Like them? I STILL love them (We All Need Love reviews)

[rone rivendale]

I wanted to reply to what people have said about me so far:

First off, I KNOW the music is lacking. In fact, that was on purpose. This was my 3rd attempt at music for the song. After the 1st two failed to fit what I was going for lyrically, I decided to use a minimalist approach and use a simple beat with a few tweaks that would serve the purpose of matches the rythum without detouring the listener from the words. Did it work? Sure, but it sounds pretty bad I know.

Melvin: Thank you for your kind words. It does mean alot because you have quickly become my favorite artist. If I ever get ahold of my earlier works (I formatted unexpectedly August of '04) from my online friend who was supposed to send me a copy of her CD a year ago, then I'll have to post some songs. I did some uhh... decent stuff back then. Better than anything I've done in songfight.

Mal: I know that the music quality I've done is total crap. Trust me I know. I have done better before. I have this problem where I make music that's complex but then the lyrics don't fit, so I end up simplifying the music to make it fit.

Anyway, I appreciate the reviews. I'll post some of my own in a few days. Although I'll probably vote for Mel...errr we'll see.

[jseavers05]

Bearded Clam Duo - i really like the scatting crap like a minute into the song. the drums are pretty fresh too, but only the humor influences me to listen to the song again.

Boltoph - great job on the production of the song... the song is great, and it was mixed down and mastered very well. i think it lacks a little bit of something to hook the listener...great vocals and a nice clean acoustic... i dont mean this in a bad way, but it seems like something id listen to if i was going to sleep... but i do like the song. again, great production and your song is written very well. awesome job.

Cheap Bastards - it sounds like DDR or something. nice work with the synths and the fat bass is cool and all. i do like some some synth stuff and i do think that you did really good with making the song, but i dont know if im really excited about this song.

Chuck Chuck Moose - awesome horns during the intro, and the chorus is pretty catchy and sorta reminds me of the strokes. i think you did a pretty good job. i think that your song would rock way harder live. anyways, its a cool song!!!

Johnny in the Corner - your song was written very well. mabye you shouldnt try too hard to pronounce your consonants when you sing. i think it would help the vocals a lot. anyways, it sorta reminds me of something that might have been recorded back in the late 70s or early 80s which is a pretty cool twist. anyways, the song itself is great. it seems like someone could make an awesome cover out of this song you wrote. good job.

Jordan Seavers - me. i wish i had more time to record the song. i heard about songfight the night before the deadline, so it was a tight squeeze to finish in a couple hours.

Melvin - i listened to some of your other songs that youve submitted, and i think your songs always turn out really cool. you produced your song really well, and mixed it and mastered the product super good. It really is one of the songs on the top of my list from both titles. totally is one of my favorites. great job!!!

Mime Cavity - i think you should have tuned and practiced the guitar part a little more. someone said eariler that you sometimes sound like bono and you really do at times... after you sing "we all needahhhhh!!!" at like 2:23, the song goes a little funky. i think you wrote the song really well, but the presentation is a little below average and you seem like you could have done better. i think you could write a cool song, but im not feeling it this time around... although im looking foward to hearing more of your songs.

obscurity - i like the intro to your song. i think the obo and the trumpets sound like casio to the max. you recorded your song pretty well and i think it would have sounded a little better if you sung an octive higher and if the casio sounds were a little more realistic. other than that, good job.

Phunt Caravan Ray - i think the song is good except for the singing and freddy love talk. its sorta annoying. besides that, the song is good.

The Phunt Family - the first half of the song... its pretty annoying. i think the second half of the song sounds so good but mainly only because the first half was over. actually the second half really wasnt that bad. i really do like the guitar and the tapping of the sticks... if only it was longer than a minute and 6 seconds.

Posyden - im not a really big fan of sept. 11 rap songs... i really dont want to stop colaborate and listen. i do gotta say you did an alright job of putting together a song to rap to, it just isnt something id wanna press the rewind button to.

