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Carpetburn wrote:
Jim of Seattle wrote: Rone Rovendale
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Two Out of Three

Young guy + GarageBand + Rapping = These songs
way to dismiss a genre
Yeah, well like I said, it was my third try at getting reviews out without accidentally deleting them. Even after 6 or so listens I could still barely tell those three songs apart.
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So I haven't reviewed in a long time mostly cuz I've been busy over the last few months working. I thought I'd give grades according to songwriting, production, how it relates to the title and whether I liked it or not.

a-log
SW - this isn't much of a song from my perspective just loops going on an on and not in a very creative way. It does emulate the title in it's musical approach, but sounds more like a piece than a song IMO. - Zero
P - It's alright I guess if the loops weren't so compressed and they were originally recorded at a higher bit rate. Very rave, but not good enough to constitute a good rave song. It all seems too easy from a production standpoint. - two
HIRTTT - It does relate on some level as it gives the listener a sneak peak into your idea of the title, but doesn't really go far enough sonically, musically, or lyrically to get the title across to me. - two
WILION - thumbs down. way down.

Asperse
SW - I do kind of think this is a song although many might believe that it is more of an art piece. There are some lyrical moments that translate, for me, into a song, but then you repeat the title which in my mind belittles the idea that you may have been going for. Should of stuck, IMO, to the musical suggestions for the title. - three
P - The production is excellent and is reminiscent of Einsterzeinde Neubauten. A little noise-floory but I forgive it. I enjoyed the droning sounds and all the eclectic sounds that have been manifested from your voice. I especially enjoyed the panning at points with the voice and the sampled, delayed vocals that work over each other especially by the end. Reminds me of a trippy rendition of "This is a test and only a test. Do not adjust your television..." - 7
HIRTTT - It does. Repeating the title does not make it very poetic, but I can appreciate the repetitive nature of the title being repeated in the various meandering, chordal ways. - 5
WILION - It's ok as a song/piece, but I wouldn't listen to it unless I was really fuckin' stoned and wanted my torso to be removed.

Carpetburn
SW - There are a lot of hooks that I can appreciate in this song and so far is the first song I've heard. I love the rhythms in their translation of the title. My biggest beef is the use of the title. I found in this fight a lot of people felt the need to incorporate the title in the chorus hook and that seemed too obvious to me. Still I like the songwriting. - 7
Production - The stops and starts are really cool with the midi drum programming. The pitchiness is a little wonky but give a characteristic to the song. The guitar's out of tune especially in the solo and not in a good way. There is also a 50Hz ground hum occuring in the tune. There are plugins to eradicate this buzz. It could be the guitars. - 6
HIRTTT - I thought it did alright getting inside my head for the title. The stops and starts made the fluidity of the title, IMO, more in character to the title because I feel that a title like this needs variety. - 6
WILION - It was alright. Not my fave but a great attempt at the title.

CR410
SW - There are some GREAT rap moments in this tune. Intelligent writings without the gangsta. I love the professor, eq'd voice stating the title. That was cool. The music doesn't vary much and what I would have loved is a couple of stops and starts. The chorussy section is well done. Very hooky and the groove is grabbing me. - 8
Production - A little rev on the voice with the music would have made things seemed in the same space. 2.5 to keep it alive. The Khz boost of EQ on the master buss that would have made things less woofy. - 6
HIRTTT - It does in it's way and I can dig it. I don't necessarily hear rap for this title, but you execute it well and for that you get an - 8
WILION - I'm not a fan of rap, so my bias doesn't really allow me to like it all that much.

draft
SW - I thought that the songwriting was alright for this tune, but I really wanted to stretch it out into another part at the end of the tune which would have really drawn it out but ran out of time. My favourite lyric is "And nebulous clouds singing songs...." which is where I wanted most of the lyrics to go. I googled the title and came up with this which was my motivation for the metaphoric relationship to the title.
P - I liked the production on this but wish I didn't over-modulate, ever so slightly, the vocals when I recorded them. I was too close in the verses to the mic. I love the work that TheHipCola and my man the c-monster added to the tune. Made a simple D chord song have a lot more energy. The tuning was DADF#AD on the guitar which gives a neat Eastern feel. I had to tweak drum hits as they were recorded to a click un-quantized. My new UAD plugin card was the real reason for trying to submit in this fight.
HIRTTT - I think it does in it's musical energy, but wanted to do more in the harmonies to make it more varied. These comments by reviewers are spot on. BTW, the two takes that TheHipCola implemented by the ebowed guitar had one take where the battery died and created a lot of fucked up tones which had to stay which was why the long ending.
WILION - I do. Wish I could have done more.

