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I am not the late judge!

21 Boop Boop
20 Johnny Cashpoint
19 Therman
18 Minty Handy
17 Chris Cogott
16 Milo Dunderville
15 DJ Ranger Den
14 Who Fly
13 Sid Denison
12 Jon Eric
11 Berkeley Social Scene
10 The Real Sign
9 Rabid Garfunkel
8 Noah McLaughlin
7 Billy’s Little Trip
6 Hoglen and Wages
5 Emperor Gum
4 Naked Philosophy
3 Adam Adamant
2 Bill Gliniecki and Matt Brodeur
1 Same Day Positive

Here are some more reviews for y'all.

1. Boop Boop – Last week, I regretted putting you too low on my list. I won’t make that mistake again this week. This is fantastic.

2. Johnny Cashpoint – That’s the way you do it people. One minute, nineteen seconds of clever pop. Could it use a better mix? Yes, but the lyrics are smart, the challenge is well-met and it has character.

3. Therman – Reist, you know I’m not always enthusiastic about your stuff, but this is very good. The chorus is one of your better uses of falsetto (imo) and has a very cool chord progression. I also like the instrumental bridge. Good ending and a well-met challenge.

4. Minty Handy – I want to rewrite the part of your verse melody—it’s almost right. ;) This song starts with such a beautiful instrumental hook; I really thought it was going to be awesome. But it becomes a bit too repetitive because the chorus and verse chord progressions are so similar. Still pretty good especially on second listen.

5. Chris Cogott – This is very pretty. Sappy, but very pretty. Excellent vocals and a great mix. I wanted a key change for the last chorus, but it’s okay.

6. Milo Dunderville – I have a genre bias against island music and especially hate the words “tiki bar.” That being said, this is well-done and deserves praise. Nice guitar solo, nice idea for the whispering. Very catchy chorus. Good job, now don’t do it again. ;)

7. DJ Ranger Den – I really like Ani DiFranco, but there are times when I find her unlistenable and it’s usually when she sounds like this. But your performance is very good and you sound convincing, like you know what you’re doing. Like you practiced. Like you know your own song, which is more than I can say for a lot of what I just listened to. So good job!

8. Who Fly – Interesting lyrics, but I can’t really appreciate the singing. Also, I’m not hearing the whispering. Better on second listen. I really like the electric piano or whatever that is. This really grew on me actually—even got used to the singing.

9. Sid Denison – I like the counterpoint between the chorus and the verses. Very clever, but not very well-executed vocally. The subject matter couldn’t interest me less—I prefer lyrics that don’t require links to understand them. I also like the jungle beat. Maybe not as good as that Saints song after all, but not bad either! Oh, the whispering—good enough for me especially when viewed as a prayer.

10. Jon Eric – Also nice playing, but the vocal turns me off. At least, the first few lines anyway. It gets much better after that. Big mistake bringing in that drum beat, imo. The song become very disjointed at that point and seems to want to pull apart. Maybe it would work better if there were some other instruments? I don’t know. Too long for me; after four minutes, I wanted it to be over. Feeling epic? Again, really nice piano.

11. Berkeley Social Scene – Everything is always so neat and orderly in your songs. I really want to hear some rough edges sometime. I mean, I’m listening to the words, but I don’t believe for a second that the singer is under any sort of duress about feeling stranded any more than I thought being a few minutes late for work was a reason to panic last week. This song reminds me of all the Sheryl Crow songs I hear at TJ Maxx. A little too polished for my tastes, I guess.

12. The Real Sign – This is like listening to a lost track by The Outfield or maybe Triumph. Neither of those things are good. I’ll give you points for the whispering, even though that bridge is super-cheesy.

13. Rabid Garfunkel – I really like the music, but I do not like the vox and the lyrics are sweet, but cliché. Couldn’t hear the whispered part at all on first listen. I keep thinking you’re going to blow me away with something cool and original, but I had you last last week and this one will likely be in the bottom third. Come on man!

14. Noah McLaughlin – Your vocals are so far in front during that first verse, it’s jarring. I know you’re a French prof or something, but what’s the point of singing the verses and chorus again in French? I’m looking for things to complain about, but I guess I really just don’t like the song.

15. Billy’s Little Trip – Vocals sound super out of tune, dude. Nice guitar lines, especially the one that contrasts with the bass. I don’t understand the words at all. How are you “stranded”?

16. Hoglen and Wages – Nice guitar playing and a nice chorus, but you need to work on your singing dude. It just kills the song. Kills it dead.

17. Emperor Gum – This is not a good performance and it’s not a good recording, but I think it’s probably a decent song. The whispering is super-annoying. I want to encourage you, but you’re going to have to do better than this to keep advancing. Also way way too long.

