Premeditation (Evil April Prefight)

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spinlock wrote:bzl: This is getting way off topic, but to answer your question again:
According to the research over 21% of the UK population over 5 years play an instrument, with 57% of them being under 35 years. However from the research it would appear that an additional 15.5m people would also like to learn to play music.
That looks like interesting research but I'm not going to pay the L500 to actually read the report, so I'll take your word for it. I wonder what percentage of people who play music would also like to write music because I think that's an important distinction.

Chris: I've sure been an asshole in this thread, but please don't let that intimidate you. I'm mostly just practicing for Nur Ein where I have to be mean to everyone in my Simon Cowell role. If you really do want to improve, it won't hurt anyone to submit your song. You'll probably learn what you want a lot faster if you get useful feedback-- that's true in any creative endeavor. It may not be easy to take at first, but you have to learn to deal with constructive criticism. It's not personal, though it's often hard to take it that way.
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Oh, by the way, The Hell Yeahs are in. :wink:
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Heather. Redmon. wrote:Oh, by the way, The Hell Yeahs are in. :wink:
Excellent! This title was beggin' for The Hell Yeahs.
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A few comments:

Garageband is also tailored towards making simple podcasts, this requires no musical talent. But GaragePodCast doesn't sound very sexy.

I also am sort of surprised that people choose a site called songfight to publish their first-ever song.

It doesn't help that some of what appear to be first-ever songs win.

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rdurand wrote:It doesn't help that some of what appear to be first-ever songs win.
It's both inspiring and depressing at the same time.
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bzl wrote:...I don't get why people think it is easy to make a song.
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[GarageBand is] packaged with a computer and almost everyone who buys that computer has no intention of using it to make music. Why?
These two seem to answer each other. The "money for nothin'" thesis is very attractive, which is probably why slackers and (actual) garage bands go together so well. I think tons of people feel like undiscovered pop stars and/or movie directors, even though they've never done either. The prevalence of technology in those industries just reinforces that idea (everyone knows about what AutoTune can do; even when I was a kid, everyone knew that Madonna's voice was "filtered", whatever that meant). GarageBand (and iMovie) promise to make it just that much easier to make it happen, and they pretty much deliver (GarageBand has a pitch and rhythm correction for recorded tracks that is shockingly smooth).

But you're right that it's a good question. Just to pick on someone recent, MC Eric B has expressed genuine concern that people are being unfairly harsh on his songs. I cannot in good conscience imagine why he thinks it's unfair. But obviously he hears something in his own creations that I can't, and the more I do this stuff, the more I realize that that's true of me, too. I'm just getting better at listening with more objective ears to my own (and other people's) songs.
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Oh, and Macs also come with command-line-driven GNU C/C++ compilers and an X-Windows emulator*, which I doubt very many people use, either. I think Mr. Jobs just likes throwing cool shit at the public for fun. Didn't his NeXt machine come with the collected works of Shakespeare?

*Or actual X-Windows variant. I don't really know anything.
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Why is "create your own hot beatz" a selling point to non-musicians? And why is it such a popular conception that music is easy?
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is no such thing as a non-musician; there are simply lots of people for whom creating music (versus consuming music) is unfamiliar ground. Given some motivation and some practice, most people can become musicians just by virtue of doing it reasonably well on a regular basis.

Of course, non-pro musicians very much exist as a category, and the trouble with SongFight (or similar venues) is that people are being asked to be more than songwriters and/or musicians; they're also supposed to be arrangers, producers, and recording technicians. Those skillsets have a high barrier to entry (although lower than it used to be, thanks to Garageband et al) and require a lot of practice to get right.

I personally would rather hear a great song sung and performed badly than a terrible song with perfect production values, but of course the high praise goes to people who nail both aspects. From that perspective, SongFight and similar are fantastic, because it gives you a reason to practice, and to try harder. "Winning" isn't really the point; practicing and getting feedback is, and "winning" is just the online equivalent to getting the most applause from the audience at an open mic -- motivational without question, which is a good thing, but shouldn't be the end-all be-all either.

After all, every person on this board who submits great songs, well performed started off creating crap songs poorly performed -- they just improved on their own in a vacuum before sharing it with other people, or shared their crap at open mics (and places like this) to get feedback and improve.

In short: music IS easy; writing and recording songs like a pro is not. Garageband and the like simply give people the tools to make practicing *production* and *recording techniques* easier and more affordable, encouraging them to practice.
yeah i dont think im gunna enter. I made a song, but i dont want to enter when i know i dont stand a shot at winning. I'll just embarrass myself. I'm gunna wait till i get better.
Why? Your posts consistently use the word "gunna" instead of the colloquial "gonna" or (better yet) "going to" -- but you aren't holding off on posting until your grammer and spelling are perfect, are you?

On the other hand, if you don't want to enter because you don't think you can win, then you might want to take a moment to consider why you're writing music in the first place. There's nothing wrong with wanting to get recognition -- nothing at all -- but not trying because you won't be the best is just going to delay your development.