Eclectic spoons
SW - It's alright. Not much to write home about. - three
P - Kind of monotonous musically, but the EQ is alright in establishing proper space. - 4
HIRTT - It doesn't really relate to anything IMO but to just fucking around and submitting something to Songfight! for the sake of submitting. You must have something more in your arsenal of songwriting than this?! How does painting the front door for your wife relate to the title and that you don't know what it means?! It's just a space, cop-out wank - Zero
WILION - Nope.

Gavin
SW - At least there is an attempt at songwriting which I can appreciate and the wah solo definitely validates this from my perspective. - 8
P - A little too compressed on the master buss. A little rev to make the music work with the vocals. The pitchiness is a little bad in places. Wish there was a build in instrumentation especially in the wake of the song's length. Pop screens are cheap and will help soften those nasty consonants and the acoustic guitar seems like it's recorded direct in which I'm not a fan of. - 6
HIRTT - I can get the right side of it's correlation to the title. - 8
WILION - I don't mind it, but think you could have gotten in and out of it earlier and still got your message across. Better than most in this fight.

Heuristics Inc.
SW - Some thought went into the lyrics of this song and for that I appreciate it. I wish there was more variety in melody, but the music more than makes up for this. - 7
P - Excellent production. I especially liked the way the voice has a quality of occupying the same space as the music. The way the 606 type drum sounds give it that space age sound with the honky synths are great. That eeriness background keyboard sound is a nice offset and creates a darkness. - 9
HIRTT - It does cuz of the lyrics vs. music. - 8
WILION - I don't really like it although I can appreciate it for it's musical integrety there isn't a melody for me to really sink my teeth in.

Jerry Jerk Something
SW - Interesting take on the title. Hooky chorus makes me very happy and there is no alluding to the title in the chorus which makes it clever. Whereas a lot of fighters went for the cosmos you went for party favours. : ) - 9
P - Great seperation in this. I like the way the voice fits in the music. The piano bits are a nice touch. Excellent. Minor Beef: Fade out could have been better executed. - 9
HIRTTT - It does in it's comedic approach. - 9
WILION - Great production plus funny songwriting = I like alot.

Little Smokes
SW - "Like a sugar-cube sinks in your coffee and cream" is a great metaphor, IMO, for the title. The melody is great in concerns to the music. A good song. - 9
P - A little hot in the higher EQ, but for a collab this is excellent. The horns are just fantastic. Period. The backing vocals in the chorus really draw out a great 60's feel. I was especially impressed with the tightness of the low end and the drum fills. Nicely done on those points. - 9
HIRTT - It just does period. - 9
WILION - I liked it more with more listens and this is a definite great collaboration. Excellent job.

Near Global
SW - Short and sweet and to the point. I love the hook of the title in the re-cap - 7
P - Great tones of the distorted keyboard and the vocal gets into the same space as the music. The descending part at the end is great. I hear an edit or some clipping at :30. - 7
HIRTT - It does. The lyrics take it there. - 7
WILION - Not bad, but not one of the best here.

Pipfist
SW - Starting the tune with the title is kind of like when you see the titles for the first time and pick up your guitar and bash it out by singing the title over it. I think that you could have saved that for the next verse or something. The bridge is great, as are the slide moments in assimilating the title or is that the chorus?! - 8
P - The acoustic sounds are great and so is the sound of the slide. The vocals fit nicely in with the sounds, so I really liked the production of this tune. Good space and good seperation. The b/ups are great. - 9
HIRTTT - I'm not sure of the meaning of Samus Aran, but sounds good enough for this androgenous concept of your universe. - 6
WILION - I'd listen to this again.

Rone Riverdale
SW - It's ok in a spoken word kind of way I guess. The looping background doesn't give enough variety to constitute a well-written song. - 4
P - There is a buzz on the track which just bugs me. The looping is monotonous and not very creative. - 2
HIRTT - I guess it does in it's poetic license, but doesn't really work for me for the title musically. - 3
WILION - Not a chance.

Swindle Staccato
SW - Great work in ripping off J$. I find the translation quite funny. - zero
P - Excellent work on space and bottom end. I love the british parody. - 9
HIRTT - It does as does the original. - seven elephants and a pint of draught
WILION - I'm keeping this one. I laughed endlessly about this rendition.

