Feb 15, 2008

[Lord of Oats]

@ fluffy:

Iodized salt probably would do the trick, but I don't think it's an ideal solution. I'd recommend getting away from the white salt altogether and trying some exotic unrefined sea salts. Your body will appreciate the minor and trace minerals, and your inner culinary snob will have fun trying to see if there's any discernible difference in flavor. This does not solve your iodine issue, and neither will most multivitamins,* but I may have something for you that does.

Kelp supplements. Kelp is a whole food that's been shown to have benefits when added to the diet, so you're less likely to get dangerous levels of anything from it than with some other sources. You can just eat it if you're into that sort of thing, but rather painlessly, one tiny tablet will fulfill your daily requirement for iodine. I picked up a bottle of 200 tablets (I take one or two per day) for about three or four dollars at the local health food store, and it looks like I overpaid.

In any case, asking the doctor to determine what's wrong with you is probably a good idea. But I can't say that following his advice for fixing it is always the best solution. For the immediate future, I'd try kelping it up for a couple weeks (a slightly elevated dose of sea vegetables is not going to hurt you, though I recommend the small tabs and one with each meal instead of one big tab or something) and seeing if you feel any better.

*Iodine is a mineral, not a vitamin. Low-end multivitamins only have vitamins. So-called complete multivitamins usually have some minerals in addition to vitamins, but none of the ones I looked at had iodine. In any case, recent studies have shown no significant signs of better health in individuals taking multivitamins over those that don't. Good health begins with one's diet.

[fluffy]

I made sure the multivitamin I bought contains iodine. I don't really use that much salt in my cooking to begin with.

[Lord of Oats]

well fine then

[Caravan Ray]

I'd recommend getting away from the white salt altogether and trying some exotic unrefined sea salts. Your body will appreciate the minor and trace minerals.

That is absolute crap. Salt is salt. "unrefined sea salts" is just salt with shit in it. There is every chance that your body wont appreciate the minor and trace minerals - or more likely you will piss them straight out and never even notice them. Fucking hippy.

[Märk]

I'd recommend getting away from the white salt altogether and trying some exotic unrefined sea salts. Your body will appreciate the minor and trace minerals.

That is absolute crap. Salt is salt. "unrefined sea salts" is just salt with shit in it. There is every chance that your body wont appreciate the minor and trace minerals - or more likely you will piss them straight out and never even notice them. Fucking hippy.

Jesus Goatf-ahhh, fuck it.

[Lord of Oats]

STFU, you roo rancher! Shit is good for you! My celtic sea salt has magnesium in it! And all kinds of other stuff. Trace minerals are good. Your body will use what it needs, and piss out the rest. It's cool like that. But you have to put it in there in the first place. Refined salt is a great source of sodium, but of nothing else. There's a good share of perfectly nutritious stuff in my salt that yours doesn't have, in addition to all the sodium I could ever want.

Natural foods are generally better, because humans and their ancestors have spent millions of years eating them, and have spent all that time evolving into a creature suited to eating them. There is no population of humans on Earth that has been given sufficient time to adapt to manufactured and processed foods.

[Märk]

You just admitted in another thread that you're fat, now you're giving health food advice..

DOES.NOT.COMPUTE.

[Lord of Oats]

I'm in the process of recovering. Being significantly overweight tends to make one wonder if there's anything he can do about it, then do some research and act on it. I'm a success story in progress, man.

[Spud]

And you, Märk, admit at the left side of every post that you're full of... well, you know.

[fluffy]

Cyanide is natural, and people today live way the hell longer than they ever did in 20,000 BC.

I'm not saying that natural is necessarily bad or artificial is necessarily better BUT I hate any argument that goes basically "things were so much better back in the days before medicine and science."

It doesn't matter where the trace minerals come from, be it from unrefined sea salts (which don't really have enough nutrients to even register in the slightest unless you eat enough to be fatal, or at least very bad for you) or from multivitamins (which are formulated based on science and dietary guidelines).

I'm also not expecting the vitamins to be a cure-all or anything. It's more an experiment. I do need to find a doctor eventually (I'm coming up on a year since my last physical - in fact thanks to my blogorrhea I know that my last checkup was on <a href="http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/e/2007/03/13-b ... php">March 13</a>) but in the meantime I also know I'm probably malnourished due to an extremely variable diet, and it's not like more vitamins hurt (I mean, in the dose you get from a single daily multivitamin, obviously it's stupid to take more than one a day since iron and copper very quickly go from beneficial to toxic).

