Jealousies expressed of the prodigal son (Frank reviews)

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Re: Jealousies expressed of the prodigal son (Frank reviews)

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MENBAH! wrote: Is that a melodica?
Yes indeedy
MENBAH! wrote: I want one!
Ebay - if you don't mind something that's been in a stranger's mouth.
Mine is the old style (red/alto/fingering on both sides) - also got the green (sopranno) one
TVsKyle wrote: Melodica sounds awesome.
Cheers - see above
jb wrote:Panna Cotta Army is a fantastic songfight band name.
thanks - I came up with it myself and didn't nick it from anywhere, honest
Thornberry wrote: Sounded like a keyboard harmonica. Was it?
see above
Thornberry wrote: some vocal harmonies woulda been nice
if you put your ear right up the speaker and half close your eyes you might just about hear some in the midddle 8
Thornberry wrote: I didn't hear any bass.
neither did I
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WAIL. IAAC.

EAAM – this is slightly bonkers, which is good. Overuse of battle sounds and the fact that it’s longer than it is wide aside, I enjoyed listening. But count me in the team that will only recall the machine guns when I think of this song in a day’s time. That’s too many guns!

ERIN&TASH – very cute concept well realised. Sucking dick shouldn’t make you angry – doesn’t upset me in the slightest ;) The tune doesn’t stick in my mind much but it’s not really important when the concept is this strong – and you don’t want that getting distracted from. Bonus points for not whistling. If you promise to stop using PINK text when posting, then I’ll vote for this.

JAN KRUEGER – Lovely harmonies (though occasionally sharp which I guess) and suitably ridiculous subject matter for the arrangement! The lead vocal is the weakest part sadly (and strangely given the quality of stuff around it.) I like it though and give it a VOTE.

J$ FEAT ANDY BALHAM – that’ll be me. I like this one, especially as I had a stinking cold when I recorded it; though the lyric isn’t my favourite. The gag (“what’s you say, you’ve only been gone eight hours?’) kind of disappears, I realise. Still I did pop in a Ebdim chord to show off. Andy added bass and guitars at the last minute and did a sterling job.

KASPER – Hmmm this is well done but not my thing at all. There are just (perfectly acceptable) things about it that fill me with musikfear. F’rinstance, the phrasing / performance choice of the vocal – it’s not that it’s particularly out of tune, but it’s a bit too emotive / overly sincere for my personal tastes. Also all I hear is Bon Jovi (which it isn’t, but I guess I’m talking that big American rock stadium sound)

MENBAH! – Sacrificing kittens! Heh. I’d like to hear this in a big band arrangement – the mouth trumpet solo suggests you might have been thinking the same! I like the obvious rhyming – adds to the Fun Fun Fun, especially as it’s basically a list song! Cute pay-off as well! We have basically written the same song, it seems. Not sure it’s my favourite MENBAH ever but I will consider its vote-worthy-ness.

MONTANA FUDGE – This is a strange fight. Guess that’s the title for ya. ‘Since Bobby Brown went dow-ow-ow-on’ is a favourite moment for me. The key-change kinda caught you out there, didn’t it? There is something odd about the sound of the vocal recording. It’s really boomy and bassy. The lyric totally runs out of steam at 1.40 and should have stopped there.

NEW ERA – Like the vocal tone – so do you, it would seem, when everything is mixed so low in comparision. I wish there was some bass here. You can’t really have a lovely tinny punk-pop trio sound with just drum guitar and drum machine. The tune (as I hear it) is a good one, and the pace /vocal phrasing is great but it’s just lacking a little OOMPF (see what I did there?) There is a surfeit of bass players kicking round these parts (including myself). If you grab one I am sure I can find you a vote.

PACO – Ahhhh, good old dependable, good ol’ good Paco! More awesome time / tempo / mood shifting like a multiple personality disorder kitten in a washing machine. This is very cute – I love the harmonies in the chorus and the speedy like break downs that follow them. The keyboard riff is the winner for me. Have (yet) another VOTE (from me)

PANNA COTTA ARMY – Not enjoying this week’s entry quite as much as last. This veers uncomfortably close to Eric Clapton’s ‘Tonight’ or some-such slow sensitive bluesy thang which is so markedly not my bag, it has become a black hole in my listening space. That said very well done and the over-egged-in-a-good-way production as last week impresses very much. And your drums are great.

