Occupies the Place of a Review Thread (Occupy reviews)

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Re: Occupies the Place of a Review Thread (Occupy reviews)

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Occupy My Heart

Al Gore Band- Out of tune guitars, metronome with questionable rhythm. This is nowhere near a vote. This isn’t funny. I’ve heard worse things, but this is officially wasting my time. No thanks.

Berkeley Social Scene- We changed things up a bit this time. I’m playing Bass, Martyr is on rhythm guitar and lead vocals. Lunk is on lead guitar, Ken on drums. I love this song. I find it to be totally solid. The key riff reminds me of the slow version of “Let My Love open the Door”. Ken came up with the verse pattern, I think I came up with the chorus pattern, Martyr wrote the bridge pattern. That’s Lunkhead on the Super Shredding solo. I LOVE when Martyr does the high falsetto in the later choruses. This easily gets a vote. A welcome addition to our catalog!

Billy and the Psychotics- Wow! Nice timbres introduced to the B & the P! The piano is great! The chord pattern is very nice! This easily gets a vote. This maybe my favorite B& the P. Who’s playing what? Great stuff! This is a gem! Not a complaint, but I would love to hear some Paco and Billy backing vocals. DJ is doing awesome on the front line, but I think it could be all the more awesome with more voices! VOTE!

Dealin Doug and the Rocky Autos- I’m already pissed off I typed your whole band name. Whew! Okay only the 1st 33 seconds is fodder. This sounds like son of Manhattan Glutton. Mix needs lots of help. Comedy needs a lot more funny. The performance is pretty tight. When you sound bored singing, I get super bored listening. Guitar solo is painful, but I respect the effort. A chorus would’ve gone a long way. So much room for improvement!

Dirge & Sara- Off the bat I love the kick. I like the tone of the right guitar, the left guitar not so much. The drums do sound tragically programmed. Sara’s voice is beautiful as I’ve come to expect. I still wish she would “sing her ass off” a little more. The melody is solid, but it’s safe. I’d like to hear some larger intervals. I think the songwriting is really good. Oh, that sure ended with a wimper, not a bang. Okay maybe the ending wasn’t very well written. I think more dynamics, and some other guitar tones and I’d love this. Where it’s at I like it, but not enough for a vote.

DJ Ranger Den- Okay, here’s a backhanded compliment. This is the worst produced song that I am voting for. I think this is a great song. Get Billy to do production, this would soar to the next level. I like the lyrics and the piano in the next room that you’re singing to. Does the pianist know you’re singing to his “Ambient Number Blue”? The cello? Is very nice too! Nice singing, nice melody! I liked this a lot. Vote.

Don’t Reply- Do not adjust you’re radio. This is art. It’s supposed to sound like this. I like this for a listen. I don’t care much for it on repeated listens. I love instrumentals, I’d argue more than anyone on song fight, but I don’t really hear a structure to this to grab onto. Sounds like robots in an argument. Interesting, but no vote.

EFELCCdP- Well that’s J$. This is all sooo high end. I’m dying for some bass and a kick drum. This is fun to listen to. I like all the sounds a lot. Is Heuristics in this project? There’s something Mighty Boosh about this. This was fun, I’m on the fence about a vote. I’d love to hear someone overdub some drum and bass on this.

Jon Eric- Nice vocal melody! Nice singing. The piano line is good too. I obviously hate the drum sound. I hear a bass if I listen hard for it, I think it could stand to come up. I’ll be damned, I like this. I’m compelled to vote for this. The post bridge section (where a solo should go) loses me somewhat. I think the last 30 seconds is gratuitous, I’d edit this down a bit, after the bridge and tha reapeated chorus at the end, but I really like all the fundamentals! Vote.

King Arthur- Sweet bass sound! I do like the drum sound. I take it these are programmed. There’s a super awkward drum fill at 0:17. I do like the way they sound. I see you selected that fill a few times. Anyway, your voice is awesome! I wish the lead guitar in the left was a little louder, especially during solo time. Nice playing overall! These are great verses, but the chorus is weak. I guess this would fall under the “refrain” category, not so much a chorus. This is some good bar music, this would be fun to dance to at a bar in Barstow. Good stuff! Thinking about a vote.

