Elin Nordegren's First Born (Tigerlily Reviews)

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Elin Nordegren's First Born (Tigerlily Reviews)

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I'm looking forward to a bunch of homages to Natalie Merchant's Tigerlily, aka the greatest album ever. This is gonna be awesome!
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Post by Egg »

First note: New reviews
The BeWells:
It's interesting to hear something that doesn't feel quite as dated. I like this and you succeeded at making a crisp, clear and wistful story.

Comfort:
There's some interesting play between that fast and slow sounds going on here. Does that make sense? Good dynamic. I feel like the vocals could use that sort of dual speed layering at some point too. This sounds good, so I'll probably listen to it again even though I kind of wish it tried to be more engaging. I don't know if any of this makes sense. Bah.

Second Note: I say repetitive a lot. Isn't that hilariously funny?

Third Note: I just used a pleonasm! Pleonasm is kind of a pleonasm itself! the laughs don't stop, ever. Hah, another one!

Reviews!

Big Mouth
Appropriately named, I feel. Funky off the bat. Kinda dirty and maybe reminscent of some chili peppers(? is that not true? whatever) at some points. I'm glad somebody else found that Tigerlily had a sexual fetish. That's one, two three four part makes a little bridge that uses counting effectively... people were complaining about counting last week, but I think you just used it fine and simple. Reptitive.

Evil E
Inappropriately named! This is nice in a kind of loungey way. The instrument boom toward the end is interesting enough to keep me and I think it exits the song well. I think this had a good dreamy quality.

hillbilly
You're good at pulling this off. I like some of the concrete imagery in this song. I feel like you could be adding some variety on the guitar to make this... Oh, and there's some. I yearn for more, but well done.

Ice Weasels
Starting abruptly, yowsa. It's giving me a sort of Ben Gibbard feel except the synthiness feels a little too 80s (read: repetitive and VERY synthy). And it's getting old. Even when stuff does come in musically, it feels like very simple layering and I wish you had done something more interesting. Writing remotely like Ben Gibbard is good though, in my book.

King Arthur
I think the folks at my local community radio station would eat this up, as they should. artghmlsh, I would kill those drums without thinking twice. You were doing fine without them. Consider laying a second guitar track down instead of drums? Like a really plucky guitar track that acts as percussion? Just an idea to improve on a solid song that does everything I think you expected of it. I kind of want it to end sooner, but I guess I'm not paying enough

Phunt; don't tell.
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SFO
This has loose ends sticking out in interesting directions. It's jangly and I'm glad. I have to sit down and get familiar with the symphony so far so I can recognize what this is using the motif of... but ya, cool. Have you already gone twice? I'm confused about where we are in this thing.

Stuey M
Super dramatic. Chorus reminds me of Every Step You Take or I'll Be Watching You whatever that's called. I like that song cause it's creepy. Umm, every time I'm about to have a unique thought about this song, the chorus repeats and I can't get away from that other song I randomly think this sounds like... okay: perhaps overly dramatic, and it's repetitive. But I think that I see where you were going.

Thornberry
Good job on the plucking and that big change shortly after the 1:00 mark. I like this. That guitar could come up in volume when the vocals leave, but I think it does occupy a nice space where it is.. so maybe just let it stay there.

WreckdoM
You're back!!! Oh and wonderfully so. Hahaha, perfect flavor. 1:16 feels like the instruments got crazier, but I think it's just because the vocals changed so much and I love how that feels like a break of pace. Good work. I think the two shortest songs this week had the most going on.
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Big Mouth
The groove in the start really moved, a little awkward with that first quick heavy part (I might have skipped that first quick transition). The chorus is rockin, I'm totally rocking out to this in my chair. Some really tight transitions and a fat ass bass tone are rocking me out completely right now.. and that reggae part...dirty!

Evil E
This really blew me away. Into the playlist, and such? yeah. Such a Beach Boys vibe, some cliche chord changes, but makin' em work so so well. Fav thing is just the way the chord patterns intertwine in the verse to chorus or lack thereof. Such beautiful workings of melody.