Raised By Wolves - nice jungle book sounds. i dont really know what to say about your song. its fun to listen to your lyrics. anyways, its pretty cool.

Retardos Burritos Hermanos - haha, dude... this was horrible. i love it. it sounds like donkey kong is in the background. if i could vote more than 8 times, youd definately have one of my votes. great work!!!

Rone Rivendale - what a freaking awesome drum beat..... but your off beat of the freaking awesome drum beat. anyways, sounds like you worked a while on the lyrics, so good job on that.

Ryan Rickenbach - awesome stuff!!! i think that the song itself was totally cool. the solo is fun and i think your vocals sound rad too. great job!

Tall El Tardo - its not much of a song. its more like a one man conversation with background music. the background is sorta neat for background music... but yeah. not really impressed...

[ruin8r]

<b>Bearded Clam Duo</b> +++
[lounge, shuffle, spoken word, howling]
Nice interlude music. Perfect length.

<b>Boltoph</b> ++
[electric folk]
Nice recording. Like the vocals. The lyrics, not so much.

<b>Cheap Bastards</b> ++
[psychodisco]
Nice sounds and beat. Doesn't do enough interesting to justify 3:35.

<b>Chuck Chuck Moose</b> +++
[britpop wannabe]
Catchy riff. The vocals occasionally border on wrong but in sort of a good way. They're interesting enough that I don't care about the lyrics. Keyboard solo provides a nice comic relief.

<b>Johnny in the Corner</b> ++
[gay britpop wannabe]
Love the gay vocals. None more gay. If only the lyrics did something interesting or maybe if there was some sort of changeup.

<b>Jordan Seavers</b> +
[whiny britpop wannabe]
Vocals not quite whiny enough. Not really bad, just not enough going on here.

<b>Melvin</b> +++
[indypop]
Vocals competently executed, timing and all, but not much punch. The usual excellent recording job and instrumental performance. I've liked other songs of yours better.

<b>Mime Cavity</b> ++
[off-broadway gaytastrophe]
Like the vocals. Lots of feeling. Goes on a bit too long but does build up to quite the big finish. Opened and closed on the same night I imagine.

<b>Obscurity</b> +
[swans wannabe]
Interesting enough to listen to all the way through.

<b>Phunt Caravan Ray</b> +++
[psychoblues]
Nice guitar stunts. I like the idea of teh vocals but they aren't quite edgy enough. I like that weird disembodied sound that happens at around 1:15. I wished the sound collage in the middle was longer. Needs more copy and paste.

<b>Phunt Phamily</b> +
[free jazz]
Sometimes I like this sort of thing. Not this one though. Not quite.

<b>Posyden</b> +
[hiphop-ish]
Reminds me of Andy Milonakis, but not as funny. Try being more pathetic and embarrassing.

<b>Raised By Wolves</b> +++
[undead zombie carpenters]
Nice minimalist sound. I like the vocals. The lyrics are pretty good.

<b>Retardos Burritos Hermanos</b> ++
[dada]
I like dada. Especially short dada.

<b>Ron Rivendale</b> +
[beat poem]
I don't much like poetry. Or is it that I don't like much poetry? I don't like this poetry.

<b>Ryan Rickenbach</b> ++
[indyfolkpop]
Vocals are very pleasant. Almost enough to make up for the boring lyrics and lack of changeups.

<b>Tall El Tardo</b> ++
[spokenreggaelounge]
Is that valleyguy monolog found audio or was it recorded for the fight?

<b>Klownhole</b>
[?]
Hey, where's the Klownhole song? Fuck. I reviewed the wrong fight.

[WeaselSlayer]

Phunt Caravan Ray - YOU SON OF A BITCH THIS WAS ALREADY A SONG. Hahaha, your voice is crazy. You're the fuckin' Road Warrior and that lead guitar is destructive.