[Lord of Oats]

Cyanide is natural, and people today live way the hell longer than they ever did in 20,000 BC.

I'm not saying that natural is necessarily bad or artificial is necessarily better BUT I hate any argument that goes basically "things were so much better back in the days before medicine and science."

Well, look, I don't believe so either. I thoroughly believe in using modern medicine in a lot of instances. Just not in the cases where your medical problems stem from your bad diet, unless we're talking about an emergency situation. So do whatever you have to do, then fix the diet. Modern medicine is indeed quite nice for a lot of things. I'm very happy to have been subjected to it, so that I didn't die when I broke my arm. I'm really not a fringe whacko or anything. I'm for moderation. On one side you have a corrupt industry, and on the other, a bunch of quacks and lunatics. The answer has to be somewhere in the middle.

It doesn't matter where the trace minerals come from, be it from unrefined sea salts (which don't really have enough nutrients to even register in the slightest unless you eat enough to be fatal, or at least very bad for you) or from multivitamins (which are formulated based on science and dietary guidelines).

Well, see, that's why they're called trace minerals. You don't need very much of them.

I'm also not expecting the vitamins to be a cure-all or anything. It's more an experiment. I do need to find a doctor eventually (I'm coming up on a year since my last physical - in fact thanks to my blogorrhea I know that my last checkup was on <a href="http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/e/2007/03/13-b ... php">March 13</a>) but in the meantime I also know I'm probably malnourished due to an extremely variable diet, and it's not like more vitamins hurt (I mean, in the dose you get from a single daily multivitamin, obviously it's stupid to take more than one a day since iron and copper very quickly go from beneficial to toxic).

The only point I meant to make about multivitamins that I didn't is that vitamin A acetate is, as far as I can tell, a substance you should avoid. Please tell me the vitamin A in yours comes from carotene.

[Billy's Little Trip]

I'd recommend getting away from the white salt altogether and trying some exotic unrefined sea salts. Your body will appreciate the minor and trace minerals.

That is absolute crap. Salt is salt. "unrefined sea salts" is just salt with shit in it. There is every chance that your body wont appreciate the minor and trace minerals - or more likely you will piss them straight out and never even notice them. Fucking hippy.

deja vu

[fluffy]

So back to the previous thing b efore people started getting up in my shit about vitamins

http://beesbuzz.biz/temp/foo.mp3

Listen to my embarrassingly badly-out-of-practice (and slightly drunk) piano playing!

[Paco Del Stinko]

And you, Märk, admit at the left side of every post that you're full of... well, you know.

Looks more like half full. Or wait - is he Half Empty/Half Full? Man, I should be a detective.

[PlainSongs]

DRC: Any new hard rock/metal bands I should try out. Today would be a perfect day for it.

A day late, off the top of my head:

Glenn Hughes: Music For The Divine
Balkandji (folkmetal from Bulgaria)
2227 (crazy punkfolkrock from Slovenia)

Fluffy - been enjoying your piano playing while finding the above links. I like especially where it gets a bit dissonant around 8:40.

[Caravan Ray]

I'm not saying that natural is necessarily bad or artificial is necessarily better BUT I hate any argument that goes basically "things were so much better back in the days before medicine and science."

Perfectly correct. I also have no particularly strong views re artificial re natural - but I do think that all purveyors of so-called 'health foods' should be lined up against a wall and shot. The same goes for anyone that produces any product with "eco" as part of its name.

There's a good share of perfectly nutritious stuff in my salt that yours doesn't have, in addition to all the sodium I could ever want.

Oatsey, you are a gullible fool. It is almost certain you are already getting more than enough sodium in the other food you eat. If you really do have some deficiency of some trace element - then get it diagnosed properly and address it appropriately. Stop giving your money to con-men.

[Lord of Oats]

ur ghey

[fluffy]

SO SOME USEFUL POSTING

Ken's band Parker Street Cinema is going to be on the radio live in a bit (in about half an hour), on 90.7 KALX Berkeley. For those not in the area they have an Internet stream at http://kalx.berkeley.edu/listen.htm

I'm trying to listen on the Internet but it's not working so well for me, so I guess I'll have to fiddle with my radio antenna and get it the old-fashioned way.

[Caravan Ray]

ur ghey

No, but I am fat.

And I think it should be spelt "Uruguay"

[fluffy]

Okay the 56 and 128kbps streams don't work for me but the 24kbps one does, and sounds like glorious AM radio.

[fluffy]

Argh, even the 24kbps stream is dropping out (which is just as well as it was giving me a terrible headache). Fuck it. (Sorry Ken!)