Two Out of Three
SW - It's alright I guess. I think that CR410 did a better rap version for the title. The part for Aristotle was pretty cool. I find the repetition of the title it's undoing. - 5
P - It needs more silence in the spaces, but I love the keyboard pad in the repetition of the title in the pseudo-chorus. Good space for the voice to occupy in the music. Scratching is cool. - 7
HIRTTT - The rap is good in name-dropping and so forth, so this one does alright on that front. I just don't hear rap for this title. - 6
WILION - I did kind of like it, but I wouldn't listen to it again.

Zero Effect with Radio North and Maya
SW - I wish you had posted the lyrics. There are some great hooks for the title. The lo-fi pop core essence of the tune is great. - 9
P - The guitar is a little hot or doesn't go far back in the mix to match the voice or the little bits here and there. With a better mix this could be a really well produced song. The vocals could be a bit more present, but I don't mind the space that they occupy as it is the style you are going for. - 7
HIRTTT - It does alright. Could have been written for any title IMO, but as I just said it does alright. - 6
WILION - I do like it. A lot. Lots of tasty morsels.

Well I got to say I wasn't really too down with most of the tunes for this fight. I thought there was some cool stuff, but was pretty disappointed at the songwriting. Even my own. I thought the title really called for some creative takes on the title.

My favourites were Little Smokes, Jerry Jerk Something, Pipefist, Zero Effect et al and Heuristics Inc.

My vote will likely go to Jerry Jerk Something.

Bill Burley
SW - Great lyrics...... my favourite lyrics for the fight. - 10
P - A little hot in the High Mids and Highs. The vocals sound a little thin. I love the guitar tones as well as the keyboard section. The biggest production issue is in the mix or mastering. I find there not enough low end and too much crispy highs. - 7
HIRTTT - It does cuz the lyrics are fantastic. - 9
WILION - I do. If it had been added I may have voted for it. Needs better production however. The music and vocals are great!
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dude. 2:38 on A-Log
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I don't want to nitpick but I don't use GarageBand, I use FruityLoops and Goldwave to make my songs. Not that it changes JoS's dislike of rap, I just wanted to be a pain in the ass and correct it. :)
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tonetripper wrote:SW - I wish you had posted the lyrics. There are some great hooks for the title. The lo-fi pop core essence of the tune is great. - 9
Can't resist flattery, I posted them: http://www.songfight.net/forums/viewtop ... 6439#46439

Warning: they're pretty silly.
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Post by asperse »

[quote="Carpetburn"][ Is that human beatbox? I usually hate it when people try to beatbox but this is cool. There should be another 3 minutes of this at least with the sound of you dropping pens on the floor over it. And some reverbed vocal saying something like “I have been withered by my own stareâ€
"and the sky looked of crystal,
the stars an amber hue"

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Rone Rivendale wrote:I don't want to nitpick...
Oh yes you do! Oops, bit late for panto season.
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Tonetripper - I'm not sure of the meaning of Samus Aran, but sounds good enough for this androgenous concept of your universe.
Alright, I suppose I ought to explain the lyrics. When I saw the title, and started messing with it, I thought of a video game I've been playing. It's the newest game in the Metroid series, and it's all about dark and light themes. The character has beams that are dark and light, so I guess that's where I was coming from there. Samus Aran is the name of the main character, who is often referred to as a man. In fact, there was apparently some big hulaballoo back when the first game came out for the NES, because at the end of the game, you find out that this person who is in this awesome powerful suit is actually a woman. So uh, I guess that's about it.[/b]
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Andy Balham wrote:"Some may say I couldn't sing, but none may say I didn't sing" - Florence Foster Jenkins
Holy crap, that's a good quote. I looked up the Wikipedia article on Florence Foster Jenkins.. it can't be real. This is some kind of joke that you and the person who wrote that article are in on together, right?
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who brought the rock?

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I don't think I'm going to actually review this whole fight.. just wanted to state that I came to listen with the hopes that somebody would take the spacey title as the excuse to pull off some Moving-Pictures-era-RUSH-style prog-ass hard rock. And unless there is some buried in one of the songs that I didn't listen to all the way through, there ain't none to be had.