MC Charlie- Well the mix is really good. I don’t care for the composition, the lyrics, the flow, the headache inducing piano line, the never fading synths, nor the pitchy semi singing.

Metaluna- This has a lot of flaws. However, there’s so much energy and good stuff going on I have to vote for this. If I were producing this, there’s a bunch of lines I’d make you recut. Your phrasing is often awkward. Then when it’s compounded with out of key notes, it’s particularly cringy. But holy shit! You’re actually sing your ass off! I love it! Your vocals sound awesome more often than they sound off. The metal guitars are delicious! I love the guitarmonies and the soloing! The worst thing about the guitars is that clean tone at the beginning for the guitar on the left. I love when the backing vocals come in, reminds me of Queensryche. Verses need to be more sure with the melody. Bass is well played and in a good spot! Vote!

C. Layne- I’m digging the intro! Nice verse melody and groove. Nice restrained guitar. Uh oh, is there a chorus comes not. Cool musical interlude. Great recording, great performance, not sure about the song writing. I really like this, I wish it had a chorus and a solo and some more dynamics. What’s there is awesome, but I think it needs more.

Noah McLaughlin- This is solid. Perhaps this is a bit obvious. I like the chorus music a lot. The verse seems phoned in, but it’s a nice vehicle to solo over. Your voice sounds great and is well suited for this Southern Country Rock thing. I like the keys on the 2-3. This is nice, not particularly inspired enough for my vote. Good stuff though!

Paco del Stinko- We are all amateurs. This is professional. I’d buy this album. I’d hear this on the radio and immediately investigate how to get a hold of this album. Things that are awesome: the mix, the guitars, the solos, the bass, the drum sound, the writing, the dynamics, the vocals, the backing vocals. This is the clear winner to me. BIG SUPER VOTE

The Pannacotta Army- This is beautiful! I love your vocals. I love the instrumentation. The chorus hook is a little weak compared to how compelling the verse and the pre-chorus is. This is also soooo ripe for a tasty solo (that never comes). This is just great. Vote!

Pigfarmer Jr.- This sounds very unfinished. It is worth pursuing finishing it. I like what’s here. The time fluctuations in the guitar and bass make it sound improvised, or like an early take. Why no drums? You should at least record to a click track. If not make your time fluctuations purposeful and not just sloppy. The faux cello is very nice, it’s a good line and serves the song well. The vocals and the melody are nice enough, the glaring problem is this sounds like a sloppy demo. If you spend more time on it, it will pay off.

Pigpen- Wow, this is rather uninteresting. The rapping is not pleasant to listen to. This needs more funk.

Ross Durand- That lick reminds me of America- Ventura Highway. The acoustic is just fantastic sounding! (I know I say that every time, but it’s amazing to me). This is a solid G n G! Vocals are great! I’m not the least bit surprised by this song, it’s kind of exactly what I thought it was going to be. I love it, vote!

Sep- This production leave a lot to be desired. Whisper vocals and monster vocals and off key vocals are difficult to take. I’m trying so hard to make it through the whole song. This is tough in a long fight. Wow, please work out your melody before you submit next time. Sounds like you’re still working on it. This is too long! I can’t make it. I’ll do it once, but never again. This is not good. I admire the effort, but you got a lot to sort out, mix wise, melody wise, song structure wise. Rough rough listen.

Son of Super Car- YES! This big phat groove reminds me of G Love. Your vocals are super cool too. The drums are what really make this rock. This could stand to have a chorus too, but I love the groove so much I’m going to vote for it. The weird backwards stuff is awesome! Vote.

