Homosexuality Flame War

[erik]

I'd be embarassed if dude said all that he said and no one said anything at all.

[Caravan Ray]

No, no Mr Ray that I know of - but I do have a very special relationship with Tex Beaumont

[Duncan, of Level Nivelo]

Weirdly, <a href="http://www.villagevoice.com/people/0620 ... html">this column</a> was in the village voice this week, all about how hetero guys are enjoying being on the recieving end of anal sex (from their girlfriends, with strap-ons). Pictures in column not safe for work (but mainly just boobs).

[HeuristicsInc]

But if it wreen't for this thread I wouldn't know about Niv's heritage.

yeah, funny thing, i was wondering about that the other day for some reason. so yeah, it was worth reading
-bill

[tonetripper]

Just one thing to consider..... before we all walk out of the womb we are all female. Then we change to male part way through the growth and not the other way around. Just sayin' is all.

[Crates]

This is not about Crates' opinions as to being gay or anal sex (two seperate issues), this is about his use of homophobic language as a way to denegrate someone who has done nothing but make songs that he wants to make.

Let's clear this whole homophobe bullshit up right now: nobody's afraid of you because you are queer. Sucking dick doesn't give you some magic fucking powers that cause straight men to flee in terror.

If someone insults you for being a homo, it's not because they have any fear of you-- it's because you stand for everything the common man abhors. Where the average joe looks forward to nothing more than a hot set of tits to sit next to him on the couch while he drinks Molson Triple X and watches the Superbowl, you guys run off to the dance club to play grab ass in leather chaps, giggling like a schoolgirl with a lisp while drinking Zima out of a fucking GLASS.

That doesn't mean I wouldn't have been your friend had we met in real life, just because you were queer -- I wouldn't have been your friend in real life because you're the kind of douchebag who is always looking for your next personal jihad. Johnny, my man, you can have your little temper tantrum all you want, and leave your "Crates is a homophobic asshole" comments as many times as you need to. I'm not going to apologize for my opinions. The best you can hope for is to find consolation in the strong, loving arms of your homo boyfriend while you cry it all out.

I agree that the issue is largely being ignored. But you have yet to post an explanation of exactly what about the song was "FLAMING" or 100% "FAG".

No explanation required. I listened to the song, it was flambouyantly queer.

what the heck are you talking about? who is preaching hate and ignorance, other than crates, who gets an entire 5 page thread - properly moved out of the reviews! - dedicated to telling him what a piece of shit he is.

Don't contradict yourself, blue. We wouldn't be here if I was the only person arguing. The fact is, I don't have hate for anybody based on their race, religion or sexual preferences, even if I hate some qualities about them -- but what this is really about is a couple of homosexual SongFighters taking this as their opportunity to validate their choices in front of the "community" at large.

Guess what? All your Internet "friends" accept you for who you are, congratulations. I'm not going to pretend that I like you, but then again, I've been saying all along that I'm not your friend.

Be gay. Have a blast. I don't have to like you.

How would it look to potential new fighters if we as a community let such moron-talk pass by unchallenged? Crates expressed his opinion, and a huge number of songfighters turned up to show, for the most part, they disagreed.

Welcome to the free world, you sanctimonious, hypocritical cocksucker. Don't cry like a little bitch when you don't like someone else's opinions, and then try and defend your own right to mouth off like a douchebag in the same goddamn paragraph.

let's just say it's an embarrassment to the community at large to anyone that visits here for the first time. it certainly doesn't represent what most people on songfight are about.

You embarrass yourselves by reacting as much as you have. If I'm really some petty dick who isn't worth your time, you wouldn't be here right now. Your community isn't in jeopardy because of one opinionated person, and SongFight isn't about to crumble because of Crates. You're just getting a taste of someone who isn't interested in pleasantries or pretending that he has something in common with you.

You're certainly welcome to go back to licking each other's assholes in the corner and ignore me all you like. I'm still going to submit music, I'm still going to review songs as I see fit, and I'm still going to respond to shit that strikes me the wrong way.

Deal with it.

[catch]

i dont care nyah nyah nyah

Listen. Your review may have been shocking at first, but these hour-long posts are proving you to be more and more one dimensional. We get it - you hate people who don't think just like you and you don't care what anybody thinks (which makes a whole lot of sense spelled out, doesn't it?). Song Fight is bored.

And whether or not you care (which I'm sure you don't!), this stuff is harming the community. Don't suppose to be so in tune with a community you're clearly at odds with.

Everyone needs to give this a rest before any serious damage is done. Don't abuse the privilege of being able to speak freely by spewing such nonsense.