Vote goes to Zero Effect.
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[quote="jeff robertson]I looked up the CENSORED article on Florence Foster Jenkins.. it can't be real. This is some kind of joke that you and the person who wrote that article are in on together, right?[/quote]

Nope. She was real enough. People would pack in to see her performances and cover their tears laughter with raucous applause. I feel a deep affinity with Florence.
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Jim of Seattle wrote:
Carpetburn wrote:
Jim of Seattle wrote: Rone Rovendale
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Two Out of Three

Young guy + GarageBand + Rapping = These songs
way to dismiss a genre
Yeah, well like I said, it was my third try at getting reviews out without accidentally deleting them. Even after 6 or so listens I could still barely tell those three songs apart.
Wait, so you honestly can't hear a difference between Rone and Two Out of Three? What? That doesn't make any sense.
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a bebop a rebop wrote:
Jim of Seattle wrote:Even after 6 or so listens I could still barely tell those three songs apart.
Wait, so you honestly can't hear a difference between Rone and Two Out of Three? What? That doesn't make any sense.
Uhhh...I couldn't distinguish much of a difference either. And I like rap, rock, wacked out stuff, classical, jazz, and more. But then again, I still sort of think that Swindle Staccato is the same person as J$. And I also think most R&B sounds all the same. BeBop, too. But that's just me.

And let me point out that Phunt embeds intelligent, emotional, and almost intellectual theme in their compositions. "Roning" is definitely not the same as "Phunting". Not in the torn pages of my book, at least.

And in the world of free musical software, Audacity blows Goldwave away. Before I knew about Audacity, I used Goldwave and my dad's PC last year for one SF song while I was moving. Goldwave sucks! Get Audacity.

Also, is there a genre of music called "Half-Assed"? Oh wait...it's a sub-genre of "Bad Music". We've discussed this.
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boltoph wrote:Get Audacity.
And if you are a computer nerd, improve Audacity. Write your own plug-ins and share them. (I've got a couple if anyone's interested, but they suck)
boltoph wrote:Also, is there a genre of music called "Half-Assed"? I think it'd be slightly different than "Bad Music".
Me, I've always wanted a name for music that uses only equipment that can be purchased at Wal-Mart.
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jeff robertson wrote:Me, I've always wanted a name for music that uses only equipment that can be purchased at Wal-Mart.
I think it's called a "Hack Job".

I'm more of a blue collar, trash talking bastard, so I had no idea you can write your own plugins in Audacity (that's really great) I just remember Southwest Statistic or Puce (two guys who have some great production skills) saying it was good, so I checked it out and it rocks.
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boltoph wrote:I'm more of a blue collar, trash talking bastard, so I had no idea you can write your own plugins in Audacity (that's really great)
Not only that, you can fire up the "Nyquist prompt" and directly type commands to do stuff that could never fit on a finite-sized menu, in the same programming language that's used for plugings. It's like popping open a "DOS prompt" on Windows or a terminal window on Linux or whatever the Mac equivalent is, and getting geeky with it.
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Rone Rivendale wrote:I don't want to nitpick but I don't use GarageBand, I use FruityLoops and Goldwave to make my songs. Not that it changes JoS's dislike of rap, I just wanted to be a pain in the ass and correct it. :)
I don't dislike rap. But I do dislike the rap songs in this fight. I suspect rapping is much harder to do well than it sounds. If I tried to rap, it would also be not so good, most certainly.
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Or, you can open your guitar case, it has a string based prompt that allows you to input notes right through an amp!
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PipeFist wrote:
Tonetripper - I'm not sure of the meaning of Samus Aran, but sounds good enough for this androgenous concept of your universe.
Alright, I suppose I ought to explain the lyrics. When I saw the title, and started messing with it, I thought of a video game I've been playing. It's the newest game in the Metroid series, and it's all about dark and light themes. The character has beams that are dark and light, so I guess that's where I was coming from there. Samus Aran is the name of the main character, who is often referred to as a man. In fact, there was apparently some big hulaballoo back when the first game came out for the NES, because at the end of the game, you find out that this person who is in this awesome powerful suit is actually a woman. So uh, I guess that's about it.[/b]
I thought you were singing "Sam the Saran", like it was a song sung by a roll of plastic wrap.
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boltoph wrote: And let me point out that Phunt embeds intelligent, emotional, and almost intellectual theme in their compositions. "Roning" is definitely not the same as "Phunting". Not in the torn pages of my book, at least.
good point, I hope my post didn't imply that. Roning is more like the voicebox effect where no matter how much emotion you try and put into it it comes out flat and sterile. I'd love to hear Rone scream into the mic just to know what it would sound like.

