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Furrypedro wrote:
blue wrote:
Furrypedro wrote:My point is, writing good music is too complicated for blanket comments like 'Repeat, repeat, repeat'.
good music and good (pop) songs don't have much to do with each other. :D
fuck off back to Pop Fight! then :D
You Tease! There is no pop fight! :oops:
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WesDavis wrote:Repetition IS fairly awesome and Blue reminded me of that. I don't think it's always necessary to have a perfectly repeating chorus, but like you say, it needs to at least follow a common theme or something. But having a hook is very important. I guess, in general, bridges are for saying something different. Hell, of all the songs I've written in the last few months, the one everyone loves the most when I play live is the one with the most repetitive chorus.
Not sure if i'm playing devil advocate here.. but consider this. While your lyrics are changing on your chorus... I found it very catchy, hooky and repeative based on your use of the same repeating rhythm and vocal line during that part. Anyway, I get the others points too but repetition can work on multiple levels.
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blue wrote:This is pretty damned terrible
Blue's Back! :shock: Goodbye self-confidence.
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Eidolon wrote:
WesDavis wrote:Repetition IS fairly awesome and Blue reminded me of that. I don't think it's always necessary to have a perfectly repeating chorus, but like you say, it needs to at least follow a common theme or something. But having a hook is very important. I guess, in general, bridges are for saying something different. Hell, of all the songs I've written in the last few months, the one everyone loves the most when I play live is the one with the most repetitive chorus.
Not sure if i'm playing devil advocate here.. but consider this. While your lyrics are changing on your chorus... I found it very catchy, hooky and repeative based on your use of the same repeating rhythm and vocal line during that part. Anyway, I get the others points too but repetition can work on multiple levels.
Well I'd say your opinion is probably just as valid as Blue's. I just don't like a couple of the lines that are in the second chorus, and probably could've written them better. I think the reason I do the differing chorus lyrics is because I feel somehow lazy if I don't. Anyway, it's all experience, and all stuff I need to hear! Keep the honest opinions coming!
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HeuristicsInc wrote:All right, Mr. Wages, I think you definitely must have undermixed my keyboards because nobody's even mentioned them yet... :)
I wouldn't mind giving an alternate mix a try if you can get me the files.
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blue wrote:
Stevie Durand: The King Arthur of songfighters who sound like King Arthur with horns?
I'll take that as a compliment. I like King Arthur.


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blue wrote:God, stop singing that damn line over and over. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.
blue wrote:Repeat repeat repeat! How am I ever going to remember this song if every goddamn line is different. If you need to say fifty different things, write fifty different songs. They are free.

Make up your mind. :)



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sdurand wrote:
blue wrote:
Stevie Durand: The King Arthur of songfighters who sound like King Arthur with horns?
I'll take that as a compliment. I like King Arthur.


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Well, Steve is swing and King Arther is country....other than that, yeah. :wink:
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:
sdurand wrote:
blue wrote:
Stevie Durand: The King Arthur of songfighters who sound like King Arthur with horns?
I'll take that as a compliment. I like King Arthur.


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Well, Steve is swing and King Arther is country....other than that, yeah. :wink:
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sdurand wrote:
blue wrote:God, stop singing that damn line over and over. Stop it. Stop it. Stop it.
blue wrote:Repeat repeat repeat! How am I ever going to remember this song if every goddamn line is different. If you need to say fifty different things, write fifty different songs. They are free.

Make up your mind. :)



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Hehe - I did wonder if anyone else would notise that :D. Also that blue took the time to count the repetitions in a song he hates ;). At least we made a connection - allbeit one based on hatered!
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++++++Atonal Coil Bros.++++++++++++
I re-recorded the guitar many times. Perhaps I should have just dropped it? I think Heuristic's keys cudda carried the verse parts guitar-less. I think the chorus-y guitar in the third verse was great. Hmmm...

Anyway, simple but pretty good riff for the chorus, if I do say so myself. I know what y'all mean about the ending being too abrupt. Looking forward to Heuristic's alt. mix.

Billy provided the bass line which I used to great extent. :) THAT'S what a bass does for a song... 3/5

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Billy's Little Trip
This is doing lots of good for me. It's like Shannon Hoon singin' like Dexter with some soupy chorus. Beautiful. 4/5

Booty Chesterfield Trio
I thought Chris Cornell was singing for Rage? When did Henry Rollins join the band? Nice riffage! Great bridge/solo. 5/5 P.S. Normally I listen to about half a song, but yours kept me glued.