Hillbilly
I like the vintage tone on the vocals to go with this vibe. I want to hear it on an old tyme LP player, you know the kind with a horn. Great country drawl on your voice. Really simple, easy to enjoy.

King Arthur
I like the acoustic and vocal vibe, the harmonies are mixed really well. I think I'd like to hear it with more of an organic vibe, like congas and other percussion, on the rhythm section. It's a good little delicate piece though, relaxing.

Phunt; Don't Tell
The vocal is kinda just dirta and nonchalant. Some funny parts in there in the words. Trying to get the Tigerlily reference...hmm tough to pay attention after about half of it. Right around taco shells.

Songfight Orch.
A really good catch on Tigerlily, would've dug hearing that just continue instead of the next part that comes after. That next part after the chorus title line kinda catches me by surprise, pulls in a weird way.

Stuey M
The guitar tones are nice and clean-like. I like that. The chimes in the beginning could've been avoided, I think. NIce full tone on the acoustics and vocals. I like how it has a smooth latin feel. Elvis would do a good cover of this.

Thornberry
Very famiiar sound, could use a more distinguishing mark. Birthmark right near the balloonknot. That sorta thing. The chord changes in the chorus almost get me there, almost wanna hear a more minor thing heading back to the verse after the first chorus.

The Ice Weasels
Good vocal melody, great vocal changes halfway through the intro. The keyboard tone is cheesing it up a bit too much for me. I really like the vocal melody. Just wishing the keyboard tone was something more vintage like a rhodes or even just a piano.

Wreckdom
It's pumping my soul right up. Comes in on those heavy bars a little early. Want to hear the quieter halves in they're own part, and then the heavy parts separated out into one huge heavy section.

Evil E is probably my personal fav, really liked Big Mouth and Ice Weasels' vocals, and I can identify with what comes out of Wreckdom.
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boltoph wrote:I can identify with what comes out of Wreckdom.
tee hee.
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blah!

they didn't list my song....

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Big Mouth
This voice sounds really similar. Hm. I do like the groove of this though, the 'wah' noise is a little repetitive, but it works in all. And the fake pause and then into the quieter music, then back into the chorus is very good. Nice, but I doubt I'd listen to it again unless I was in a specific mood for this type of music. The last 20 seconds with the screaming just don't work for me.

Evil-E
If this was a music video there would totally be floating. The vocals are a little hard to understand, but the music is very pretty. Ultimately nothing grabs me, although I do like this floatyness. Good song to listen to if you're in a laidback mood. It does go on for a long while though.

Hillbilly
This sounds like something that would be played at my local coffeeshop. I like the guitar a lot, and your voice goes very well with the tone of this. I wish there would be more of it to get more grooving in.

The Ice Weasels
The vocals are very very pretty. The music isn't too bad, it's just real repetitive. Another floaty song. Ultimately nothing grabs me here other than me thinking "Oh, pretty vocals". Some changeup would be good.

King Arthur
This is very pretty. The drums would've been better as, I dunno, something like an egg shaker. I dunno. It just feels very automatic for such a pretty song. I like "Tigerlily blooming in..." Very nice line, maybe a little obvious, but I still like it.

Phunt; Don't Tell
The vocals are almost completely seperate from the music. Too silly to think constructively about it as you can tell it wasn't really serious. 2:37? Actually, looking at the lyrics, I get the idea behind it, which is pretty clever, but it could've been done in a funnier way.

Song Fight Orchestra
This is nice and bouncy. The little guitar part at the end has so much possibility.

Stueym
You need to stop listening to Toby Keith, man. He could totally cover this. Your vocal delivery seems a little hard, get more comfy with the mic. Ultimately a little repetitive, and you need to do something to change it up. A fadeout too? Totally TK. Oh, and your tagging is just wonderful.

Thornberry
I'm really getting into this. Egg is right, the change after 1:00 is really nice. I really like this song. That long "sooo" sounds like it's just begging for a barbershop quartet though. But that might make it sound strange, so eh. This is good though.

