate. The point seemed to be economy of movement and there is more of a fencing style to the dual. The flipping Yoda thing in AotC is just ridiculous. If you have to walk with a cane, then you can't do flips and shit when you're fighting. Or if you have the ability to do all that stuff, then apply it to your legs and walk like everyone else. In fact, I hate the CGI Yoda, period. Bring back the fucking muppet version already. At least he had a sense of humor and didn't walk around with a constant grave look on his face.
I still liked the new movie. I'm going to go see it again tomorrow.
Posted: Fri May 27, 2005 4:41 pm
by nuero
frankie big face wrote:In fact, I hate the CGI Yoda, period.
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:32 pm
by JonPorobil
I hated the CGI Yoda in AotC, but then in Ep III, they gave him the power of facial expression... Suddenly, Yoda is out-acting most of his co-stars. That's the power of the Force, there.
My verdict on Episode III: Thumbs up.
I wrote
a much longer review on my blog, but nobody cares.
Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:36 pm
by fodroy
i gave it a thumbs up too. ep. I sucked. i never saw ep. II. but this one reminded me how much i loved star wars as a kid (i would tell the sunday school teachers that my name was luke ).
congratulations, george lucas. you surprised me.
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:03 pm
by HeuristicsInc
it had its own sucky bits, my wife and i have discussed them in detail, but on the whole i enjoyed it. definitely better than 1 & 2 but not as good as 4 5 or 6, that's my verdict.
-bill
Posted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:13 pm
by Mogosagatai
fodroy wrote:I sucked.
Huh. Huh-huh-huh.
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:35 pm
by Ryan Rickenbach
I watched all 6 in five days and throughout all 6 I was thoroughly entertained. You just have to accept it for what it is and enjoy it. I can go through most movies with a closed mind and make fun of it the whole way through, or I could relax and just have fun while watching it. I prefer the latter.
Besides, I think any character is better than that whiny loser Luke in the first two. He's annoying. "I don't WANNA go farm, I wanna play with my SPACESHIPS AND MAKE SOUND EFFECTS WOO WOO". He was cool in the 3rd, however. Anakin just seemed much more realistic to me. (Now point at me and laugh, but that's how I feel)
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:17 pm
by Southwest_Statistic
the Jazz wrote:New worst band name ever: The MIDI Chlorians.
Out of this entire thread, (and I just read the whole thing,) this struck me as the most funny.
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:01 am
by HeuristicsInc
there was zero romantic chemistry between anakin and his lady. he was whiny and angry and annoying and most people can't imagine why she would even want to be near him. also, his decision to join the darkside was abrupt and made no sense. he's all, i'm a jedi! then suddenly, no, i'm a sith and i swear fealty for ever! that should probably have happened a bit slower.
realistic? i don't think so.
-bill
Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:05 pm
by WeaselSlayer
The rest of it lacked realism as well. I mean, a robot with lungs!? Microscopic entities that make things move and lightning happen out of people's fingers? PSH.