Caravan Ray
This song reminds me of Len ("Steal My Sunshine"), but less commercially (that's a good thing). 4/5

Cranial Biffida
Theatrical death metal. Are you a member of Klownhole? There's a nice grinding feeling to this tune, but I still wanna be able to distinguish the vocals (whether they have pitch or not). 3/5

Damien Verrett
I started to write a review but deleted it when the banjo and flute(?) came in. Oh, I gotta a great joke to tell ya... what do you get when you cross a Nintendo, Deliverance, and Jethro Tull? Damien Verrett! 4/5

Disciples of Beer
Mmmm beer. The vocals are a little too bassy (sounds like you had to "over boost" the volume and compress), but otherwise another good Disciples entry. 4/5

Eidolon
I don't wanna give you a discouraging review. The acoustic part seems a bit too "standard", but the electric and the bass help a lot. Son Volt-ish vocals. 2.5/5

ephedream
Cool band name. A *little* Korn vocal influence. Actually, some of the lyrics sound vaguely familiar, but there are only so many words in the dictionary. (no offense, I just type what comes out). Good entry. 4/5

Flvxxvm Florvm
I had to reduce the bass to save my speakers. Not a bad song. This feels like the kind of song one would hear on a band's first EP before their "debut" album. One can tell there is talent, but the stars haven't aligned for proper greatness. Hmmm. It would be more constructive to say what you could do to improve it, but I don't really know. I'm giving you 3/5, but its just on the tip of being 4/5

Jim Tyrrell
How do you record your guitar? It's very clear and I can hear the individual strings. Very folky '70s-ish easy rock tune. If I personally liked the style, you'd get 4/5 (so heck, why not?)

Jolly Roger
I can't hear the voice very well. It sounds like the guitar should be mixed down a little so we can hear the vocals and the lead guitar. Ooo, the change around 1:30 is cool and unexpected. Would one consider this post-death metal post-punk? 3/5, but it's got the potential for 4/5

Klownhole
Nice speaking intro. I like the vocals so far. I usually don't like "helicopter bass drums", but it's working 1 minute in better than I thought possible. Hey, what gives!? This entry is under 5 minutes!!! You guys ARE drunk when you are writing? I could do a song in that state, but it would be more "tear in your beer, acoustic, and depressing." Whereas, the influence here is "party animals, Sabbath with knobs to 15, and fun". A strong KH entry my man. 4/5 (am I the fuckhead?)

Masterhyde
Old school doin' well. I wish you could get away from the midi sound. 4/5. If you had instruments/samples at your disposal, this could pull a 5/5

MC Eric B
Sorry about the nerdcore accusation. I was under the impression nerdcore was just white boys singing in a nerdy voice; I didn't realize the content was the factor that made nerdcore. Nice beats. I'm diggin' the chorus (for me, the chorus is the most important part of a rap/hip-hop song; I look for a good non-rappie melody in the chorus which you have provided). 4/5

Melvin
A little Weezerry. Very good entry. I don't think ANYTHING could make this a better entry. Period (right here ".") 5/5

Paco Del Stinko
Why aren't you signed god dammit?! Hmmm, So far, I would say you'd win except that damned Melvin guy. I'll have to listen to both over and over again to make a voting decision. 5/5

Ross Durand
I like the claps and snaps. I might have to try that sometimes. Neil Youngy (I guess I'm the label king). The keys are doing wonders to keep my interest. Fantastic. 4/5

Spinlock
I wanna keep getting better. A pad (such as keys) would really help make this tune even better. Oh, and there they are at around 1:50. The hook is nice. 3/5, could easily be 4/5

Steve Durand
Horny! pants down....so to speak. Funny tune. Nice groove. 4/5

Steve Hand Puppet and His Poorly Considered Solo Effort
This sucks. Worst entry of the week. Oh, sorry, that was my trivial, selfish, defensive alter-ego review (the one who undeservedly gives bad reviews because he is a little child who gets no respect; wonder why). Down boy, down! Ok. It's not so "poorly considered". Nice groove. I like the feel of the whole song. Maybe we need more Poorly Considered Solo Efforts. 4/5

Swilington
Nice instrumental groove. 4/5

Those Meddling Kids
Nice song, but your album will undoubtably have better tunes. 3.5/5

Wes Davis
Very nice voice and very nice toon. I expect to hear more from you. Now, go forth and do what you do best: catchy, poppy, better-than-the-average-jack-johnson wundermints! 5/5

Wormsweater
Needs some serious EQ adjustment. Did you mix this in the headphones? I think you and Wes could do a great duet. This is very demo-y, but I'll still keep it. Do avoid becoming too much like Jack Johnson. Oooo.... 1:40, great musical goodness. I'm feelin' this. 4/5, would be 5/5 with some better production (please post any such better mixes so I can upgrade).