I miss phunt :cry: :twisted:

[edit] I mean, I phunting miss Phunt
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I thought you were singing "Sam the Saran", like it was a song sung by a roll of plastic wrap.
Oh man, that's totally what we should've written about. Everybody understands Saran Wrap.[/quote]
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Heuristics Inc. - Very robotic. I don't care for that drumbeat, it's very vague as to where "one" lies. I'm not sure if this would have ruined that robotic effect, but I could have used a whole lot more variety in the vocal line, and in everything else, I think. It pretty much sits there on the same two chords over and over, though I do like when you take it down to just the bassline. The noises at the end didn't do it for me.

Carpetburn - Nice little opening, I love what you do with your guitars. This is good lyrically as well, the connection to the title doesn't feel so strained as with some of the other songs in this fight, and it comes together nicely. Nice little break at 1:15, nice wailing guitars around 2:09. This song feels cozy and lazy and a little forlorn, I like it a lot. (By the way, this is furrypedro, isn't it?)

Draft - Like that opening, and nice entry on the vocals. This song feels like it's seething, about to explode, probably that one unsettling chord, I really like that. Alright, you built up some there. Hopefully it'll go bigger next time. Whatever that thing is that's wiggling around in the background, I like it. This is a good place to go at 3:45. Love the vocals, they're sung really well without being cheesy, you have a little bit of stumbling around drunk in there. (There's a minute of silence at the end... why?) Anyway, the song never really exploded but I really like this one anyway.

cr410 - This is funny, but not really sticking with me. Solid music but I don't really like the lo-fi vocals vs. the music.

Asperse - Your sound collage: interesting, but ultimately, doesn't do anything at all for me. The beatboxing is nice and subtle though, I like it.

Near Global - This is goofy and cheesy.

Swindle Staccato - I mean, I know you stole the lyrics whole-cloth, and so you're a bunch of hacks, but as a song, it's gonna be hard for Cashpoint and the gang to top this. I probably wouldn't love that cheesy voice wheedling around on its own, but on top of everything else, it works really well. And the rapping vs. singing bit at the end is great.

Two Out of Three - A brief history of time. This is pretty neat. Pretty clever, too. You have some nice white-boy flow, it works really well. And I like that pad hanging around in the background of the chorus, it gives you some space.

Eclectic Spoons - This is goofy and completely arhythmic.

Gavin - Those little hairpin decrescendos and crescendos in the rhythm guitar are really strange, like you're moving your guitar away from the mike. The wah-wah solo is pretty cool but it feels kinda strange coming in almost directly at the beginning. Plus, you're soloing on the blues scale, which is kinda strange against that mostly-major chord progression. Stop missing your pitches in the vocals, please. The rhythm guitar is probably too loud, it's really annoying. Lyrics are pretty decent sometimes (I like "lost it in the crowd" and "if only we could see what was in between, our illusions would be shattered"). But seriously, that rhythm guitar is really annoying. No joke.

Jerry Jurkowiscz - That's an annoying name to type. Also, I'm glad you explained the song for me, because otherwise I might have thought it was stupid. Sounds nice, I guess, I don't know why you'd waste this music on these lyrics. Nice singing and playing and music, anyway. It's just too retarded to vote for. It's mixed really quiet too.

The Zero Effect - Solid lo-fi pop. I don't really like how your voice is floating around on the long notes. Nice song structure though.

Rone Rivendale - (Where does your name come from? I've been wanting to ask for a while.) First of all, your loop doesn't fit together properly, there are little rhythmic hitches every few seconds. Your singing doesn't really hit any particular pitches. Good roning though.

A-Log - Your loops don't fit together at all, and I'm sure it's not on purpose. This renders the song completely unlistenable for me. However, I did listen to it, to discover that you looped the same exact thing for over 2 minutes in a row.

The Little Smokes + Steve Durand - I was really worried when I listened to your song the first time, because I thought Swindle Staccato had done a better job with the same lyrics. Their's is definitely catchier, but this one is great too. I like the lushness of the production, and the almost-androgynous vocals. Nice trumpet accents too. Doesn't seem to go too far musically, but I like where it is, it doesn't have to go anywhere. Nice solid song.

My favorites were draft, The Little Smokes, Swindle Staccato (nice lyrics, the both of you), and Carpetburn... probably gonna vote for draft.
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