Phunt Phamily - The first half of this is bad, I know, it was intentional. So I guess it works, but it's not very good lol

Johnny in the Corner - This is like melancholy but also really creepy. Like, "this is sad, but I don't know if I want to empathize because there's something so off." But, ok, this chorus is where the real tragedy hits. This is driving in the rain music, which I never thought I'd hear on songfight.

Raised by Wolves - There's a really awkward energy to this. I want it to work, but it's a little too awkward to live. No wait, the music I like ok but the vocals somehow don't fit. The reverb certainly doesn't help. It sounds like you're trying to do like a Magnetic Fields, but I'd rather just hear whatever voice comes naturally for you.

Rone Rivendale - You uh, used a Bloodhound Gang lyric at the end.

Bearded Clam Duo - This is so misanthropic. I love people who don't give a shit in the right way. It's always refreshing on songfight.

Ryan Rickenbach - I dig this new direction you're headed. You've been listening to your Beatles/Elliott Smith. It's a little too sterile sometimes, maybe, and the lyrics only stand out aurally. But the craft here is pretty top-notch, if it were a boat it would be a really seaworthy one.

Retardos Burritos Hermanos - MIDI drums are hilarious. I actually really want a burrito right now.

Cheap Bastards - There's a lot going on in this, but it seems like a lot of flash without the substance I really want to hear in it. It just sort of exists right now, I want you to use your skills and really push yourself and the listener right to the limits. Because I feel like you could.

Posyden - Songfight rap always manages to be both goofy and really creepy.

Jordan Seavers - Your voice makes me think of all kinds of shit I used to listen to. A little Malkmus even in there. This has a great tone that lies between fun and melancholy. This is a really great songfight debut, and I'm really psyched to hear what else you've got.

Boltoph - You write this in a saloon? This is throbbing with twang. It's a bit freeform which in many ways I like, as it doesn't restrict what's going on, but it also seems in danger of rambling. Ah, here's a switch. Boltoph is good, great even.

Chuck Chuck Moose - This is like a really deflated early 90s grunge jam, it just doesn't have any wind in it. And the vocals are much sharper than anything else in it, which gives it this very awkward vibe.

Tall el Tardo - Gives a new meaning to the sentence "let's eat out" I guess. I like the faux-dub break in this. Both times.

obscurity - I don't know what I think about this. It's like, fake and weird sounding, but I also find that it makes something inside me feel a smidge warmer. It has some weird spirits in it.

Mime Cavity - Ha, glam fucking rock. Not much of this around these here parts. This reminds me of that one Makers album. But not taking itself seriously, so it's legit. I dig it in a big way. The reverby vocals and the howling and really just... this is really well-done and destroys itself and everyone in a fit of misanthropic chaos.

Melvin - Those are some flaccid electronic drums. But I guess that's not your fault. Your harmonies and stuff are good, but this riff isn't really grabbing me. I don't know, it's like all the Melvin elements are there and I've liked them better the first time I heard them and I'm ready to hear Melvin branch out into something new and sparkling.

[Egg]

Bearded Clam Duo - The scat fits right in with the mood on this which is some busy jazzy stuff. Interesting, but I'm glad it's short and sort of funny to keep me in... It sets a good mood, but it's not as successful as some of the fuller songs in the fight.

Boltoph - I like that big 1:22 change a ton. It moves me with the music. You are pretty cool when you sit down and do slower music like When it Snowed and this.

Cheap Bastards - Consider developping German accents and clapping less, but this is a cool electronic beat track. It's not too busy most of the time. I really would prefer some other beep or wirr or sizzle to replace those claps. Neato. I'm glad it didn't last a really long time.

Chuck Chuck Moose - I think that the vocals really pick up at 1:00ish and you should try to hit that mood shift earlier in the song when the guitar and drums first change. It can be fun for vocal mood to not match the instrumentation but it's also fun to get into it when there's such a big instrumental change. That synthy solo is interesting.. I like the fact that it stays in for the rest of the song without being too present after the solo.

