How's my mastering chain?
Posted: Sat May 05, 2007 11:28 am
Stereo seperator (do I even need this? I swear I can't hear one of this on most pro recordings)
EQ
Compressor/Limiter
EQ
Compressor/Limiter
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I think that is a solid business plan.Billy's Little Trip wrote:I just started setting my lows, like 100hz and under, to mono and widening my stereo highs a bit more. What do think about this practice?
These are all on the master, yes? Do you also EQ, Compress, Limit, etc. each individual instrument/track? Or only the master?Puce wrote:Seems fine. I like:
1. EQ (Usually a steep highpass @ 20 hz, a subtle lowpass at 18khz, and a bass boost around 60-120hz)
2. Tape Saturation Plugin (I use Stienberg's Magneto--old, but good--and aim for 3db reduction on only the loudest drum hits) to catch any really crazy transients
3. Compressor (4:1 ratio, soft knee, 10ms attack, longest release possible, and never more than 1-2 db attenuation)
4. Brick-wall Limiter (fastest release possible, 3-4 db peak attenuation max)
5. Clipper (1-3 db of gain. Most VST clipping plugins will let you choose the "hardness" of the clipping; I like to use the hardest setting that I can get away with)
6. Master Fader set to -0.3 db, to keep the peaks from hitting fullscale and making your CD player flip-out.
7. 16-bit dither
You'll notice that instead of using one compressor or one limiter to do 6-9 db of gain reduction, I split it up between multiple dynamics processors. I find doing it this way... um... awesomer.
I will often compress and EQ individual tracks, unless they don't need it. A couple weeks ago Jolly Roger posted the source files to a song he had recorded, and Deshead, BLT, and I mixed it and posted what we did to each mix. I posted a long essay about what I had done, which I think is pretty representative of how I might normally treat individual tracks in a mix. I think JR has taken down his original mix of the song, but the other ones are still up.Kill Me Sarah wrote:Do you also EQ, Compress, Limit, etc. each individual instrument/track? Or only the master?
Awesome, I'll refer to this as much as possible when I mix our next Nur Ein song... you better not be feeding me misinformation!Puce wrote:I will often compress and EQ individual tracks, unless they don't need it. A couple weeks ago Jolly Roger posted the source files to a song he had recorded, and Deshead, BLT, and I mixed it and posted what we did to each mix. I posted a long essay about what I had done, which I think is pretty representative of how I might normally treat individual tracks in a mix. I think JR has taken down his original mix of the song, but the other ones are still up.Kill Me Sarah wrote:Do you also EQ, Compress, Limit, etc. each individual instrument/track? Or only the master?
Anyway, your gateway to all this can be found right here.
I'd like to try this mono lows thingy but i'm not really sure how to do it. Does it just have to do with panning? Any tips would be appreciated. Oh yeah, I'm using Cubase LE. Thanks!Billy's Little Trip wrote: Let me ask you this. I just started setting my lows, like 100hz and under, to mono and widening my stereo highs a bit more.
The way you'd do it at the mastering stage involves Mid-Side processing, which is a big ol' can o' worms. It's probably easier to get the same result in the mix by panning the kick, snare and the bass to the center (which I'm assuming you do already) and then highpassing every other track (excluding the toms) at 150hz or higher.Renwick wrote:I'd like to try this mono lows thingy but i'm not really sure how to do it. Does it just have to do with panning?Billy's Little Trip wrote:I just started setting my lows, like 100hz and under, to mono and widening my stereo highs a bit more.
This post alone makes me want to get back into recording asap. I always lose my bass and kick.ken wrote:Apply an EQ that eliminates low frequencies on the majority of your tracks, leaving only the kick drum in the low end. For example: Guitars - everything below 100 gone. Vocals - everything below 250 gone. Bass - everything below 60 gone. See how much you can get away with cutting out before your track doesn't sound good anymore. Suddenly, you can hear the kick drum and bass.
I don't think I took those down ... I should check.Puce wrote:I think JR has taken down his original mix of the song, but the other ones are still up.
I never really thought about this, but it makes perfect sense. I often find myself cutting lows out of my guitars because it kills the bass. So I guess I was on the right track, I just need to be more aggressive about it.ken wrote:I showed Martin how to use highpass filters the other day and it excited him to no end. Here's what you do:
Apply an EQ that eliminates low frequencies on the majority of your tracks, leaving only the kick drum in the low end. For example: Guitars - everything below 100 gone. Vocals - everything below 250 gone. Bass - everything below 60 gone. See how much you can get away with cutting out before your track doesn't sound good anymore. Suddenly, you can hear the kick drum and bass.
Ken
Forgive me if this seems a little basic. KMS' picture is a graphic EQ. These are popular in consumer grade equipment, partly because they are relatively simple to use, but they are not particularly useful in a recording studio environment. (*)Kill Me Sarah wrote:
You could not possibly get too basic for me. This is very helpful. So what Ken would be referring to is something like this?bzl wrote:Forgive me if this seems a little basic.
Awesome, thank you. Now I'll work my way through and see if I can make sense of the rest of it.bzl wrote:Exactly.
What I called "Q" is "Bandwidth" in your picture. Same thing.