The Song Fight Bulletin Board

Albatross wrote:Does Armageddon Machines = Heuristics Inc. + j$? It sure sounds like it. And that's exactly how I would expect something from the two of you to sound. I love it, thank you.

Armageddon Machines = Niveous (vox), j$ (Backing vox and opinions) and Heuristics Inc. every other thing. When it's just me and Bill, it's called Dollar Bill and the Inkpoints. I also think Niv & Bill have collaborated without me in the past (how rude ) - but I forget right now the name they go under, if I'm right about that.

j$

fluffy wrote:If there's a Heuristics Inc + Niveous and a J$ + Niveous then you can form a complete Abelian group.

I'm sure there's a music pun hidden in that math pun, too.

Heuristics Inc. + J$ = Dollar Bill and the Inkpoints
Heuristics Inc. + J$ + Niveous = Armageddon Machines
Heuristics Inc. + Niveous = The Montserratian Secret Police
Niveous + J$ = Transatlantic Fight Club

So you should rename yourselves the Abelians.

Math Fight!

I'm thinking this is nearly an Abelian group but not quite. No inverse elements. Seems like the relevant operation here would be "forming a band together," or union, and the identity element would be "nobody," or the null set, and our set A={nobody, j$, Heuristics Inc., Niveous, Dollar Bill and the Inkpoints, The Montserratian Secret Police, Transatlantic Fight Club, Armageddon Machines}. That covers us for Closure, Associativity, Identity element, & Commutativity., Still... I don't see any inverse elements, such that, say, Heuristics Inc. forming a band with his inverse equals no band at all.

I figured that the existence of the inverses was implied, like Armageddon Machines - J$ = The Montserratian Secret Police or whatever.

At least we could have them form a power set, though.

Hmm... negative people... negative bands... Yes, I like it. Fluffy's right, y'all should call yourselves The Abelians.

user wrote:negative people... negative bands...

I think Song Fight just found a new tag line.


P.S. I'm making good progress on my cover now...I should have something in by the end of the week.

wow, that discussion turned a whole new level of geeky. excellent!
-bill
PS you're welcome, albatross !

And...here it is. Hope it was worth the wait!

I will also e-mail a copy to Niv for the official page.

I can't believe no one bothered to make a Venn diagram.

HeuristicsInc wrote:Wow, now that's a very good song that I have never heard before, but actually includes an artist I like very much.
-bill

Just noticed this post. Were you talking about Steven Wilson or Aviv Geffen?

And goddammit I'm getting this thing done within the next several days if it kills me.

Now, that's a thing of beauty ...

Totally awesome, Albatross!
Yeah, Steven Wilson; I have been a fan of Porcupine Tree since 1995 or so (The Sky Moves Sideways) and No-Man too, but I hadn't heard of this band. Thanks for introducing me to them.
-bill

Sweet. Personally, I think Steven Wilson is the single greatest rock musician currently working. With a new album out tomorrow!

Awesome. Huh, it's not on Spotify. Maybe that's because Spotify pays for crap.
-bill

I am a terrible stiffer this year. I promise I will still deliver.

Jeff, BYD is in the same boat. At least elections are done now so I can breathe a bit.

And it's on me this time - Al's done the music tracks and been waiting on my vocals for a few months now. I'll see what I can do in the next week to clear the debt...

OK, this is getting ridiculous. This has been hanging over my head for months now and I am now making an executive decision as far as the GoM goes.

I am fluffy’s gifter. When I went through his list originally, the Katamari Damacy song became by far my favorite of the four, and it really wasn’t close. The other three, while I wouldn’t necessarily call them bad songs, did absolutely nothing for me. Just total nothingburgers. I didn’t like them enough to emulate them faithfully and I didn’t hate them enough to wanna completely wreck them into something else entirely. And I’m pretty heavily into video game music as it is, so the choice was obvious.

The more I listened to it, though, I began to wonder if I was in over my head. That song is composed and arranged fairly intricately, and eventually I gave up the thought of covering it because I believed it was simply beyond my capability to cover it. I just picked what I thought was the easiest of the remaining three and said OK, I’m gonna do that one instead. Well, we’ve seen what happened. I never went near it. The motivation to cover it simply wasn’t there. I don’t mean this to be an excuse, that’s just the way it was.

So I am relieving myself of the nothingburgers and will in fact attempt to cover the song from Katamari Damacy after all. It’s what I should have done right from the beginning. I like it the most, and I think I’d enjoy trying to cover it the most. Perhaps I could enlist the help of someone like Ranger Den to sing it, or maybe it’ll just be an instrumental. Hell, I’d let anyone join in if they wanted to help out. I may make a somewhat competent cover, or I may fail spectacularly. We’ll see. But I really feel like I need to at least try it. And stiffing is not (and was never) an option. No estimates as far when it’ll get done, but it’ll at least be done before the next GoM. It may be weeks, months, who knows. Again, I just feel like I need to do it, and this could be a great recording (relatively speaking) if I could somehow pull it off.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Well, that's pretty unfair that you got assigned to me twice, since you also got me a few years ago (and did Take Five). And to be honest the reason I chose the other three songs was because I really, really wanted to hear Lonely Rolling Star get covered (but would have been incredibly impressed if one of the others had been taken instead, and hearing totally-wrecked takes on them would have been interesting at least).

Also I still sort of owe BBABM for 2011 (Niveous stepped up for me when I was having major health problems but I still intend on finally doing a song from his choices back then), so don't worry too much about stiffing me.

Albatross wrote:Sweet. Personally, I think Steven Wilson is the single greatest rock musician currently working. With a new album out tomorrow!

I really like his Rush covers on the new album.
But seriously Hand. Cannot. Erase. is amazeballz! From opinions I've seen, I think it's too intense for the average listener. It's almost as if it's an album for musicians to enjoy.

I'll let my stiffer off the hook if he wants off the hook, I'm just curious who you are and what song you decided to maybe cover but then didn't.

glennny wrote:I'll let my stiffer off the hook if he wants off the hook, I'm just curious who you are and what song you decided to maybe cover but then didn't.

We're still on the hook. Most of the way through 'Watching the Detectives' with a different time signature. Life's been getting in the way to finish the vocal tracks, so it was on the far back burner, but it will be done. I'm actually ordering new equipment to build a podcasting/ radio/studio setup in the basement so I can do better listening parties. But at the moment the basement and equipment are encased in piles of boxes.

So you are stiffed, but not permanently. Plus, I want to see how this take on it comes out. Should be interesting.

That sounds great, that's a good song for you guys. I'm excited to hear it when it comes out!