18. Naked Philosophy – Yeah, this is not funny or clever or well-performed.

19. Adam Adamant – I had you really high on the list last week but this seems tossed off. Too bad because I think you’re pretty good, but you probably won’t make it past this round.

20. Bill Gliniecki and Matt Brodeur – I’m not above lo-fi alt country or whatever this is, but this is just bad on so many levels.

21. Same Day Positive – This is not very good.
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Sometimes I feel like I'm in Toto and frankie big face is Michael McDonald:

http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php?media_id=1395

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frankie big face wrote: 15. Billy’s Little Trip – Vocals sound super out of tune, dude. Nice guitar lines, especially the one that contrasts with the bass. I don’t understand the words at all. How are you “stranded”?
The first two lines that were also repeated in the last verse are the premise to the title. "you don't want me, but you won't let me go". About a guy that is still the same, still likes the same things in life, "peace, love, rock, sex and BBQ", but the girl he fell in love with that used to also like those same things has now grown apart from her guy and wants something completely different out of life. Even though she doesn't want the same life as her guy and doesn't want him anymore, she won't let him leave her nor give him a divorce. So he is stranded in limbo and can't move on with his life until he gets closure.
.....I guess if I have to explain it this much, I did a bad job of telling my story.

The pitchy vocals are supposed to be part of my charm. :P
But I did laugh at my self. I never realized how hard it is to drop the vocal note down to a minor (or whatever it's called). IE: You don't want me, but you won't let me "go". The note on "go" is harder than is sounds to hit. :? ....well, for me, anyway.
Maybe one of the vocal gurus like yourself can help me with that problem.
Thanks, Frank. Nur Ein!
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Boop Boop is victorious in round 1 and gets immunity.
Emperor Gum, Adam Adamant, Brodeur & Gliniecki, and Same Day Positive have been eliminated.

Boop Boop 96
Milo Dunderville 88
Chris Cogott 80
Minty Handy 77
Jon Eric 72
Therman 70
Berkeley Social Scene 69
Billy's Little Trip 66
Sid Denison & the Harpooners 66
DJ Ranger Den 60
Johnny Cashpoint 60
The Real Sign 57
Who Fly 48
Noah McLaughlin 44
Rabid Garfunkel 42
Hoglen & Wages 37
Naked Philosophy 34
Emperor Gum 33
Adam Adamant 23
Brodeur & Gliniecki 17
Same Day Positive 16
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Lunkhead wrote:Sometimes I feel like I'm in Toto and frankie big face is Michael McDonald:

http://www.channel101.com/shows/view.php?media_id=1395

;)
For some reason, I couldn't see the video, but it was hilarious nonetheless.

But hey, at least you know when I say I like one of your songs, it's not just because you gave me a ride in Boston once. :)
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Billy's Little Trip wrote: Maybe one of the vocal gurus like yourself can help me with that problem.
I'm pretty sure you don't want to use me as a model for singing in tune. Or anything else for that matter. But thanks for being a good sport about my comments.
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Niveous wrote:Therman: I have problems listening to this. Literally. About 45 seconds in, Therman loses the loudness war. I love the style. I am always thankful for some hard rock and guitar riffs but the production is caving in my ear drums and the chorus is lost to me. After a few listens, I have been able to muddle my way threw it and it moved up my ranks from dead last but still, this is a sonic mess and I can’t get into it.
I think the war on loudness is bogus. If I want to compress my mix to hell, so be it. Sorry you didn't dig the result.
Niveous wrote:And when I strain and try to get into the lyrics, they aren’t interesting in the slightest. He rhymed that with that!
Nope, I rhymed "wanted to show that" with "already knows that". Thanks for the feedback - I know it takes a lot of effort to put out reviews. But reviews like that tend to get me a little defensive. :)
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Woo hoo, still in! I was getting pretty nervous with the two judges that did reviews. Shwew. :wipes brow:

Right there in the middle of the pack. I dedicate this song to Nur Ein. :wink:
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Reist wrote:
Niveous wrote:He rhymed that with that!
Nope, I rhymed "wanted to show that" with "already knows that".
I would agree with
that
if it weren't for the pauses before you say
that.
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Ah balls. :(

Well it was a fun if brief Nur Ein people. Good luck to the rest of you.
frankie big face wrote:19. Adam Adamant – I had you really high on the list last week but this seems tossed off. Too bad because I think you’re pretty good, but you probably won’t make it past this round.
I just want to address this before I go and cry into my coco-pops. I did have some restrictions on the amount I could record this week, however this song was far from tossed off; I hope people don't just assume that because something isn't a live recording it's easy or quick. If any of you have used a tracker program before then maybe you can sympathise, but they take time and patience to use and I tried to put as much effort as I could into this song.

Anyway, Nur Ein!
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I don't like to post my reviews until ALL the judges have weighed in...