Johnny in the Corner - While I'm tempted to just say, "this doesn't suck.", I think that would be terribly unhelpful...even though you use the definite article the in your band name and that probably means you double posted with the phunt phamily. Some people have no respect. This is really good. I like the listing which brings something of those jagged jpoint vocal stylings to the forefront in an otherwise very soothing song for a great effect and the chords are good enough to keep me in this and swaying. For some reason or another, it's much easier to follow the lyrics in this song than most Johnny efforts, but that might be true of all the in the corner submissions... I'll have to look into that. That light electric guitar at the startish and the bit of accoustic later on is extra nice too. /cry It's a little long for an active listen past the first time.

jordan seavers - Your song has been posted! It's been posted! Whoa, dude. You did this in a day? Uhh.. Uhh.. Have you met melvin? You guys should form a supergroup. Throw link in there too. (not because you sound the same but because you have similar musical goals and it would be badass).. if you can do this in a day, I can't wait to see what you do in 7. Christ.

melvin - melvin, this is good. the back up oohs might be clouding up your primary vocals right before the third minute... maybe that's just me. I think this halftime chorus sounds better than the last time you did this.. like it works more with the pacing of the rest of the song which seems a little weirder in general. This is good.

Mime Cavity - way to build the freak up. That freaking rocked. I don't really know what to say. haha, submit more. And next time, try just starting off all freaked out, please. Amazing.

obscurity - cool tense beginnings. The midi horns aren't nearly as .. umm.. gripping? as the other instrumental elements. They sort of sound goofy. The dramatic vocal treatment is also a bit goofier than those edge of my seat instruments. Interesting mood though.

Phunt Caravan Ray - Infinitely honored by how much this rocks. Thanks a ton. I hope you use the word Phunt more often. The vocals are gritty and I'm glad they are. You are a dirty, gritty man. This is groovy. I hope freddielove hears it. I like that break and return too. Thanks again, man! What an excellent treatment to the original theme and Freddielove himself.

The Phunt Phamily - That is raucous. It sounds like Animal from the muppets is playing at the beginning of the song (or not playing). EAT DRUM EAT DRUM. yes. My recorder rocks. That transition is so beautiful. I hope everybody uses the word Phunt more often. We all need love.

untitled? - Posyden - Vocal recording isn't on the same playing field as the instrumentation. Those synth strings sounded so sharp and then your voice sounds thick and goopy by comparison. But the rhythm works.. the song could benefit from more building up and less repetition. Ya, the disparity between the vocals and instrumentation is pretty huge. The instruments sound like they're being played in a big arena and your voice is recorded in a small room.

Raised by Wolves - OOh, I love the beginning of this. Magnetic Fields type of minimalism going on with very small marimba? and some low emotion vocals. And it's about love so that enforces the relationship to MF too. wow, haha, that harpsichord sure comes in hard. Nice. I wish the vocals were just a little warmer I think. But way to go. Ooh, that bouncy midi now is just perfect. Ahhhh, this is RxW. No wonder it's awesome. I like this a lot but wish the vocal recording was a bit different.

Retardos Burritos Hermanos - haha

Rone Rivendale - Oh for the love of .. you say you know that your music is lacking. So I don't know what to say in a helpful review. Do you know that your lyrics are lacking too? This sort of imagery-free expositionary monologue is uninteresting and the attempt to flow with the rhythm you've created is incredibly artificial and defeats the very purpose of flow. Stop and think about this. Also, rather than replying in the thread at large, please PM me with the response you inevitably have to every review ever. Nobody needs to reread that you wrote better music but scrapped it to fit these really hammered out vocals in correctly. I have to assume on some level that this is a joke and you are a comedic genius who is playing a twisted game with us.

