Modern democracy (was: COVID-19 freakout thread)

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Where in the fuck is Prince on your list?
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Where in the fuck is Prince on your list?
Charles or Phillip? Sure, they’re both great and all that - but they are no Cliff Richard.
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Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
The Jimi Hendrix Experience

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Pigfarmer Jr wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:35 pm
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
The Jimi Hendrix Experience

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are you reinforcing my “quarterback” theory? Otherwise you would have written The Heartbreakers and The Experience?

(Oh and you did ask a good question to me about trump and presidential power earlier I will get back to when I get a chance)
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Caravan Ray wrote:
Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:06 am
Pigfarmer Jr wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 6:35 pm
Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers
The Jimi Hendrix Experience

personal bias implemented at MAX level
are you reinforcing my “quarterback” theory? Otherwise you would have written The Heartbreakers and The Experience?

I just like those two bands enough to try to sidetrack an otherwise great metaphor. But they are both interesting in that I think that the stars were what carried the band (obviously) but without the other components these bands couldn't have been what they were. (The exception being Band of Gypsies was an even "better" band but so different it's hard to compare and they wouldn't have been possible without the Experience.) Even with a great quarterback it often takes a damn good team to reach true success. Another case where we give credit/blame to the quarterback. Which makes sense because the quarterbacks did most of the songwriting but doesn't make sense because without Mike or Mitch the bands aren't the same. Or maybe that makes your metaphor stronger? At any rate, I just think those two bands don't get mentioned enough in greatest of all time (bands) lists.
Caravan Ray wrote:
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(Oh and you did ask a good question to me about trump and presidential power earlier I will get back to when I get a chance)
Don't feel obligated. I'm only here as a visitor. After ten years of avoiding this forum like the plague, I'm beginning to realize why it was a good idea. Even though y'all are being entirely more cordial than I'd have thought. That being said, I am interested in the answer.
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An interesting read on constitutional law and Australian Indigenous rights.

Australia’s Constitutional Answer To Structural Racism

The researcher who wrote this, Dr Shireen Morris, is an amazing woman who ran for Labor in my seat at the last election. Unfortunately she was defeated by this shitcunt, the king of sports rorts.
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crumpart wrote:
Mon Jun 29, 2020 11:18 am
An interesting read on constitutional law and Australian Indigenous rights.

Australia’s Constitutional Answer To Structural Racism

The researcher who wrote this, Dr Shireen Morris, is an amazing woman who ran for Labor in my seat at the last election. Unfortunately she was defeated by this shitcunt, the king of sports rorts.
Yes. Not a bad article.

No actual answers - just a lot of pointy-headed layers espousing what should happen but without offering any suggestions of a way forward. A bit like Caravan Ray really.

And like Caravan Ray - she is pointing to constitutional faults. As I suggested many pages ago - the Uluru Statement from the Heart is entirely reasonable. That it is not adopted into our Constitution is an example of systemic racism.

Likewise - the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence was written by slave owners. It is a nation built on systemic racism. A nation that cannot acknowledge that is a failed state. You have to change your Constitution and form a modern state that is based on non-racist philosophy.

Otherwise Mr Trump will be you last President. And First Emperor.
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Fri Jun 19, 2020 8:00 am
I think you make a very valid point that the office of the president has too much power. And whether our constitution permits it or not does not change the fact that it has not restrained it. But I am curious. Do you have a list of things this president has accomplished (and not just said) that you feel indicates the office has too much power? Do you have specifics? And did you hold this same belief with the last president?
Ok. This is a good question.

Answer. No - I don't have a list of things this president has accomplished that you feel indicates the office has too much power.

Mainly - because I really don't follow USA very closely and I generally don't know what a USA President does. Generally...

I knew when US forces illegally invaded Iraq. Because Australian forces were part of that illegal invasion. And GWB and John Howard will burn in hell for the million Iraqi civilians that died as a result of that illegal action.

I knew when GWB refused to ratify the Kyoto Protocol because John Howard supported him and we simply cannot count the untold misery that those two cunts have subjected future generations to with their mindfucking ignorance.

In those cases - I assumed that GWB was not making decisions. He had a cabal of minions from hell who were all on his wavelength. It was not one person with GWB. The entire USA government was pure evil.

Now.....we miss the days of the cabal of pure evil. You can trust a cabal of pure evil.

Now...It seriously seems like you are letting one fuckwit make actual decisions!!!

Why was the border closing for Covid 19 so fucked? Did that guy actually have a say?!?!? Why?!?!
Has can this guy just say the USA will not fund WHO?!!? Can he do that??!?
Can this guy actually sent National Guard into states? Why would one person be able to do that?!?

The most comforting thing I have sen about Mr Trump is the stuff about Russians paying for Iranian hits on US forces. It appears that your own intelligence people are smart enough to hide stuff from him. Which reinforces my question:

WHY THE FUCK DO YOU GIVE POWER TO ONE PERSON!!!!!
It is 18th century nonsense. Your country has to grow up.

Isn't that what you whole revolution (tax-avoidance scheme) was all about?
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The usual "handlers" and "supporting cast" apparently are only as relevant to the decision making process as the president allows them to be, is what people all up and down seem to be learning, to their horror:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/politics ... index.html

Except, they're not horrified enough to actually do anything about it. I think the Republican party just wants power at all costs and they're not going to get in the way of their "populist" figurehead guy no matter what kind of insanity he perpetrates. At least not until his poll numbers are down low enough. Maybe not even then though. We'll see.
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On COVID freakout news - we're back into another 6 weeks of lockdown, which is going to totally screw with my dinner plans.
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Lunkhead wrote:
Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:55 am
Except, they're not horrified enough to actually do anything about it. I think the Republican party just wants power at all costs and they're not going to get in the way of their "populist" figurehead guy no matter what kind of insanity he perpetrates. At least not until his poll numbers are down low enough. Maybe not even then though. We'll see.
This is the bit I genuinely don't get.

There is a whole big Republican Party I assume - All those Republican politicians - aren't they watching their jobs?

I really don't know how your thing works. Here - as soon as low level politicians think they might lose their seat in Parliament - they gang up against the leader.

This separation of your President from your Congress is really weird. If there was a Republican congressperson who could take the top job if Trump was dumped - he'd would have been gone ages ago.

It is weird.
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