Adam Adamant
Despite what you say (and thanks for clarifying), it sounds like you phoned it in this week, Adam, and it's the end result that counts unfortunately. We can't see the effort that went in when listening. It's not a bad bed to write a song around. The little Max Headroom bits were fun (good idea to borrow a bit from Boop's style last week - they seem to have left it behind anyway). I just felt that this didn't go anywhere. At all. I hope somebody liked it, though, because you've got it in you, and I hope to hear more.

Berkeley Social Scene
I feel like the music and the singing go better together this week. The soloist has been reigned in to the overall vibe, and the distorted guitar is mixed back to an appropriate level, so the whole thing hangs together really well. I just hope that before the competition is over, you go the other way, and get Erin to bring it up to the level of last week's guitar solos, rather than toning them down.

Billy's Little Trip
I am not as convinced by your delivery as last week. This style of singing doesn't seem to work as well for you. I do like the pitch drop at the end of each line of the verse. Your vocals need that kind of structure. Whispering is OK. Peace, Love and Rock, Sex and Barbecue sells it again. It's always the hook with you, isn't it. I could take or leave the harp. Keep trying.

Boop Boop
Wow. I am impressed with your stylistic range. I don't care what you are singing. When I was building my house, the workers (who were often Mexican) would often bringing their boom box to the job and play it loud while they were pouring concrete of whatever. I took to listening to the Mexican radio station during the construction, and I never had any idea what they were singing. Who cares if you're enjoying the whole effect?

Brodeur and Gliniecki
I didn't hate this, but I also didn't find anything to really enjoy, either. Timing is off, singing is off, and it all sounds very familiar. The delivery of the word "stranded" itself is actually kind of annoying.

Chris Cogott
I am a huge Brian Wilson fan, especially latter-day Brian Wilson, and this reminded me a lot of that. Suckered me in. Loved the layering, the harmonies, and the lyrics, cheesy as they might be. 52 times a year. Brilliant. And although this isn't a singing contest, bonus for actually singing better than Brian.

DJ Ranger Den
I love your singing, but an not convinced that this is a song as much as it is a performance. You have a great talent for riffing against minimally related music, but it kind of sits there like a backing track. I can see the piano player looking over at you to get cues on where you are going with it.

Emperor Gum
A questionable song totally destroyed by really, really, bad mixing. Technical question: Is whispering that is louder than the main vox really whispering? Ouch, my ear.

Johnny Cashpoint
The 3X "stranded" in the beginning and else where was a little annoying. I had the feeling that you didn't work on the lyrical possibilities of the underlying music quite enough, and that was the easy way out. Some of the other words seemed squeezed in, but I must say it ended to soon for me. I was starting to enjoy it.

Jon Eric
Sure, this is a hard song to sing, you don't quite nail it, and it's hard to decide if one should put more emphasis on the performance than in the regular fights, and grade you down for that. Still, I think at this point in the competition, it's a good idea to try things out. You have pushed both the songwriting and the singing into more dangerous territory for you, and I appreciate the effort. There's a spot at around 4:35 where it stops, and I feel like you aren't sure where to go, so you repeat the last section again. Probably should have jumped right to the end and spared us a minute or so in our efforts.

Milo Dunderville
I got no problem with Tiki Bars. This was almost a perfect song, for me. The only caveat is that I wanted a more definitive Carribean-style break down somewhere - the solo section, although nice, was a bit to straight-up jazz riffing.

Minty Handy
A simple concept, well executed. I shouldn't like this, but I do. Chorus comes in just in time to rescue it from boredom setting in, but it settles in a little too much like the verse. I want a little more differentiation. I like that the references to where you are stranded are somewhat oblique.

Naked Philosophy
I liked the concept and the lyrics. Are you going to treat all of the non-optional challenges as cummulative? This almost would have met the counting requirement of last week. The relentless music is almost a little boring, but it fits the occassion. Your chorus contrasts the verse in concept, but not in delivery. I want to hear you really belt it out and get your band kicked out of the wall mart.

Noah McLaughlin
Tolerable singing on the verse leads into a distinctive chorus which features pretty horrible singing. The music is catchy, if generic, but I am having trouble with these vocals.

Rabid Garfunkel
I feel like your real voice is far good enough for this song, and you are pushing it unneccessarily hard for effect that you could get without straining. It would feel more real to me if you weren't pushing it so hard.

Same Day Positive
I wanna die, too, rather than listening to this, actually. But it's my job, so I am doing it. I would let you. A little to simplistic to overcome its problems. If you're going to be this straight-forward, it better be good.

Sid Denison
This is really well set up in the first fifteen seconds, and I feel like when the vocals come in, I am ready for them. Pretty subtle for Sid, if you ask me. Nice vocal arrangement. It kind of rambles on without ever getting anywhere, however. A break in the drumming somewhere (anywhere) would have been welcome. Thunder was the closest we got, it almost took over the track. Guess that'll have to do.