Ryan Rickenbach - Okay, you have crisp recording and a strong enough voice to not need to double it from the beginning, but it's always hard to know which way actually sounds better just hearing one. You probably considered a single vocal track. Maybe what's bugging me is that they're separated so much in the panning, but that's kind of cool as it's creating this dualism and you hype that difference up a little more with the back up vocals and the slow start on left side. okay, this is cool. It's one of my favorite Rickenbach tracks. Wait, RYAN? That's my name! I must've submitted three songs to this fight. Shit.

Tall el Tardo - Two spanish bands?! I object, sir!!! This is a cool track. The answering machine message plays really well with the slow soft thing.. and then this quasi-carribean voice comes in and it's pretty cool individually but it might have worked better if some element of that had appeared before in the song. But then again, it sounds fine so don't fret. That voicemail or whatever is really weird and quirky and that's good. That chorus didn't need to come back again, but eh. The song is kind of too repetitive for me at this point, but it's over so good job. Try to recreate the voicemail in Japanese. Japanese answering machine messages are super creepy.

[Fistula]

Tall El Tardo</b> ++
[spokenreggaelounge]
Is that valleyguy monolog found audio or was it recorded for the fight?

That was recorded over the phone just for the fight.

[Egg]

That was recorded over the phone just for the fight.

bonus points

It was funny.

[obscurity]

It's lame to whine about reviews, and lamer still to attempt to defend your song. I know this. So I've been biting my tongue and sitting on my hands. But I can't take it any more. I'm afraid I'm just going to have to be lame. Sorry.

Those 'synth horns' are not synthetic at all. They're sampled. And not just from some tatty old trumpet found lying by the side of the road that's been recorded with a crappy built-in computer mic, either - these come from the Vienna Symphonic Library. If you've never heard of the VSL, you can either google it or just take my word that no one has ever gone to greater lengths to accurately record an instrument. If they sound too synthetic to you, then your ears are defective. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but there it is. 'Casio to the max' my arse.

Also, please, there's no need to tell me to sing higher. I know that most people don't like how I sing. I accept it. I mean, I'm resigned to it. But, please folks, do you have any idea how frustrating it gets to get the same damn criticism on every single bloody song I've ever fucking recorded? Don't you think that at some point along the way I may have already given the criticism a lot of thought? That at some point in my life I might just possibly have already tried singing higher? I mean, really, not even the once, while drunk, just for a laugh? Of course I've fucking tried it.

I sing the way I do because I don't like the way my voice sounds if I try to sing higher, and recording vocals that I don't like just because I think other people might like them more would be, to use a cliche, compromising my artistic integrity. It'd be nothing more than artless hackery, valuing popularity over what I think is best for the song. It'd be fucking vote-whoring, and I'd be no better than the latest boyband recycling old songs with whatever drum loop is trendy this week. Is that what you folks want from me? Here, here's my fucking soul. Take it. Happy now? Now please, can't we just accept the fact that, for most people, my voice sucks, and just move on?

OK, so I got a little carried away with that second point. And I realise that I'm being unfair. It's not like it's always the same person making the same criticism, it's different people each time, and it's people who have no reason to know that I've heard the same thing a thousand times already. And let's face it, it's a fair criticism. It's a perfectly valid reason for not liking a song, and honestly expressing why you don't like something is about as fair and reasonable a criticism as you can hope to get. And in the face of that, all my whining about it above is shown as just that - pointless whining.

But damn, I needed to vent. And you people who think the horns sound too synthetic are still fucking deaf.

[Egg]

[venting]

My bad. But I still think the horns sound a little bouncy compared to how thin and tense the other instruments are. Ya know? And I don't mind your voice being low... your delivery isn't the part that makes the deal seem a bit dramatic. Your lyrics make it dramatic... yar? But ya, interesting entry!

[Mal]

Rone:

I have this problem where I make music that's complex but then the lyrics don't fit, so I end up simplifying the music to make it fit.