[Kweep]

from dictionary.com

ho·mo·pho·bi·a
1. Fear of or contempt for lesbians and gay men.
2. Behavior based on such a feeling.

crates, you are, in fact, homophobic. you are, in fact, intollerant. you are, in fact, hurting this community with your vile and useless spewing of hate (which you benignly term 'opinion').

You embarrass yourselves by reacting as much as you have. If I'm really some petty dick who isn't worth your time, you wouldn't be here right now.

abuse based on race, sex, religion, sexual preference, etc. cannot and should not be tollerated anywhere. YOU personally are not worth my time... but, addressing this uninformed rant is.

[Eric Y.]

Where the average joe looks forward to nothing more than a hot set of tits to sit next to him on the couch while he drinks Molson Triple X and watches the Superbowl, you guys run off to the dance club to play grab ass in leather chaps, giggling like a schoolgirl with a lisp while drinking Zima out of a fucking GLASS.

your stereotypical descriptions of straight vs. gay dudes are about equally accurate. i'm really hoping you realize how much of an idiot you make yourself look like every time you say anything.

[Bjam]

Don't spout out BS about sterotypes.

[Henrietta]

If this was a free world, gays would be able to settle down and get married in the USA same as you.... or even hold hands walking down the street without attracting attention, same as you. Unfortunately it's not a free world, nor a particularly tolerant one.... which is why homophobia is so particularly damaging, even on an internet messageboard. I hope you can recognize this someday, Mr. Crates.

[erik]

I'm not going to apologize for my opinions.

Can you apologize for saying that you were going to keep your opinions to yourself, and then doing the exact opposite?

Obviously SongFight highly values its homosexual user base-- and not without cause, as it's clearly abundant. For that reason, I'll keep my contentions about the gayness of any particular artist to myself; not so much that I give a flying fuckstick about how many people are offended, but moreso because all these whiny bitches are giving me a headache.

(emphasis added)

You said you were going to keep your opinions to yourself. Could you please do that? Not because you have to, but because you said you would.

[fodroy]

Where the average joe looks forward to nothing more than a hot set of tits to sit next to him on the couch while he drinks Molson Triple X and watches the Superbowl, you guys run off to the dance club to play grab ass in leather chaps, giggling like a schoolgirl with a lisp while drinking Zima out of a fucking GLASS.

your stereotypical descriptions of straight vs. gay dudes are about equally accurate. i'm really hoping you realize how much of an idiot you make yourself look like every time you say anything.

yeah, i pretty much went "uhhhhh..." when i read that. but then, he's comparing gay guys to "average joes." i wonder what his stereotype of a straight atypical joe would be (yes, i see the irony in stereotyping an atypical joe).

crates, instead of drinking molson triple x at the next superbowl, how about trying a mixed drink? i'd suggest rum and arsenic. actually, you don't even have to wait for the next superbowl. *

also here is a trophy for crates.

*kidding, and i'm only putting this here in case he's actually dumb enough to do it...which isn't really a stretch.

[j$]

Welcome to the free world, you sanctimonious, hypocritical cocksucker. Don't cry like a little bitch when you don't like someone else's opinions, and then try and defend your own right to mouth off like a douchebag in the same goddamn paragraph.

Come back and talk when you can read what i've written rather than what you want to see to support your weak arguments.

Loser.

[erik]

If I'm really some petty dick who isn't worth your time, you wouldn't be here right now.

To everyone who keeps adding comments to this thread intended for Crates to read, please ask yourself the following questions before posting again:

1) Are you saying something that hasn't already been said before?
2) Is what you're saying going to change the opininions of the intended audience?
3) Is what you're saying going to inflate the ego of someone who is misguided enough already about the importance of his thoughts and ideas?

If you find yourself answering "no, no, yes" then just don't add anything to this thread. It's pointless at this point. I hope that I'm the last person to add to this thread.

Everyone find a thread you like, and add to that thread instead, so that this one gets bumped down and forgotten.

[fodroy]

3) Is what you're saying going to inflate the ego of someone who is misguided enough already about the importance of his thoughts and ideas?

his ego is already beyond repair. telling us to stop before it gets bigger is like telling us to stop pouring cups of water on an already flooded house.

[WeaselSlayer]

Which is why I've invented cups of dryness.

[fodroy]

have you ever read cat's cradle? because that totally made me think of ice-nine.

[a bebop a rebop]

He went on a three-month long personal journey and came to the realization that he pretty much wants tits, beer and football. That's cool, I guess.

[WeaselSlayer]

I loooove Cat's Cradle. And hate football.

[blue]

i love beer, tits, football, homos, and erik.

[boltoph]

i love beer, tits, football, homos, and erik.

You forgot to mention, a "nice, tight, round ass".

Now that, is something that I'd think, 2-4-6-8, we can all appreciate! 8)