WreckdoM
Hey, you guys are back! I always find it hard to review or think of something constructive about WreckdoM. I like the crazy talking background when it gets all, er, crazy.

Lotsa good songs this week.
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WARNING: Aphunk's entry has been posted.
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Bjam knows way too much about Toby Keith.
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jb wrote:Bjam knows way too much about Toby Keith.
Blame my father. I was a young impressionable youth listening to country music. Now look what's happened to me :(
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Bjam wrote:
jb wrote:Bjam knows way too much about Toby Keith.
Blame my father. I was a young impressionable youth listening to country music. Now look what's happened to me :(
I am happy to take the blame :-). Blame the love of musical theater and holywood musicals on her mom though (apart from Rocky Horror which is all mine)...the rest, including the guitariness, is me.
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The BeWells and comfort are in.
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Thanks! I figured I was a bit too late, so this was a nice suprise. Once I have given all the songs a closer listen I will post some reviews.
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1000 props to Evile, Comfort, and Thornberry you guys really stuck out. Im definately diggin the hollow sound of comforts track, you got my vote. I was thinking it would be cool to chop your intro up and loop it in a hip hop song or something. Anyways nice jobs to everyone, peace outty.
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Egg wrote:SFO
I have to sit down and get familiar with the symphony so far so I can recognize what this is using the motif of...
The lyric is a re-working of Roymond's 'I'm Not Impressed'.
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Bwell- thats nice
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<b>Aphunk</b>
21:05? The break before 5 minutes is cool. Somewhere between 7 and 9 minutes I realize that there isn't a song to be found in this. I'm sorry, but by 11 minutes I feel stupid for having honestly decided to try and find it, so I stop hurting myself and press Stop. My first reaction is to tell you..... nah. I won't. Nice work...look forward to hearing more snippets from the Aphunk camp. I'm sure there's a neat song somewhere in your mind. You are obviously creative...it's just a matter of how to best convey it.

<b>Big Mouth</b>
Sweet...like the fat bass sound...great funky thang going on. Nice changes...was not expecting that. Bit loose in spots, but that doesn't take away from the mastery that is the verse section...I love that. The wah guitar totally takes me away. Great melody. Not sure about the screamy vocal tying the chorus to the verse...personal nitpickin' only tho. Holy style jam! Love the bass break at 2:35..that is sweet. A nice change for sure. I think the mix could use a bit more open top end...but everything is present and accounted for. Welcome to SF BigMouth! Keeper. Nice ending.

<b>comfort</b>
Wow..that's a weird percussive sound you got from your guitar...cool. That's a good intro...do you follow it up well? Well...voice is too hollow and back in the mix...no idea what you are singing. this isn't grabbing me like other Comfort submissions have. I think it's not a song problem per se, but more a presentation problem...I just don't dig how you handled the mix. This song suffers from the 2 part syndrome...needs a bridge to flesh it out a bit. Not bad, certainly not your best work.

<b>Evil-E</b>
Wow...more lushnessness. You sound like a study of the mighty Carol Cleveland Sings, but without the speed. I don't quite like the slightly modulated lead vocal...but I do love the all the vocal parts...I can barely make out what you are singing...compression might help give a space in the mix, or even just start with some eq...roll off the bass around 180 hz...listen to your voice jump out of the mix in a nice unobtrusive way. Great backups...wow, great vocals in both fights this week. Sometimes the drums (programmed?) and maybe a crispy guitar strum or something get out of sync with each other...and they are both panned up the middle, so it's distracting...watch that. The fact that your voice kind fades in and out is bugging me...cuz I really like this piece of music. Not enough to not keep this song, but enough to probably keep you out of contention. Good production and mix otherwise. Nice.