Sportswriters- This is a strong fight, and this is one of the strongest. I love this song. Excellent vocals! I’m a sucker for alternating time signatures. The muted guitars playing against the huge washy chords are very effective. I love the guitar tones. All the rhythms are so fun. Your vocals fit very well too! I object to the line “… the path needed sweeping”, I will only forgive George Harrison for such a rhyme vs content disparity. The solo is tasty, but perhaps overpowered by the backing band. The backing vocal “oohs” are subtle and wonderful. Yeah, I loved this entry! Big Vote!

State Shirt- I was excited to hear this, this was the 1st song I checked out in the fight. This is good, but I don’t love it the way I usually love State Shirt songs. The vocals are a little too buried in effects for my tastes. There’s some truly beautiful moments in this composition, but the overall flow of the sections doesn’t really work for me. That super fast arpeggio, just seems out of place. The double time chorus seems out of left field, other than the synth arpeggio luring the song to that tempo. Sorry man, you’re still my looping hero, but this composition is great to listen to, but doesn’t get a vote for me. Saying that, I am keeping it on my ipod in hopes of “getting it” someday.

Tony & Juan & Adam- Do we have rock? Yes we do! Damn it guys! That was an awesome intro. Then it turned to crap. Screw the rap, just rock and grunt. I think you succeeded in your goals. It’s nice and short. This should just be a one minute song, an anthem for the times. I like the “I was just the one you were the 99 percent”. And the “Occupy! My heart”. That’s all the lyrics you need.

The Yyarrell Brothers- I’ve come to brace myself for your entries. This is great! Sounds like you guys really tried this time. I like the playing and the singing. Nice hook for the chorus! Nice slide solo! I wish the bass had more of a role that root 8th notes, but it supports the song well. This was a charming song! And it has a real ending! Vote!

Wow, strong fight everyone!!!

Lots of votes:

Paco del Stinko (FTW)
Sportswriters
Yyarrell Brothers
Son of Super Car
Ross Durand
The Pannacotta Army
Metaluna
Jon Eric
DJ Ranger Den
Billy & the Psychotics
Berkeley Social Scene
King Arthur
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Re: Occupies the Place of a Review Thread (Occupy reviews)

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Generic wrote:[You are the only person in this thread who has used the word "feminism" (well, until now). I just linked to a bunch of women who are offended by things exactly like what you said, and you're just denying that they exist.
I'm not trying to align myself with either camp but I really don't think that using some links showing that some people are offended by things necessarily makes those things all-encompassingly evil. Maybe that sounds like a circular reference. What I'm getting at is that in a world of nearly 7 billion people, of which almost one-third have internet access (http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm) I think you'll find that pretty much EVERYTHING offends SOMEONE, and a LOT OF THINGS offend LOTS OF PEOPLE.

For example, Mulims think puppies are offensive: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374564,00.html

That's hilarious. And possibly even true for a few people.

Plus, what is offensive certainly changes with time. Remember when you couldn't curse on television? Geez, they don't even edit South Park anymore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Hits_the_Fan). I liked Sportwriters initial reaction to whichever song it was that he didn't like - he stopped listening. You always have that option.

But to ask someone to change their art because it is "offensive"... Well, be careful with that, you might just get what you want: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451.
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Re: Occupies the Place of a Review Thread (Occupy reviews)

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Thanks, Glennny! That one was just DJ and myself. I didn't get it to Paco with enough time. But yes, I'd like to get Paco and myself supporting DJ more. But you know how it goes on the mighty SF with work schedules and deadlines. ;)
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Re: Occupies the Place of a Review Thread (Occupy reviews)

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Okay. This whole discussion about the word "bitch". Stop it. You're wasting everyone's time. Hell, I'm wasting everyone's time, too, by contributing to it. Please move on and stop me from doing it again.

I listened to (part of) PiGPEN's song and I think that, as far as content goes, it's completely worthless. Even the most favourable interpretation I could come up with still rendered it boring, trivial, stupid... whatever you want to call it. I sort of liked the delivery, the backing track and some stylistic elements, but that can't really save a lyrical train wreck. I can in no way take the song seriously, no matter whether it thinks that the it's somehow entertaining or that it's somehow otherwise engaging.