Zoosneakers
Not unlike that Baz Luhrmann (sp?) song with a Butthole Surfers twist. Cool. 3/5

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Booty Chesterfield Trio
Melvin
Paco Del Stinko
Wes Davis

I didn't hear anything that was repeated too much. :) Ok, I did see some asshole making tons of comparisons in his reviews, but otherwise great fight.

I'm going to work. When I get back, I'll relisten to the top four and my vote will go -----> right after here.

right here ---> It's SO hard! I wanna vote for Booty, but I felt that was Stinko, so I consulted with Melvin, who referred me to Wes. Of course, everyone wanted my vote. Hmmmm...what to do. I won't vote for Booty because its a bit too RATM. I want to vote for Paco, but this isn't his <i>best</i> entry and this ain't the Academy Awards, so there will be no honorary awards. :) Wes's song didn't catch me until about 1/3 of the way in. Geez this is hard! While it is Weezerish, it has, for me, relistenability, so I'm going to go with Melvin.

Great fight by all!
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Wages wrote:Eidolon
I don't wanna give you a discouraging review. The acoustic part seems a bit too "standard", but the electric and the bass help a lot. Son Volt-ish vocals. 2.5/5
Sweet! I got the lowest rating on your reviews Wages! ;)

I'm not familiar with Son-Volt (though i've heard the name.. I'll have to dig some up and see what ya mean vocals-wise.) Thanks for the feedback.
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Wages wrote: Billy's Little Trip
This is doing lots of good for me. It's like Shannon Hoon singin' like Dexter with some soupy chorus. Beautiful. 4/5
Dexter? I'm thinking of three Dexters off the top of my head. #1.The cartoon, #2. the new show with the guy from 6 feet under, and #3. the guy that sings "hot hot hot", and all three are making me laugh just thinking of Shannon Hoon (r.i.p.) singing like any of them, lmao!
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Wages wrote:right here ---> It's SO hard! I wanna vote for Booty, but I felt that was Stinko
booty needs your vote more than melvin. melvin kills kittens.
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:
Wages wrote: Billy's Little Trip
This is doing lots of good for me. It's like Shannon Hoon singin' like Dexter with some soupy chorus. Beautiful. 4/5
Dexter?#3... the guy that sings "hot hot hot"
I think that was Buster Poindexter. Not really a proper Dexter. Maybe he meant #4. Dexter O'Reilly, loaveable teenage scallywag as played by Kurt Russel in classic Disney movies "Compuer Worn Tennis Shoes" and "The Strongest Man in The World"

By the way - reviews may be a while coming - I think I lost my mp3 player on the train. Nevermind - you all just got greater exposure, probably amongst some group of snotty Wynnum schoolkids. Maybe they might have a listen before they sell it to buy drugs.

I do remember thinking Booty Chesterfield, Ross Durand and Those Meddling Kids were particularly good this week
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I think that was Buster Poindexter
you are correct sir. I am a tard sir.
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Wages wrote: Klownhole
Nice speaking intro. I like the vocals so far. I usually don't like "helicopter bass drums", but it's working 1 minute in better than I thought possible. Hey, what gives!? This entry is under 5 minutes!!! You guys ARE drunk when you are writing? I could do a song in that state, but it would be more "tear in your beer, acoustic, and depressing." Whereas, the influence here is "party animals, Sabbath with knobs to 15, and fun". A strong KH entry my man. 4/5 (am I the fuckhead?)
"writing"? Is that the same as tuning? Because that's the only thing that happens before the second round of drinks are poured. After that, it's just whoever comes up with the first riff and the rock just happens from there. Writes itsfuckingself. 3 hrs start to finish including all recording. No time for creative editing to get song lengths down to what is acceptable to pop culture conformists. That smacks of effort and caring. Not going to sober up and start caring for an audience that's there to see the Violent Femmes and Robyn Hitchcock. (shudder)

No, you don't seem to be a fuckhead.
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Meatwad wrote:
Wages wrote: Klownhole
Nice speaking intro. I like the vocals so far. I usually don't like "helicopter bass drums", but it's working 1 minute in better than I thought possible. Hey, what gives!? This entry is under 5 minutes!!! You guys ARE drunk when you are writing? I could do a song in that state, but it would be more "tear in your beer, acoustic, and depressing." Whereas, the influence here is "party animals, Sabbath with knobs to 15, and fun". A strong KH entry my man. 4/5 (am I the fuckhead?)
"writing"? Is that the same as tuning? Because that's the only thing that happens before the second round of drinks are poured. After that, it's just whoever comes up with the first riff and the rock just happens from there. Writes itsfuckingself. 3 hrs start to finish including all recording. No time for creative editing to get song lengths down to what is acceptable to pop culture conformists. That smacks of effort and caring. Not going to sober up and start caring for an audience that's there to see the Violent Femmes and Robyn Hitchcock. (shudder)