<b>Hillbilly</b>
Like the guitar sound and playing here. Nice. I'm into the groove almost immediately. I'd probably put the vocal on one side, guitar on the other...cuz the guitar groove is so strong it can carry it from there. Personal taste only...not a criticism. Your voice makes me feel comfy. Nice job. Not much to critique. Good song. I'm not terribly familiar with the genre, but I think you done it good. :)

<b>King Arthur</b>
The flute is a nice tonal touch. Another slow moving guitar piece...not a diss, just an observation. Nice harmonies. I find your lead vocal could use a bit more top end..in fact the whole mix could. This moves along quite nicely. Nice lyrics too. I rather like that flute...would love to hear a real one played on this song..nice and intimate sounding with all the breathy stuff you get from a live flute. Nice song..doesn't get me excited, but I can dig what you are doing.

<b>Phunt; Don't Tell</b>
Audio journal doesn't do much for me...but it did not offend my ears.

<b>Song Fight Orchestra</b>
Very showy! I like the stylistic foray! Don't know which SFO motif you used..but I liked this song. Great vocal work.

<b>Stueym</b>
I like the opening percussion..nice touch. Sounds like a cowboy song with that opening guitar work. What do you use to record with? I do believe a bit of compression on your voice would smooth out the dynamics you might not want there...sounds at points like you back away from the mic. This is nice moody piece. Nice mix..everything...bass is a bit narrow...could be a bit warmer and fill out the bottom end more..at least on my system it could. The reintroduction of the intro at 2:20 is very nice...Your acoustic guitar sound is lush and smooth...perfect for this song. Nice drum programming. I'd have to say this, while not my favourite kind of music, is a very well written, well executed song. Keeper. As with your daughter, you ought to be harmonizing with yourself..or better yet, you guys should be harmonizing with each other. Ahh...I'd like to teach the world to sing.... :) (mostly cuz I can't...)


<b>The BeWells</b>
Whoa...another nicely played and recorded acoustic guitar...man, nice voice and melody too. Maybe a tad less reverb on everything...makes it sound a bit to ballad-ishy for my tastes. I find your voice is swallowed by the guitar at times, masking it a bit. The bass could come up a bit. Yah..the voice needs a bit more room, but overall this song is very nice and easy to listen to. Keeper.

<b>The Ice Weasels</b>
Wow this is nicely lushed. Love the straight into it opening. Reminds me of Life in a Norther Town..and that's a compliment. Well, I'm only halfway through and I know I'm keeping it. The mix is good, and I think its because it's so wide. Oooh..love the background harmonies toward the end. Something happened with your encoding, I'm not getting a time reading...not that this matters. Nice voice..nice, simple yet effective composition. Great job. Great way for me to open the fight this morning. Contender.

<b>Thornberry</b>
Have to say, as the 5th song I've listened too, does no one possess the rock here? I'm totally kidding...after spending a week in rockland with Gert...I'm relieved to listen to these gentle pieces of music. Ok. I like the way this song moves, but I find the mix to be hollow...pan them drums around man! Same with some of the guitars... explore the stereo field. I'm a big fan of moving in to the real estate provided by your speakers. The lead guitar has nice tone, but it's so low in the mix and again up the middle it seems underwhelming. The performances are loose at times, but I think that would be less of an issue with some more attention paid to balance and panning. Great backup singing and know that you have a great voice with character.


<b>WreckdoM</b>
and on the eigth day...mayhem. I wish the bass and guitar were playing the same song. I did not find this song as amusing as other submissions you've had...perhaps this is one of your poorer entries. I can't keep this.


For me this fight comes down to Ice Weasels and Big Mouth, although there are lots of good submissions. I'm not sure how to differentiate as they are soo different. You know what, on second listens, I'm gonna throw Evil-E in the running as well, even though I said I wouldn't. Tough choice...

Thanks for the great tunes everyone! Try to review both fights if you can.
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Post by j$ »

TheHipCola wrote:<b>Song Fight Orchestra</b> Don't know which SFO motif you used...
The lyric is a re-working of Roymond's 'I'm Not Impressed'.
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Guess I would have seen that had I read the reviews, but I try not to read reviews until I do them so I'm not pre-informed.

Anyways..nice job!
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Aphunk – Very nicely done but ....No, really I mean no…seriously no!! 20MB - 21.05. I really meant it when I said NO!!! ;).