Instead of changing the music, change the lyrics.

Your song starts by trying to force the words into iambic tetrametre (weak-STRONG weak-STRONG weak-STRONG weak-STRONG) and then changes to trochaic tetrametre (STRONG-weak STRONG-weak STRONG-weak STRONG-weak) and then goes back to the iambic tetrametre, and when you come to a foot that doesn't fit the imposed metre, you stumble over it.

Try writing in a more conversational style and let the metre tend to itself. You might even try the old French method of counting syllables instead of counting feet. And if something doesn't fit the music, try changing the way in which you deliver the lyric, or change the offending lyric itself.

[jseavers05]

obscurity...
so like... i never said your song sucked... i never said your singing sucked... and yes i guess im deaf cause i still think that the horns and obo still sounds synthy... anyways... some dude told me my vocals werent whiney enought... and i hate whiney emo vocals so i dont want them in my song... im gonna keep recording my singing the way i like it recorded and not how Betty down the street does... im sure you do the same when you record your own songs.. anyways, earlier i said i thought you did a good job on your song cause you really did... theres always listener suggestions on how they might think the song might be better... you gotta understand that these suggestions are made without hearing the song with the suggested changes. at the end, mabye your song does rock a lot better without singing in a different octive, or whatever. anyways, though its not my favorite... still i thought you did a lot better than some other stuff ive heard on songfight. again, good job.

[jb]

Complete sentences, capitalization, and punctuation are your friends.

JB
"Song Fight's Official Jordan Seavers Baiter"

[Caravan Ray]

Reviews Revisited:

After listening to some of these again a few adjustments are needed:

RETARDOS BURRITOS HERMANOS: I'm afraid I'll have to reneg on my original vote commitment. It does start off gangbusters and voteworthy (all that random percussion and foreign singing sounds like Caravan Ray at his best ) - but doesn't really deliver over the course of the whole song. My original review suffered from "this is the last in a long list of songs and the first 30 seconds sounds cool so I'm gonna vote for it" syndrome

RONE and POSYDEN: You both seem to suffer from the same problem for me. It sounds like you're just standing there reading a nice rhyme you've just written into a microphone. You need to deliver it more. Add some dramatics, some light and shade. I don't really know much about rap really - but when I listen to stuff like Public Enemy or the Beastie Boys - the vocals make you sit up and take notice.

So - on a re-count, my vote will revert to either Boltoph or Jordan Seavers

[j$]

So - on a re-count, my vote will revert to either Boltoph or Jordan Seavers

And there's the reality of your 'artistic' pretensions revealed....

You have at least one more review to revisit, unless you are claiming Jack and I are the same person. Until you do, you remain unworthy.


j$

[jack]

he edited his reviews johnny. the andrew lloyd webber comment made me giggle

[Caravan Ray]

And there's the reality of your 'artistic' pretensions revealed....
j$

Yes - thanks for all your help J$. The therapy worked wonders.

I'm going to have "I must not musify my post-adolescent Sylvia Plath essays" made into a sticker...and put it on my oven.

[rone rivendale]

Ray
I think you'll enjoy the dramatics to my The Red Door song. At least I hope so.

Egg I have this feeling that you don't like me. lol

[j$]

he edited his reviews johnny. the andrew lloyd webber comment made me giggle

Inaccurate comparisions aside, I apologise for my second sentence in the previous post. I didn't see the edit. Thank you for reviewing. I still stand by the first.

j$

[HANK.]

So smart.

[Meatwad]

he edited his reviews johnny. the andrew lloyd webber comment made me giggle

Inaccurate comparisions aside, I apologise for my second sentence in the previous post. I didn't see the edit. Thank you for reviewing. I still stand by the first.

j$

Puppies

[lesChaps]

It's lame to whine about reviews, and lamer still to attempt to defend your song. I know this.

But then you did, anyway.

[lesChaps]

It's lame to whine about reviews, and lamer still to attempt to defend your song. I know this.