RATTPOIZON – ummm, well, this is like a comedy dub version of a 90s metal song. I like it – the ‘bell/till’ percussion is too high in the mix by about a skyscraper. In fact the percussion is too high in the mix all over – especially as the bass is so low-end-orientated. I like the vo-coder vocal part and the pitch-shifted verse vocals are cool. This is pleasantly mad and far too crazy to be just novelty. It’s just not catchy enough, bizarrely, for four minutes, when you’re sober. Stoned or drunk I would probably just be too scared to enjoy it. And I love dub!

SHATTERFRONT – great start. Vocal is cool. Trumpets(?) in the chorus are very welcome, helps it not be just another Lincoln Park style thing. I like the weird vocal melody in the verses that works. I wouldn’t normally listen to this sort of thing but this is good, so have a VOTE.

THORNBERRY – I think the piano is a little loud. A little proggy for my tastes. I guess the vocal is down in the mix for a reason. Ah no, I like stop / start but here it holds on too long, adds unnecessary pomposity to the song for me. I guess it’s very well done but I’m not engaging. That’s a personal thing of course. I’ve got nothing helpful to offer, so I won’t go on. Do think that piano’s too loud in the mix, though.

TODD MCHATTON – “find your underpants”? Really? Not wild about the lyric. There are some lovely parts here (missus) but I just find myself thinking ‘what now?’ whenever I concentrate on the lyric. I don’t like the bluesy verse very much. The lyric is just ‘kooky’ not really actually internally very funny, in my opinion. Maybe I’m just missing something. I hate ‘kooky’.

TORRENTZ – Some good rhymes here (Darth Vader / Neighbours f’rinstance.) The chorus is good, but I am weirdly getting an unwelcome Goldie Lookin Chain vibe here overall. Good mix but the crunch of the low-bit feel is a bit distracting. I can’t imagine dancing to this, and I’ll dance to most anything. Maybe jacking up the bass end would make it funkier?

TV’s KYLE – Love that synth, especially during the stereo solo. Good bouncy bass. Vocals fun and nerdy as usual. As with other songs this fight the wacky is a lttile strained at times, but it’s cute from start to finish.

WALT CRONIN – For a g’n’g song recorded too quietly and mysteriously mixed entirely into one speaker, it’s surprisingly enaging. Not much else to say.

THE WEAKEST SUIT – Again, your voice is well suited to G’n’G. There’s a very good melody here as well. It’s a pleasant listen.

Votes for JAN K, PACO & SHATTERFRONT, then.
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Re: Jealousies expressed of the prodigal son (Frank reviews)

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When I saw this fight title, I worried right away that people would either do silly stuff (which I see has extended to the reviews :-) ), or use the fact that it's a hard phrase to connect with (partly because of the name - "Frank" has a more specific set of connotations than, say, "John" or "Susan") as an opportunity to throw out ideas that wouldn't've worked with a stronger song concept. I guess the problem must be at least partly on my end, because while the other reviewers enjoyed this week quite a bit, I couldn't even listen all the way half of the songs without skipping around and taking them in pieces, so add that caveat to my comments.

I never want to hear a harmonium-type synth sound again. Or another war-is-hell song.


Walt Cronin: Mastered really quiet and all in the left channel. Lyrics could've used a few more drafts and a vocabulary boost (too much "sad" and other "-ad" words).

EAandM: Good voice but pitchy. Very muffled recording/mixing except for the goddamn sound effects. Can't hear the song well enough behind the Satan-spawned machine guns to say much about it. Not a fun or pleasant cut.

Erin K: My initial reaction to this song was extremely hostile, partly because of the big explanatory posting (which I wouldn't have done), but I've softened toward it a bit, though I still think the concept is a huge overreach. However, I still just don't get the appeal of this stylistic approach - I understand minimalism, I understand cute, I understand the "plushie-concealing-a-switchblade" school of stylistic tension, but… I dunno. I will give props for an actual lyric this time and a fuller, more finished production, though that cymbal crash is just trolling the listener. :-P

J$ - The spartan, gradually building production works quite well. Like the vocal harmonies. Your rhyming dictionary weeps for mercy. :-) One of the few stories this week that actually holds my interest. Falls apart a bit, but just a bit, in the bridge. Overall, I LOLed. VOTE.

