jb wrote:I think it might be interesting to have a coverfight where we cover OURSELVES. Take one of your own songs and do it over like you're covering it. Except this time you have like a month to work on it, and the song is already written and stuff.
*shrug*
You know, this is something I've been wanting to do for a long time (I think I'd even posted something titled like "rocker, cover thyself" on the old boards though those are totally gone now). So I'm glad I happened across this thread.
June 1 seems a bit early, though; aren't CF deadlines usually around one month? (Not that it makes a difference for me, since I'm going to be losing access to all my recording gear on the 25th or so for a month anyway.)
Well, it seemed far off when I set the deadline. CF deadlines are always flexible anyway, to say the least.
Oh, duh, I didn't notice that you'd set the deadline on May 1; I only looked at the dates on later posts. Sorry.
Anyway, this is something I'd been wanting to do for a long time anyway and I feel pathetic that it's only when it comes to a vote that I get motivated to finally, like, do it.
ok sorry, so whats the deal? May 1st or June 1st? Theme? Anything in the archive? A song you never submitted? I've never done a coverfight before, sorry, and this thread seems to jump around and i'm not sure what the final word is if any.
toddlans wrote:ok sorry, so whats the deal? May 1st or June 1st? Theme? Anything in the archive? A song you never submitted? I've never done a coverfight before, sorry, and this thread seems to jump around and i'm not sure what the final word is if any.
jb wrote:I think it might be interesting to have a coverfight where we cover OURSELVES. Take one of your own songs and do it over like you're covering it. Except this time you have like a month to work on it, and the song is already written and stuff.
*shrug*
jb wrote:Only songs that were written for Song Fight are eligible, whether you entered them or not. That makes sense to me-- if you didn't enter it because it sucked, now's your chance to make it not suck.
jb
jb wrote:<b>The Topic Is Settled</b>
Unless a whole bunch of people protest, enough people have expressed interest in doing "Cover Yourself", so let's do that one. Deadline June 1.
JB
jb wrote:Coverfight has traditionally never cared what the f anybody does for their cover. I think the idea here would be only a pseudo-coverfight anyway, with the real goal being "how good can i make this song if i redid it?" It would be like, a chance to fix all those things you may not have liked when you entered it into the fight, or to get the take you always wanted but never took the time to do. A lot of us always say we're gonna go back and do that song over some day, but we never do. This would be a chance to do that. Or just to go nuts and make your acoustic guy/guitar song into a total rocker or electronica dance song or something.
A little late but I have been meaning to say I am interested in doing this. In fact I have all but finished re-recording one of my less successful entries. Quite a few choices there ....
Sorry to be dense, but I want to be sure I'm understanding this correctly. If I wrote a song for a fight, but never submitted it, or even recorded it, could I enter a recording of that song?
I'm pretty sure you can, but for me the pleasure is going to be hearing a song then comparing it to the original in the archive, so I personally wouldn't get as much out of hearing a song that I have no idea how it has been improved.
That's just me, though ... and I guess any improvement on nothing is an improvement!
Lunkhead wrote:Sorry to be dense, but I want to be sure I'm understanding this correctly. If I wrote a song for a fight, but never submitted it, or even recorded it, could I enter a recording of that song?
jb wrote:Only songs that were written for Song Fight are eligible, whether you entered them or not.
I think the "even recorded it" part is implied. There could be a multitude of reasons you didn't enter it, including whatever reasons it didn't get recorded. Ideally for folks to make the A/B comparison, it would be nice to have an original recording and one you have improved whether that's through re-mixing the song or re-recording some or all of the parts.
It's a sidefight, as long as it was a Songfight title you should be OK.
between michelle moving in after the wedding, my family visiting this weekend for the holiday, and now having a roommate so i can't record my piano in the middle of the night, i don't think this will get done by wednesday. if it does, it'll probably be as rushed as the first time. we don't want that! please?
-bill
Ok with the (possible) deadline approaching, and assuming the format will be similiar to previous coverfights, I was wondering how people intend to approach the voting process for this?
Do you vote 'good' for an excellent tune, regardless of what has been done or not done to it, or do you vote for 'most improved'? For me the latter seems the logical choice, but I can imagine I would end up responding to the former.
Like I loved Marnagulus & the Lazers' 'Tanker Truck' except it desperately needed mastering. Were they to sumbit a mastered version of that (which, with a trial version of Ozone, say) they could do in 5 minutes, I would probably vote for it as a great song, but it wouldn't really be much 'improved'. Do you see what i mean?
Personally, I'm going to apply a complex equation in which I rate both the original and the new version based on a 20-dimensional multi-point scale, multiply the score of the new version (S') with the delta from old to new (δS), fit those values (K) to a bell curve, assign good and bad votes based on a chi square distribution, and then give the 'best cover' vote to the one with the top K.
Or, you know, vote for the song which I feel is most worthy of the vote.
Since the rules allow for "covers" of songs that were never finished, it's probably a good idea just to go by which songs are better, regardless of the originals' merits. Might be hard to do in some cases, but you know, best judgement and all that.
True, but doesn't that invalidate the whole point of the exercise? Especially if like me, you don't really factor production / musical prowess very highly into the equation when deciding on which song you like the most?
I wondered at first whether there should be two 'trophies' - best in show and most improved, but that's pretty wanky.
Just shooting the breeze really, trying to bump the thread to remind people that the deadline is supposed to be wednesday and at the same get an impression of how people are going to approach it.
Yes.
j$
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I should have finished recording mine before I left New York. Going back to one track at a time has made me realize how cumbersome it is to try recording vocals and guitar separately. Meh.
j$ wrote:True, but doesn't that invalidate the whole point of the exercise? Especially if like me, you don't really factor production / musical prowess very highly into the equation when deciding on which song you like the most?
Only if the purpose is solely to improve on an old song. From what I interpret, this coverfight is just a chance to "get out" something that you meant to get out some time ago. Whether what you're getting out is something that an old song lacked or something that was too lacking to even be a song yet doesn't seem all that important.
But I guess we all know by now that the votes don't matter anyway, so let's just vote however we please. I think I'll base mine on song length and band names.