I say, submit! Then take your lumps in the feedback in the spirit with which people intend it (mostly) -- to help you improve. Pick one thing everyone says you're doing wrong, and fix it for next week. Repeat ad infinitum.

Good luck.
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MintyHandy wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is no such thing as a non-musician; there are simply lots of people for whom creating music (versus consuming music) is unfamiliar ground. Given some motivation and some practice, most people can become musicians just by virtue of doing it reasonably well on a regular basis.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that someone who is completely tone-deaf, doesn't play any instrument, and can't even rap is worthy of being labeled a non-musician.
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MintyHandy wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there is no such thing as a non-musician; there are simply lots of people for whom creating music (versus consuming music) is unfamiliar ground.
I'm with you on that limb, but there's an important caveat: "musician" implies focused skill. In some sense, we are all doctors, too, because we take care of our own bodies. But the word means more.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that someone who is completely tone-deaf, doesn't play any instrument, and can't even rap is worthy of being labeled a non-musician.
Just what are you trying to say? :D
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rdurand wrote:Garageband is also tailored towards making simple podcasts, this requires no musical talent. But GaragePodCast doesn't sound very sexy.
I guess that makes sense. I've even used multitrack software to make mix tapes; it's highly excessive but it's fun to get all the crossfades just so.
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I will take this into consideration. It does involve a lot of travelling and a lot of what would probably be mediocre sex, but one must make sacrifices sometimes. And who knows, maybe a few of you will surprise me!

I'm going to bow out of any metaphysical arguments; frankly I don't care enough to try.
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jolly roger wrote: I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that someone who is completely tone-deaf, doesn't play any instrument, and can't even rap is worthy of being labeled a non-musician.
Ah, but you can be completely tone-deaf, not play an instrument, be completely unable to rap -- and with the "motivation and some practice" that I mentioned, become a drummer. I think it's safe to say (again, but more bluntly) that everyone here sucked at some point, but look at you now.

Let me rephrase it: most people are POTENTIAL musicians. Think of the kid who sat around in the subways drumming on the paint bucket, and over time got so good at it that he ended up getting paid to do a few commercials. He's a musician, and so am I -- and I'm just a jackass who fiddles with a ukulele every few days.
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They say Charles Ives' father had a church choir composed entirely of peopele who could not carry a tune.

By the way, I'll be in for this one.
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I agree wiht the right amount of will power and dedication... anyone can learn an instrument. Some people just lack that passion though and some just have an incredible learning curve. We can't all just pick up a guitar and two weeks later be playing Clapton. Or step up to the mic and start flowing like Frontalot (who i blame for the influx of nerdcore hip hop on songfight). But with practice maybe we could get there.

anyway, I just realized I totally could have jacked a pixies song ("Alec Eiffel" anyone?) and replace the chorus with "Evil April" and won this week. But alas... college life is time consuming. :lol:
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Just thought I'd let you all know that I snapped my plectrum in two while letting it all out recording my entry for this fight.
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mr_lostman wrote:I just realized I totally could have jacked a pixies song ("Alec Eiffel" anyone?)
That was the very first thing I thought of and it is reassuring (but scary) to know I'm not alone. Evil April stands in the archwaaaaaaaaaaay and I knew at once that I wasn't going to be able to block that out.
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obscurity wrote:Just thought I'd let you all know that I snapped my plectrum in two
You should see a doctor about that.
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so for the second time, Booty saw the "optional challenge" and wrote a song with the challenge as the title.

.. it's a better title anyways. :D
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spinlock wrote:
jb wrote:songfight is a kiln for songwriters.
Meaning that some of us crack in the process?
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Chris... the biggest thing you can learn here is to roll with the punches. Take 'em as they come. In one ear, and out your computer. Don't give up. Fuck those who would conspire against you (figuratively, unless you both consent), but take heart the words of those who speak their feelings for he who does is a wise man (or woman) and will improve ten fold (unless you have no talent, in which case, bugger off). ;)

I wasn't even thinking to do a song this week, but I just got my acoustic back (I loaned it to a friend), so I wrote something this morning, worked out kinks at lunch, and got-it-to-a-demo-state this evening. Then I did a little experimenting with multiple vocals and effects. We'll see what kind of feedback I get (I'm one of those who gets slammed fairly often, but I'm like the Energizer Bunny on crack...and King Arthur, I'm coming after your record!) haha! j/k, but I might make it anywho!

SHAMELESS PLUG: And did yall check out my first rap song and a sidefight over in this thread:
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MintyHandy wrote:Ah, but you can be completely tone-deaf, not play an instrument, be completely unable to rap -- and with the "motivation and some practice" that I mentioned, become a drummer.
As a drummer, that was kind of a kick in the balls, since I think the ability to drum is not just buried within every person in the world, waiting to be awakened, since it's apparently the easiest instrument to learn. Sure, somebody can learn how to hit drums, and play chords ... but can everybody learn to do more than that? Music is not just chord progressions and drum beats you learn from a book.
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