Somehow this evolved into a discussion of the word "bitch". What the eff? The word "bitch" is an insult, and a perfectly fine one. Non-offensive words don't make for very good insults. "You're a total person!" Doesn't really come across as very insulting, right? So, I dunno, I guess that means you're against insults in general? So why don't you just say so?

If an insult is applied to a large group of people, there are really only a few explanations:

1. the insult was used impulsively, out of a situation involving one member of that group. This kind of improper generalisation is something people commonly do, and I'm definitely in favour of dishing out immediate attitude readjustment in this kind of case. Most people suck at readjusting attitudes so most attempts fail spectacularly, but let's not get into that right now.
2. the insult was used thoughtlessly, sort of as a stylistic device, without a specific cause. Often this is done by people who know not to do it when there is anyone around who would be offended. Since, as Dirge pointed out, pretty much all things offend at least some people, I don't condemn this in general. I judge this kind of thing on a situational basis, but my general tendency is to frown at most. Since this kind of insult is so very context-dependent, I reject abstract discussions about it. For example, I know some people who are very good at using generalised insults in a funny way, while simultaneously disarming them. Again, let's not get into that right now.
3. the insult was used deliberately to express an — almost certainly deluded — belief about that entire group. Changing these kinds of beliefs is not possible by mere disagreement (even if very vocal) or using logical arguments. So, the rational options are to either write the person off as an idiot (or poor soul or whatever you feel best about), or to learn how to actually change people's minds.

But, somehow, most people make it about how loudly they can shout, "I disagree with your view!" Come on, that does nothing! Saying it once, in not so many words and at normal speaking level, is plenty. Everything above and beyond that is just indulging in your sense of outrage, and not about actually helping anyone else or making a difference, no matter how badly you want to believe that. Change is not a shouting match. Grow up and go learn how to make a real difference instead. [Manual not included in this post]

I want to leave it at that, but to reduce the risk of being misunderstood, here's another paragraph. Defending yourself after using the word "bitch"? Seriously? Get real. Of course you have the right to use that word to make your music sound "cooler". You also have the right to scream "I'm an idiot" in public places. In fact, I'm not sure whether I can tell the difference. "Oh by the way it was a parody" is a semi-valid defence, though, as far as I am concerned. I don't consider it a parody since I can't distinguish it from "the real thing", so I still think the song is completely worthless... but someone else might see it as a parody. After all, I consider some things parodies that other people don't. But I have The Objective Truth on my side, so only I can be right. Right?
Oh sorry, there I went semi-defending him again. Sort of. Can't help it. Actually I'm not sorry. Just stop having this stupid discussion. You've already killed the horse. Stop beating it.
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Amazing fight this week!

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Wow! There were a lot of good entries this week! What an awesome fight! Well, I suppose I'll get right into it then...

Al Gore Band: I enjoyed the 'listen to my cheddar, the Lord made it sharp' lyric but the song in general didn't do much for me. Sorry.

Berkeley Social Scene: The pitchiness on 'heart, much, you' etc. takes the enjoyment out of an otherwise well-composed song. But keep in mind this coming from someone would have probably "cheated" and autotuned those words..

Billy & the Psychotics: I like it! :) A few adjustments to the guitar (and possibly the organ/synth in a few spots) notes and this could be a great song!

c.layne: Oh my gosh yes!! Can I please remix this? I'm downloading this one!!

Dealin' Doug & the Rocky's Autos: I wanted to like this one, I just couldn't vibe on it. I'm sure the right audience would enjoy this though..

Dirge & Sara: Nice song but gets a bit boring. There isn't enough change in the scale of the notes. If it had more drastic changes in notation or composition, I would genuinely enjoy this quite a bit.

DJ Ranger Den: This is similar to what I would have done, so I suppose I'm biased. But it's nice :)

dont reply: I'm a huge fan of electronic music so take this from someone who is quite biased in this spectrum of genres: this is a good song but does not match the title. If I were going to vote for an instrumental or electronic song with the title 'Occupy My Heart' it would have to be almost score-like and be deeply emotional...