Kasper: Vocal starts off okay then starts losing the key. Production is good conceptually but the sound lacks crispness. The breakdown was a nice thought, but had lots of little problems - the transition sounded accidental, and the electronic percussion sounded really canned next to the real percussion. The song itself isn't remarkable in either direction.

Jan Krueger: Nice singing, great harmonies except for a few wrong notes here and there. Singing was all on pitch and quite pleasant. I'm mentally putting a hand over the lyrical content as it's pretty much impossible for people to discuss corporate behavior dispassionately from either side these days.

Todd McHatton: Whoa, is this the same guy who did the wide-screen Brian Wilson fantasia for "Who Needs Sleep"? Another song that obsesses over a few phrases, another song about underpants. :-/ Nice guitars, percussion doesn't work quite as well. Nice atmosphere, it deserves more song. :-/

Menbah: cheesy production, thoroughly obnoxious lyrics - it's like Weird Al's reprobate meth-head cousin. I hate the stereotype that novelty songs excuse, or require, flat, canned-sounding production. There are moments that work, but the whole really doesn't for me.

Montana Fudge: Same guy as Moanin' Mississippi Fudge? Guitar is too far from the mic, vocals are outside of the singer's range. Lyrics go on far too long for what they're doing. The whoop and the "why does it hurt when I pee now", taken together, ruined my day.

NEW ERA: Only J-rock bands get to put their names in all caps, sorry. :-P Primitive, bare production - reverb and EQ are your friends. Singing is pitchy. A hardcore/thrash production would've sold this particular song much better.

Paco: could read the phone book and his vocals would still be engaging. Don't like the harmonium sound. Don't care for the deep flanging on the arpeggio guitar parts, but I like the harmonized analog synth on the breakdown. Song is pretty conventional musically (which is a surprise coming from this guy). Still, I would be happy to hear this pop up on the radio or on my iPod. VOTE.

Panna Cotta Army: The best of the depressing songs this fight. Very well-thought-out instrumentation - the lack of a bass instrument makes a conventional song sound less so, and the drums hold the bottom end together nicely. Pleasant and relaxing, doesn't sledgehammer the emotions like some songs this week do. Vocals could've been a bit further up in the mix, since you were singing quietly and gently. VOTE.

Ratt Poizon: I liked the sonic textures until the BELCH. As a general rule, children can get away with songs that feature food or animals; adults, not so much unless the song is GREAT. Not subtle enough to work as a texture exploration and not enough song there to work as a song. You could've gone the Zappa route and saved it with some instrumental flash, that's another thought. The band name is impossible to take seriously.

Shatterfront: Drums drown out the guitars a bit. The Maynard James Keenan impression (?) doesn't quite make it. The phrase "the man" has been beaten to death - nowadays it makes me think of undergraduate "anarchists" trendily going to protests between classes. Can't hear the lead vocals very well during the loud parts - what's with the Muppet backing vocals? I skipped ahead to the ending because someone else mentioned it; I like, but it doesn't fit with the rest of the song.

Thornberry: Sounds a lot like Mansun. Credit for the ambition but the execution, esp the vocals, not QUITE there. Nice playing and recording for the most part. Another slight ding for the alternately shapeless and angsty lyrics on general principle. It's almost like Elton John doing emo.

Torrentz - Are you a musical act or a warez site? The straining tone of the first lead voice wears out its welcome REALLY fast. Would British gangsta rap be chav rap? Vocal in the second verse isn't actively repellent but still not great. The lyrics don't work for me - I can see where you're TRYING for gritty, but metaphors like "fat man's underwear" sabotage it. The production succeeds at what it's trying to do. As far as I can tell.

TV's Kyle: Slightly better production and writing than Menbah along the exact same lines. The nonsensical juxtapositions don't hold together - even nonsense songs need some sort of internal logic. Solo is about 3/8 of a beat off-tempo.