No, you don't seem to be a fuckhead.

shut your meathole and do reviews.
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Billy's Little Trip wrote:Dexter? I'm thinking of three Dexters off the top of my head.......
lmao I meant Dexter of Offspring! :mrgreen:

BTW I upgraded this tune to 5/5 upon the third listening. :) Songs that are good to begin with and then "grow on you [more]" are nice.
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Meatwad wrote:3 hrs start to finish including all recording. No time for creative editing to get song lengths down to what is acceptable to pop culture conformists. That smacks of effort and caring. Not going to sober up and start caring for an audience that's there to see the Violent Femmes and Robyn Hitchcock. (shudder)
I've turned in at least two entries that were 3 hours or less all at once, probably a dozen that had less than 3 hours over the course of a week spent on them. I spend about 5minutes writing the song and 2 to 10 hours practicing it, refining it and getting them to the sparkling beauties they are. :P

I can respect that you do it for you and your buds and fuck anyone else. But I still gots to 'vue 'em es i's sees zums. m'k boss? 8)

Dispite your anticonformity, I still like some of your tunes. :P
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I'm not in this fight and I haven't read this whole thread. but i got in the mood for a few listens and reviews....

Atonal Coil Bros
Started out as a good rockin Southern style tune rockin me good, the guitar needs work, I know. I could gripe and say the distortion sounds fake and needs more mids or something to get it right. Fluffy guitars. Drums would've been better to continue in the chorus. I like the verses. I like em, I like the feeling you're going for.

Billy's Little Trip
I like the "Today is visiting day". And the shift to "you can feel it". The band share the same guitar setup as the last one? The distortion tones sound similar but this one is panned out. Might pan em back in a little. Thicken that up with something.

word to the wise anyone using a software program / plugin based distortion or overdrive...[for the extra heavy guitars] don't process it (the track) more than once, cuz it (the tone) just gets whack and smushy after the first process.
Hit the mids and bass hard on the overdrive plugin as well, and then back those frequencies off later if you have to. I usually kill the highs and prescence almost all the way and then boost highs later with an EQ, just go for a total bassy distortion. I honestly find that's the only way I've found to get a good super heavy yet clean distortion tone with a plugin.
oops wrong thread....anyway, continuing

The Booty Chesterfield Trio
Holy shit you just did it to me with the left sided guitar, that thing is all a crumbly mush! Actually fits the barrage of the drumkit and the melody though, the dissonent shit that sticks, and the whole damn tune is distortion, its covering, a blanket of marshmallow fuzz. The tom hits and bass drum are monsterous. What is it with recording drummers and their super heavy tom tones. And why is it that drummers all fuckin hate each other too? Drummers are the harshest on their own kind. That's something I've learned about drummers. The good ones, at least.

Caravan Ray
I had to go back to Booty for a sec cause I just wasn't ready for this. Well I'm not little anymore, and this is just too many years to regress, too fast. Damn catchy though, i'd love it if I were in a different emotional place than I am right now.

Cranial Biffida
how low is it tuned down? This is killing me, I actually am intrigued and want to dig deeper into the mass horror that's present here. Visual imagery: upside down crucifixes flying through blood splashed background. Large robot monster picking people up and ripping them to shreds, spraying flames. What the hell is what does this have to do with convalescence other than I'm gonna need a few days to stop having nightmares now.

Damien Verrett
After that horror, this goofy tune is welcome. Might even have to go back to Caravan Ray's song for a bit of convalescence. Vocals would have been better up the middle the whole way for this one with the double mixed in only a tiny bit. Banjo was good. Don't bother with the flute unless it's gonna be in tune, I'd say.

Disciples of Beer
That's actually a pretty damn cool guitar part and bass and cool sound effect. The vocals being alone in that small room is seriously scary. I'm not with the goofy parts toward the end though. The moment I heard that had promise was right at :50, "you think that you're relaxed". That line was the pivot you should've worked your whole song around, in my opinion.

...that's all I've got the mood for right now. take it ease.
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Man yeah software distortion blows. I did that on She Gave Up forever ago. I gave up on it.
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