Elephant Finger Et Le Casio Ensemble Contemporain de Paris:I like this but it gets very repetitive, very quickly.

Jon Eric: It has potential.

King Arthur: I like the groove. It's what I would sort of expect this song to sound like..

MC Charlie Oh: Too much freestyle and not enough hook... the hook needs to come in sooner and there needs to be more change in notation. It needs to be different during the chorus/hook.

Metaluna: This has both really good elements and ones that make me want to change the song quickly. But it has a great deal of potential :)

Monkey Touchers: No thanks...

Noah McLaughlin: This reminds me of Dire Straits and Johnny Cash. It's not specifically my type, but it's pretty well done.

Paco del Stinko: Haha! I like what you did with this!

The Pannacotta Army: This is nice! Very good job here!

Pig Farmer Jr.: The strings in this song really make it! They would make it better if there were more of them in it however. All in all, pretty descent song..

PiGPEN: Someone wants to be Jay Z... Sorry, it isn't really a bad song, but I can't really get into it either.

Ross Durand: If you put strings in this song I would probably cry listening to it. Great job!!

Sep: Not feeling it.

sonofsupercar: I'm downloading this one too..

Sportswriters: Yes!! This is one of my favorite entries!! Awesome job! I'm not sure it could have been done much better!

State Shirt: Have you ever heard of Pendulum? For some reason, this song reminds me of them somewhat. It also has coldplay-esque chord progressions. I like it :)

Tony and Juan and Adam: I think part of me wants to not like this, but I can't help but like it anyway. The part of me that doesn't want to is probably the part that was looking for ballads with this fight...

The Yyarrell Brothers Band: Counting Crows and Jimmie Eat World got together and made this, didn't they? Nicely done!

Votes: c.layne, Sportswriters, Ross Durand, Noah McLaughlin, The Pannacotta Army, The Yarrell Brothers Band, State Shirt, DJ Ranger Den, Tony and Juan and Adam, sonofsupercar, Billy & the Psychotics, Paco del Stinko, and King Arthur
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Glenny
Your reviews are spot on of both my outfits. I want both the fellas to sing moreishly. Also I like Paco's lyrics and I wouldn't mind trying some really strange stuff, frankly. Dunno what that might be...but it's fun to think up stuff :) been fun with other folks coming in and out of stuff too.

As far as I go, I am SOOOOO not an engineer. I do "this" for a "living" but not all aspects of this which is why the funny "DJ" name. I'm practicing to learn new skills which is why I am constantly doing things I am not good at. I'm singing styles of music which make me uncomfortable, playing piano in new ways, making myself write at the last minute sometimes. I'm trying to work while playing, I guess. Like free school. You get what you put in :) I get paid to sing when lucky and make sounds sometimes. I used to work more session stuff but I'm a bit socially odd now.

Anyway, I like the production advice because I won't get anywhere without SOUNDING more professional. And, there's some with more natural aptitude here. Bonus :)

BLT is certainly one of those here. There's a few people, but he has made me sound better than I can do alone for sure :)
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Dejected_Motives wrote:c.layne: Oh my gosh yes!! Can I please remix this? I'm downloading this one!!
PM me with your email and I'll try to get the tracks to you.
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Dejected_Motives wrote:PiGPEN: Someone wants to be Jay Z...
I got 99 problems and saying bitch is one.
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dirgetheband wrote:
Generic wrote:[You are the only person in this thread who has used the word "feminism" (well, until now). I just linked to a bunch of women who are offended by things exactly like what you said, and you're just denying that they exist.
I'm not trying to align myself with either camp but I really don't think that using some links showing that some people are offended by things necessarily makes those things all-encompassingly evil. Maybe that sounds like a circular reference. What I'm getting at is that in a world of nearly 7 billion people, of which almost one-third have internet access (http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm) I think you'll find that pretty much EVERYTHING offends SOMEONE, and a LOT OF THINGS offend LOTS OF PEOPLE.