The Real Sign
I am enjoying your track more than last week's. The vocals seem a little detached from the music (in the mix). I like that you went for the desert island with no apologies. Everybody was beating around that bush. Good effort on pushing the title right out there as the hook. Whispering over the bridge is a bit ho-hum, but it meets the requirement, and lets the soloists have their day.

Therman
Loved the stylized rhythmic lyrical approach at the beginning. It's like you are leading those instruments in with your voice. Once you get them going, you switch it up and belt it out. The contrast between the two delivery styles working back and forth, separated by the whispering works for me. Way to pound it out.

Hoglen and Wages
Good collaboration. Some nice changes in here, but this is a tough competition, and you end up comparing songs directly one to the next, so driving beats, hooks, and memorable themes tend to outweigh guy and guitar performances, which have to be brilliant to compete, which this is not.

Who Fly
You moved up several positions in my rating this week. I do like tick-tock vocals, don't I? Especially when they give way to something else, which they start to do at 0:43 or so, if only somewhat. Nothing here annoyed me much. In the end, I wish there would have been more build, a good bridge or a break-down somewhere to break it up. Something interested started to happen in the music at 2:45, but it was too little too late.
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Holy crap! We made the cut! I feel like Daffy Duck at the Academy Awards! Eric and I will see what we can do for "Spanish Lessons"....
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:By the way, Boop Boop was a week early with his song, lol.
Wow! I will totally take the temporary bragging rights, I could really use them this week.

I panicked a little when I saw the title for R2, but I just thought of a really good idea. At least I think it's a good idea...how long does immunity last? One round, I assume?
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BenKrieger wrote: I panicked a little when I saw the title for R2, but I just thought of a really good idea. At least I think it's a good idea...how long does immunity last? One round, I assume?
One round. So you are free from elimination in Round 2. But please, feel free to still enter that song you're thinking up.
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Niveous wrote:I would agree with
that
if it weren't for the pauses before you say
that.
Yeah, I guess you would know my intentions as an author better than I would.

I'm not trying to instigate anything, and I realize that what each person takes out of the lyrics is subjective - but telling me that I don't even know what I wrote naturally pisses me off a little. Maybe I shouldn't be picking a fight with a judge either - that could come back to bite me later. :P
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frankie big face wrote:For some reason, I couldn't see the video, but it was hilarious nonetheless.
Hm, yeah, it didn't work for me either. Here's a YouTube version.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lnt0h7P-Uk
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I can feel the Therman rankings drop with every word. :P

I wasn't disagreeing with your intention. I get that. But you put those deliberate pauses in your delivery, so it didn't come out the way you intended.
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Reist wrote:
Niveous wrote:I would agree with
that
if it weren't for the pauses before you say
that.
Yeah, I guess you would know my intentions as an author better than I would.

I'm not trying to instigate anything....
Dude, why so defensive? Three judges had you in the top four and you're the reigning Nur Ein runner-up! It's Round 1!! You've got weeks until you really have to worry...
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Hello from the Ardennes!

Being stupid I am not sure what Spud means about the "lyrical possibilities of the underlying music". What I would say is the tune started as a Ramones homage, a pun - "the CAA took my baby away", and devolved from there. The lyric I am very proud of. Frankie is right, the mix sucks but then so do all my songs' where I have more than three tracks.

As for length, well, I'm no size queen. Get in, do what you have to do, and then go tell your friends about it :)

For Round 2 I have worked out I will have exactly three hours and fourteen minutes to write the music, record and mix. Love the challenge though. Thinking of something Brel-esque, appropriate for my location, inappropriate for the title. Perfect!

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Spud wrote: Billy's Little Trip
I am not as convinced by your delivery as last week. This style of singing doesn't seem to work as well for you. I do like the pitch drop at the end of each line of the verse. Your vocals need that kind of structure. Whispering is OK. Peace, Love and Rock, Sex and Barbecue sells it again. It's always the hook with you, isn't it. I could take or leave the harp. Keep trying.
That pitch drop thing was a bugger to hit correctly for some reason. It sounded fine while I was working on my melody and sort of mumbling the vocals out. But once the headphones went on and I started recording vocals, yikes! But I do want to start adding more vocal variation to my songs. I just need to work on it.
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Re: Nur Ein! V - Round 1

Post by j$ »

Reist wrote: Yeah, I guess you would know my intentions as an author better than I would.

I'm not trying to instigate anything, and I realize that what each person takes out of the lyrics is subjective - but telling me that I don't even know what I wrote naturally pisses me off a little. Maybe I shouldn't be picking a fight with a judge either - that could come back to bite me later. :P
Hey man, word to the wise, there's at least three arguments in your post that you can't possibly win. Haven"t you got a Tom Cam to set up or something? :)
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