Weakest Suit: This song is very "open mike night" to me, especially the "c'mon!" A few bum notes in the vocals. This song would have been stronger with a full band (and no "c'mon" ^^;). …Oh, so "Frank" is a girl? Not sure that adds much value, but points for trying to open up the song concept a bit.
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j$ wrote:This veers uncomfortably close to Eric Clapton’s ‘Tonight’
Boy you really know how to hurt someone
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You're lucky - originally, I had 'Lady In Red' by Chris De Burgh :)

Seriously, though, you're fantastic. Just this song didn't "flick me off to Trisha" in the way last week's did. (IMO I think you should have won hands down.) So I am expressing personal dissapointment (while not being able to spell it), with the emphasis on personal.

Also, as I start all my reviews, "WAIL. IAAC" - Written As I Listen. I Am A C...
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AGray wrote: It's almost like Elton John doing emo.
A) I would kill to hear that!

B) Emo is one of the last things I thought this song would incur. Weird.
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Thanks everyone for the reviews...this is our first attempt at one. Here goes nothing:

EAandM: Not sure about the machine gun, just because it seems to occur a little randomly and I found myself distracted from all the other elements of the song because I was bracing myself for the next rattle (might not have had an issue if its volume had been lower). The echo-y, lower pitched gunshots/cannonfire that come in later would have been a better replacement to have throughout the song, especially since the lyrics and guitar are poignant and shouldn't be taken away from too much.

Jan Krueger: I kind of like how vocally-driven the track is, and for that reason didn't much like the parts where the bass was in the same melody as the vocals since if anything it's lacking an instrumental complement to the choir sound - either that, or it might have been interesting to keep it completely comprised of vocals like a layered barbershop quartet?

Johnny Cashpoint: Like the picking at the beginning, nice chord formations and cute sound. Supplementing it with the backing, bass and electric guitar seems to correspond nicely with the change in lyrics, and I like the absence of percussion.

Kasper: Nice, full chords that I think are underlined nicely by a relatively unassuming bassline. The intro is great, love the percussion on the acoustic and the introduction of the other instruments - it's pretty atmospheric.

MENBAH: I like the jazziness of it, although it would have sounded much better with some sort of retro effect on it. The instrumentals and the vocal melody and lyrics are really well done and I don't think the production do them much justice at all (but obviously it's understandable if you didn't have the resources or time to have a more professional-sounding track). I feel like it would have worked great with a female singer and a muffled, vintage effect since it's like something you might have heard on war-time radio (minus the Dubya anachronism), but then again the current lead vocals are somewhat endearing and have the cute campiness of Panic At The Disco's Brendon Urie (in a good way). :D

Montana Fudge: Haha...okay. This cracked me up a few times. I'm the sure occcasional off-key-ness was intentional, or that you were at least aware of it. The song and lyrics are definitely entertaining as it progresses. 'Why does it hurt when I pee now?' Really? I had to doublecheck I heard that correctly. :lol:

New Era: Really catchy, and I like the riff rhythm being a little jerky like that. Sort of lost some of the lyrics in the chorus (bridge? In any case, where it first hits a minor chord) but like the guitar solo outro a lot, too bad it had to end there!

Paco del Stinko: The vocals work well with the backing, and the instrumental arrangement is interesting - it kept me listening since the track had an air of unpredictability about it, which is good. It might be just me but it seemed like the rhythm was a tiny bit off at points during the chorus. Good melody.

Panna Cotta Army: I like it A LOT. Great production and musical arrangement, with nice use of a wide variety of instruments. Love the rhythm, too, and the vocal timbre. Can't think of any room for improvement. :)

Ratt Poizon: I'm not sure I like the bass effect, or the raspy low vocals (the lyrics were totally lost on me). The instrumental arrangement is a little dischordant, which I'm sure was intentional but isn't much to my taste, mostly because it detracts so much from the lead vocals and lyrics.

Shatterfront: The arrangement is great but the production doesn't do it much justice (especially the drums, which sound canned during the verses). I wasn't sure about all the vocal layering at some parts in the song - it was a little overpowering, and unnecessary since the track has that crazy guitar. Some of the harmonies are nice though, and the upper voice gives it a System of a Down-esque feel. You are clearly skilled axe players.