For example, Mulims think puppies are offensive: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,374564,00.html
Maybe you didn't read the whole thing, so I'd just like to clarify this. I didn't tell PiGPEN to change his song (I didn't like it, but whatever), and I never claimed to speak for all women or all feminists. I didn't get angry at him until he said this:
PiGPEN wrote: There's a couple more iterations of the word "bitch" in the song but those are bitch as emphasis and no self-respecting feminist would even bother arguing the use of that since it's use is so far removed from the words original definition.
So I'm not telling him to change his art, or never to use the word "bitch," or anything like that... I'm just saying that there are people (self-respecting feminists, even) who get offended at this type of use of the word, and that they have every right to be offended. PiGPEN seems to think that people don't get offended by it anymore. On this point, he's wrong. Factually wrong. And it's not his place to determine who is offended, or who is allowed to be offended, at a volatile word that he used.
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PiGPEN wrote:
Dejected_Motives wrote:PiGPEN: Someone wants to be Jay Z...
I got 99 problems and saying bitch is one.
Good one! See, you can be funny if you try. Now make your music funny, slut. Image

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You're a tough audience Bill, you only like 5+ year old references and bad puns. *smiley face*

*smiley face*
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It takes 5+ years before they become cliche enough to go on a t-shirt and sold at Walmart. I still laugh and I laugh and laugh when I see a shirt that says, where's the beef. *vagina face*

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Generic wrote:Maybe you didn't read the whole thing, so I'd just like to clarify this. I didn't tell PiGPEN to change his song (I didn't like it, but whatever), and I never claimed to speak for all women or all feminists...

...I'm not telling him to change his art, or never to use the word "bitch," or anything like that... I'm just saying that there are people (self-respecting feminists, even) who get offended at this type of use of the word, and that they have every right to be offended. PiGPEN seems to think that people don't get offended by it anymore. On this point, he's wrong. Factually wrong. And it's not his place to determine who is offended, or who is allowed to be offended, at a volatile word that he used.
Maybe I missed it or misread it, but I thought somewhere along the line someone said something to the tune of "your song will be offensive until you change it to not be offensive." I guess what I'm driving at is that it will offend someone, guaranteed. The only way to make art inoffensive (to all) is to abstain from making art.

Take Bob Ross. He's was a happy, go lucky guy with a killer Jew-fro who liked to paint happy, go lucky trees. Brought the Joy of Painting to the common man, if in fact the common man was watching PBS in the 1980s. Totally inoffensive, right? No. There are tons of people who hated this guy, thought his method of painting wasn't TR00 enough. Seriously. Happy trees = offensive (to some).

I don't feel like it's my responsibility to cater anyone's artistic tastes. Do what you want to do. If people don't like it, fuck 'em, they can:

1. Change the channel
2. Tune to a different station
3. Avert their eyes
4. Close the browser

I'm not debating you that there are people that find the word "bitch" to be offensive. I know they are out there. What I'm saying is that if you find it offensive and you continue to listen to PiGPEN's song, well, you must be a masochist, because there is no one forcing you to do so. He can write and record whatever he wants. I find Monkey Touchers submissions to be an affront to all that is music, but I don't drag it out into 10 pages of discussion. I just don't listen to it. That's the easiest solution for all involved.

Although I am kind of glad this all went down. If not for this thread, I wouldn't have found that story about Muslims and puppies.

(This will be my last post on the topic unless someone comes up with a really witty retort in the form of a knock-knock joke.)
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dirgetheband wrote:
Generic wrote:Maybe you didn't read the whole thing, so I'd just like to clarify this. I didn't tell PiGPEN to change his song (I didn't like it, but whatever), and I never claimed to speak for all women or all feminists...

...I'm not telling him to change his art, or never to use the word "bitch," or anything like that... I'm just saying that there are people (self-respecting feminists, even) who get offended at this type of use of the word, and that they have every right to be offended. PiGPEN seems to think that people don't get offended by it anymore. On this point, he's wrong. Factually wrong. And it's not his place to determine who is offended, or who is allowed to be offended, at a volatile word that he used.
Maybe I missed it or misread it, but I thought somewhere along the line someone said something to the tune of "your song will be offensive until you change it to not be offensive." I guess what I'm driving at is that it will offend someone, guaranteed. The only way to make art inoffensive (to all) is to abstain from making art.