However, the great thing is, as a kind-of non-offical-combatant, I was not going to listen to this songfight, but your rant convinced my I should.

Yay, you.

You Also, because I started with you song, I have to say, that's really great. Although I wanted the horns to be a bit quieter in a couple spots, I mostly just wanted you to pull out the Klaus Nomi voice. But that wasn't the joke, was it? My favorite part of your song is that last stray note. Honk! You actually could go places with this. You might need uniforms and stuff. Klownhole's keyboardist (HI JASON!) would totally love this.

Beard Clown Pao Hooray. Correct length for this. I'm guessing you have the correct attitudes as a group.

Boltoph - I'm confused. Sounds like too much effort for my patience, and needs a bit more mixing. I like the vocals for this, I would consider pulling some of the harmony bits back in the mix (or out for bits). Like the ending gag. Hooray.

Cheap Bastards - There's more mixing needed in parts here, but I dont' care so much about that. Good length, because I started to wonder if it was going anywhere. But ending it is somewhere, and that was just fine. Worked, I think, for a song I would otherwise not go for.

Chuck Chuck Moose - Wow, finally someone has the vocals up front in the mix. Verse-ish bits made me thing radiohead, chorus made me think Barenaked Ladies, bridge/keyboard/soloshit made me think "um, no thanks I am full now." I kiss you good. I get that as a cute joke. Hope you meant it.

Johnny in the CornerJohnny in the CornerJohnny in the Corner I get the Beatles thing, I just don't care much. Clever, though. A clever lyric in there. Correct length. I'm interested in the fact that so far 3/4 of these songs would be easily improved with some more time mixing. That's a good sign. I hate the talking parts at the end. I subscribed to the "Whispering about things you're pissed about doesn't sound as great as screaming your crazy head off about something you don't actually care about" Whatever that entails. Yell more.

Jordan Seavers - You are clever. This is a very subjective fight, really. I like all sorts of bits here ... jokey clever bits, pop deconstructionismisticy.

mevlin - Anyway, but so then you have a clever song. You work harder on this stuff than I could, which disqualifies me from having much of an opinion in some ways. Clever, poppy, good guitar sound.

Mime Cavity - I don't think the joke is appreciated, but that's fine. No action on the pole.

obscurity hey it's that guy again. Hooray again. I hope you mean to be ironic and funny in a way. That would make it more funner.

Phunt Caravan Ray Needs more mixin. I'm all happy with this in a couple of ways. Kind of a funk. I'm also getting more drunk, more tired. That usually goes the other way, but for here I'm willing to smile and say okay hooray for that, if the joke is fully embraced.

Phunt F+amily - Refer to Mime Cavity for how to do this particular kind of thing.

Posyden Fails for me across the board, I guess. I have to assume I'm missing something here and am just going with the "not my kind of thing" cop-out, but I suspect that even if I liked this kind of thing, I'd want some aggression to go with the F-word.

I'm too tired to go on right now.

Obscurity ... again. my only advice would be to take criticism here with a grain of salt. Arguing over the merits of your work with people that don't like it is tiring and unrewarding. Screw them. Insulate yourself with yes-men-and-women and fawning sycophants.[/b]

Rone Rivendale Um. Sounds white. Put some passion in it, maybe, or else if you want to go with the ironic thing, put too much passion in it. Or a robot voice.

Ryan Rickenbach - something about Richenbacher basses. I liked one harmonic vocal bit but other doubled vocals are less effective....

Tall El Tardo The laugh after "fuck me in the kitchen" is going to stay with me.

"Where'd he touch you, son?"

"In the kitchen..."

Two words come to mind. "Mayotard," Klownhole's official condiment.

And some other word I forgot. If I wasn't determined to vote for Mime Kitchen (whatever), this might get it for that laugh. And the ska man vocals, but that might be talking about Lindvahl today that makes me think that.