Big Mouth – “Oooh missus nooo really I mean so naughty” This was a fun track enjoyed listening to it and well executed. Nice to see screaming done in a more controlled way this week.

Comfort
– Oooh weird I was thinking Deadwood as this opening started. Bit noisy which I found distracting and yet there is some nice playing going on in there. The vocal droning in background is annoying. Such nice musical execution and yet not a song for me.

Evil-E – Like those huge beanbags you see in whisky lounges that you get into and can’t get out of after 5 cosmo’s. Lush, inviting but kinda weird feeling. I suspect I would skip this if it came up again on a playlist. Nicely executed song.

Hillbilly
– This is good, like the rhythm and the lyrical story. Too short, but like that you are bringing in more variety with the harmony and additional guitar layer.

King Arthur – Beautiful….I agree with the comments about the drums, but what the heck this is great. Very nice to have on the iPod so I will add it today.

Phunt – LOL funny stuff, I read the lyrics before you posted so had a clue.. I sought the same inspiration by googling and got lj’s too never read this one. Not really my idea of a song, but well done.

Song Fight Orchestra – Quirky :-)

Stueym – Oh it’s me again…After struggling for four days for an idea and rejecting the Peter Pan and flower references, I read on the BBC site about the Ladyboys of Bangkok touring the UK and the reaction of some guys...et voila an idea for a quirky love song. However I struggled to get lyrics to flow, so sorry for the repetitiveness. Would love to develop this out. Heh Toby Keith covering a love song about being in love with a transsexual…not sure the big Okies core demographic could cope with that. I was thinking more love song cut from a scene in Chess…One night in Bangkok anyone?

The BeWells – Dreamy guitar playing and overall tone. Lost some phrases of the vocal as I was trying to listen hard to the lyrics. Maybe level/maybe pan position would have helped don’t know. Peter Pan vibe was nice and one I thought of before the theme I eventually went with. Very nice job.

The Ice Weasels – Very lush start. Nice vocals…hmm “bitter like chocolate” what a great phrase! See it as the denouement of a movie….final scene drop out ending.

Thornberry – Nice one, like the vibe in this. Very Sunday morning listening.

WreckdoM – LOL….yeah weird trying to listen to those dueling vocals at 1:15 is just silly. Yeah well

BeWells its is for me (worthy of being late if it took that to produce this). With honorable mentions to King Arthur and Hillbilly (gosh I am showing my Sunday morning biases here ;)). :D
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King Arthur- I loved the flute, great lyrics and harmonizing you gote my vote.

Bewells- beautiful, wish i could get that guitar sound.

Thornberry- I'm a fan. your voice reminds me of Simply Red.

Phunt- You'r crazy.

Stuem- Good job, love the opening with the shaker or what ever it was.

Ice Weasles- nice voice.

Aphunk- wow 21 minutes- sorry but not my thing this morning, big nite last night.

Wreckdom- he's back. Roll them over and stomp their teeth in. Where do you come up with that :)

SFO- good job johnny, good vocals.

Evil- nice, enjoyable voice.

Comfort- like the grove wish i could hear the vocals.

Big Mouth- I like this a lot, the funky guitar , the changes, job well done.
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<b>Stueym</b>
I like the opening percussion..nice touch. Sounds like a cowboy song with that opening guitar work. What do you use to record with? I do believe a bit of compression on your voice would smooth out the dynamics you might not want there...sounds at points like you back away from the mic. This is nice moody piece. Nice mix..everything...bass is a bit narrow...could be a bit warmer and fill out the bottom end more..at least on my system it could. The reintroduction of the intro at 2:20 is very nice...Your acoustic guitar sound is lush and smooth...perfect for this song. Nice drum programming. I'd have to say this, while not my favourite kind of music, is a very well written, well executed song. Keeper. As with your daughter, you ought to be harmonizing with yourself..or better yet, you guys should be harmonizing with each other. Ahh...I'd like to teach the world to sing.... :) (mostly cuz I can't...)
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BJAM and I are working together this week so let's see what we get out of that. Stay tuned Tuesday morning.
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