Take Bob Ross. He's was a happy, go lucky guy with a killer Jew-fro who liked to paint happy, go lucky trees. Brought the Joy of Painting to the common man, if in fact the common man was watching PBS in the 1980s. Totally inoffensive, right? No. There are tons of people who hated this guy, thought his method of painting wasn't TR00 enough. Seriously. Happy trees = offensive (to some).

I don't feel like it's my responsibility to cater anyone's artistic tastes. Do what you want to do. If people don't like it, fuck 'em, they can:

1. Change the channel
2. Tune to a different station
3. Avert their eyes
4. Close the browser

I'm not debating you that there are people that find the word "bitch" to be offensive. I know they are out there. What I'm saying is that if you find it offensive and you continue to listen to PiGPEN's song, well, you must be a masochist, because there is no one forcing you to do so. He can write and record whatever he wants. I find Monkey Touchers submissions to be an affront to all that is music, but I don't drag it out into 10 pages of discussion. I just don't listen to it. That's the easiest solution for all involved.

Although I am kind of glad this all went down. If not for this thread, I wouldn't have found that story about Muslims and puppies.

(This will be my last post on the topic unless someone comes up with a really witty retort in the form of a knock-knock joke.)
I only listened to PiGPEN's song once. I didn't hate it, but I didn't think it was brilliant or particularly funny, either. The argument (at least, my side of it) was based 100% on the things he said out-of-character in this thread, which I found a lot more offensive than his song.

Anyways...

Glennny gave my song a good review, and even voted for it. What's up with that?
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:It takes 5+ years before they become cliche enough to go on a t-shirt and sold at Walmart. I still laugh and I laugh and laugh when I see a shirt that says, where's the beef. *vagina face*

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Congrats to c.layne and The Pannacotta Army! Good fight.
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Wow, my first win since 2004! Thanks everyone.
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Good job Mclayne.
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A very appropriate end result. Congrats to the winners in a fun and varied fight.
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What? I didn't win?! [Read: French Accent] Impossible! :mrgreen: Seriously, congratulations to C. Layne and Panna Cotta Army. Great entries.

Thank yous to all who actually listend to and reviewed my entry as well. The lyrics and vocal performances were put together at the last minute and I realize that it shows. Melodies -even lyrical ones- come to me very easily. Lyrics? Not so much. These, however, I am actually mostly pleased with. That said, given the numerous timing/meter/prosody critiques, I'd VERY MUCH appreciate any inputs here. Stresses on certain phrases, lyrical substitutions, suggested lyric-writing resources, whatever. Anyone willing to help can find my handiwork here:

http://songfight.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8272

Also, excellent catch to those of you who caught on to one of my biggest influences: Geoff Tate from Queensryche. "Rage for Order", "Operation: Mindcrime", and "Empire" were HUGE for me as a kid. Given this, I always swing for the fences with my vocal performances. Which means that it will turn out very good or VERY, VERY BAD.

I've spent the past few years developing my recording skills, which means that since I dislike writing lyrics I always procrastinate by working on the mix instead. Of course, this mix fell quite flat after adding the vocals. Didn't have a chance to go back and listen on various systems due to time constraints (submitted at the last minute) and hence didn't realize that the vocal was way too hot for the busy mix. Again, if anyone would be willing to help with some of the lyrics, I'd be grateful. This is one of those that I can see myself taking the time to properly fix (too often I'll leave finished-yet-imperfect songs by the wayside in pursuit of something new).
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very happy to get this (joint) win - thanks to everyone, voters, non-voters and all reviewers pro & anti
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glennny wrote: EFELCCdP- Is Heuristics in this project?
No, but I'd sure like to collaborate with Mr. $ again soon, it's been since February!
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