Thornberry: Interesting dramatic pauses during the intro. The piano sound is a little sharp-sounding in isolation but if you're using a VST I know how hard it is to get an authentic piano sound through a computer. It's an interesting accompaniment to the distorted guitar later on but I think it complements it well. I like the track best in the toned down parts (e.g. the solo piano outro). Overall, interesting chord progression and some really nice melodies - reminds me of a Placebo-Something Corporate-something-else hybrid, if that makes any sense.

Todd McHatton: I was hooked at the beginning, I like the sultry chords and how the guitar plays in the main melody. The direction the song takes later on is interesting, definitely shakes things up a bit - I kind of wish it had kept in the same vein throughout because I like the first verses so much, but then again it might have gotten boring. I wish I could have understood the lyrics a little more clearly, all that talk of underpants sounds intriguing.

Torrentz: The first few bars were so jarring (I had just finished listening to Kasper's song) that I thought I'd be turned off for the rest of the track, but I couldn't have been more wrong...the variety of vocals/vocalists really kept me into it, as did the rhymes. The relatively high pitch of the synth line is a nice contrast to the pronounced bass during the chorus (which I love. The chorus is catchy!)

TVs Kyle: I feel like the intro should have been a little more gradual. The lyrics are definitely entertaining; extra points for one of my favourite words of all time (chupacabra). I'm in two minds about the synth solo, which sounds a little too MIDI (but kind of makes me nostalgic for my Amiga) and is also slightly out of time, and so short that it seems the track would have been better off without it.

Walt Cronin: Shame it's so quiet. The song is a little repetitive, seeing as the verse and the chorus are sung pretty much in the same melody. That said, I like the 'doo doo' intro (reminds me of Roger Miller's 'Whistle Stop') and general chord progression throughout.

Weakest Suit: Sweet melody, and engaging for being just one voice with a guitar. There's definitely a lot of feeling in the playing and singing. Any gripes I have are a matter of personal taste (would have preferred it if the line 'Welcome home Frank, how was your day' wasn't kept on just one chord).

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Well, I've certainly learned something. This is all taken very seriously which I see is very good. I thought I'd just throw together something in about 15 minutes. I guess I deserve to get my ass kicked. I don't have much of a home recording set up and just do this for my own enjoyment. It's a cruel world out there.. I already submitted the next one..God help me! :(
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Well - it's only been like 3-1/2 years since I posted . . . glad to see this is still here and active (esp. since Somesongs appears dead).

There's some great stuff on here. I don't have time to review them all since I am listening while working on other stuff, but I will say that Erin & Tash's song has been my favorite, and Thornberry's song is pretty impressive too.
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People: Thanks for all of the reviews, but I must sadly say that I just can not make the time to write some out. Sorry. As far as this fight goes, if it were still one vote only, I would have had to flip a coin between J$/Balham and TV's Kyle. Plenty of good tunes, but those were my two faves. Again, poly-logies for not getting reviews out, but I believe I still carry some credit! :)
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A quick grading of this weeks efforts:

HIGH DISTINCTION:
RATTPOIZON - easily my favourite of the set

DISTINCTION
PACO - an excellent addition to your anthology

CREDIT
Other songs that stood out from the pack:

ERIN&TASH - nice idea. Would work good live as a comedy skit with 2 singers
MENBAH! - some funny lyrics
TORRENTZ - I enjoyed this

PASS
All of these were quite acceptable in their own way, but none really grabbing me:

JAN KRUEGER
J$ FEAT ANDY BALHAM
KASPER
NEW ERA
PANNA COTTA ARMY
SHATTERFRONT
THORNBERRY
TODD MCHATTON
TV’s KYLE
THE WEAKEST SUIT


FAIL
Did nothing for me at all:

EAAM
MONTANA FUDGE
WALT CRONIN



Votes go to songs earning grades of DISTINCTION and HIGH DISTINCTION
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alright. something very strange happened with this. sorry I didn't have a chance to do reviews, I actually worked this week! but, 2nd place? 22 votes? something is fishy. I don't think i even voted, and that's about as many as I usually get. This was one of the worst songs I've ever made and I came in 2nd? Either I have that many "friends," or I should drink more and think less (which will be difficult).
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So what's to explain? Caravan Ray voted 22 times.
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supremeedible wrote:Don't be afraid to be frank!
okay. here i am.
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