Posting this from a PS3

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:09 am

Anyone else have one? Probaby not. I'm 'plaidfluff' on PSN in case anyone wants to add me. (Which is a HELL of a lot easier than on the Wii, let me tell you! Also the PS3 web browser is much better. And you can use a USB keyboard to type. And if you do insist on using your joystick to type, the PS3's prediction engine is much nicer and learns word-level predictions as well.)

obscurity · Post by **obscurity** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:55 am

Yeah, I'v got one. Resistance:Fall Of Man and VF5 are my 2 faves on it so far. THP8 was a let down.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:57 am

I held off on buying one until the price came down (it did) and there were a bunch of games I wanted for it (there are). So far I just have The Darkness (which I haven't played yet) and Super Stardust HD (well worth the $10). I'm also looking forward to Ratchet and Clank, the Valve Orange Box (includes Half-Life 2 and Portal!), Little Big Planet, Everyday Shooter, and Echochrome, and will probably pick up Oblivion when I have a hell of a lot of free time to spare.

I have to say there's a lot more I'm interested in on the PS3 than the Wii right now. Basically the only Wii titles I want to pick up are Eternal Darkness (which was a Game Cube launch title!) and Super Mario Galaxy. The Wii is a fun party system but I don't have parties very often. Also, the PS3 has a much better online experience (even just in terms of what sorts of things you can get online and the whole friends setup... also the integration between PS3 and PSP is pretty compelling, though right now there's only a couple of PSP-specific games I'm interested in and they're not interesting enough to justify a PSP purchase just yet).

There's no XBox 360 exclusives I give a crap about. Everything I want on the 360 is also on the PS3.

HeuristicsInc · Post by **HeuristicsInc** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:02 pm

Hey, Portal, is that out? I thought that wasn't coming out till Episode 2.
-bill

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 4:25 pm

Not out yet. Orange Box will be out in October.

http://orange.half-life2.com/

Adam! · Post by **Adam!** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:28 pm

I've probably played more PS3 than Wii, and I don't even own a PS3. Come on Nintendo, make with the real games already. But both systems are in dire need of an online experience like Live.

Anyway, Resistance Fall of Man is probably the best FPS I've played on any console, and Super Stardust HD makes my brain hurt with happiness.

mkilly · Post by **mkilly** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:02 pm

call me a crotchety young old man, but fuck an Xbox Live. Who gives a shit, seriously. Halo sucks a dick. FPSs are for God-damn computers, not consoles. Console FPSes suck and are inferior to the computer FPS experience. Wario Ware is tons of fun. I'd rather have a Wii than a PS3. but that's just me.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:42 pm

I haven't played with Live but isn't the PS3 Network stuff fairly Live-ish? I know some of the puzzle games have online battle modes, at least, and then there's the whole friends-list high-score things and the seeing-who-is-on things.

Also right now I can't actually access PS3N content (store, account settings, etc.). I wonder if it has anything to do with the power+data center problems in San Francisco...

Bjam · Post by **Bjam** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:49 pm

mkilly wrote:call me a crotchety young old man, but fuck an Xbox Live. Who gives a shit, seriously.

I dunno, I enjoy beating 20 somethings on Mega Bomberman Live. It's great.

Adam! · Post by **Adam!** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:02 pm

The best thing about the PS3, imo, is that you can stream media to it from a PC. If I had one I would set up some bastardized homebrew Tivo by using RSS feeds to auto-download torrents of the shows I watch, convert them on the fly and pipe them to my TV. Of course, I'm a huge fucking nerd, which is why I'm doing that already. But it would be fun to add a PS3 to the mix, if only to make a system Rube Goldberg would truly be proud of.

fluffy wrote:I haven't played with Live but isn't the PS3 Network stuff fairly Live-ish?

PS3 and Wii both have online stores, but they leave it up to the individual game developers to find a way to make online play work. PS3's Home aims to change that a bit.

mkilly wrote:Console FPSes suck and are inferior to the computer FPS experience

A year ago I would have agreed, but then I played Resistance. Superior. [size=0]imo as always, duh[/size]

mkilly wrote:call me a crotchety young old man, but fuck an Xbox Live. Who gives a shit, seriously.

Well, since you asked: Bjam. Me. Other people too, probably. Because there is no Live for Wii and PS3, developers don't generally put in online modes. Which means no Virtua Fighter 5 online, or for Wii owners (myself included) no Smash Bros online. Sure you can share your top score with other players online in Super Stardust HD, but shouldn't you be able to play in co-op mode with other players online? Maybe there's latency issues I'm ignoring, but I really think Plat and I should be able to take turns playing a round of Wii Golf.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 9:08 pm

Puce wrote:The best thing about the PS3, imo, is that you can stream media to it from a PC. If I had one I would set up some bastardized homebrew Tivo by using RSS feeds to auto-download torrents of the shows I watch, convert them on the fly and pipe them to my TV. Of course, I'm a huge fucking nerd, which is why I'm doing that already. But it would be fun to add a PS3 to the mix, if only to make a system Rube Goldberg would truly be proud of.

Yeah, I bought an AppleTV + eyeTV for that purpose, which led me to upgrade my CRT 1080i HDTV to an LCD 1080p, which led me to getting the PS3, which could be used for what I got the AppleTV for. The AppleTV is absolutely silent, though, which is more than can be said for the PS3.

(Also, AppleTV and eyeTV get along well enough that I don't need anything particularly hacky, though eyeTV does have a few annoying weirdnesses to it.)

Regarding FPSes: Too bad the Resistance folks weren't responsible for doing <a href="http://beesbuzz.biz/blog/e/2007/07/24-d ... s.php">The Darkness</a>.

Regarding Live: future games will certainly have online multiplayer stuff. PS3N is certainly set up to allow online multiplayer, and it's surprising that apparently no games support it yet (though Unreal Tournament 3 apparently will). Wii's friend stuff doesn't appear to be set up for that at all, though; Mario Kart is apparently going to have its own friend code bullshit just like it does on the DS, for example.

mkilly · Post by **mkilly** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:03 pm

Puce wrote:
mkilly wrote:call me a crotchety young old man, but fuck an Xbox Live. Who gives a shit, seriously.
Well, since you asked: Bjam. Me. Other people too, probably. Because there is no Live for Wii and PS3, developers don't generally put in online modes. Which means no Virtua Fighter 5 online, or for Wii owners (myself included) no Smash Bros online. Sure you can share your top score with other players online in Super Stardust HD, but shouldn't you be able to play in co-op mode with other players online? Maybe there's latency issues I'm ignoring, but I really think Plat and I should be able to take turns playing a round of Wii Golf.

Yeah, I guess that's the benefit, is being able to play with friends. That's fine. It's nice to have that on a console especially because cheating is maybe less of a problem. Anytime I've ever played anything multiplayer with strangers it's just hell, with dumbasses swearing their mouths off and also I am instantly killed because I'm not some loser who spends a hundred hours a week on some dumb videogame. I chose words poorly this time around, I guess. When I wrote that I was specifically thinking of Halo and Halo 2, which are all anyone ever seems to mean when they say "Xbox Live" when I'm around.

puce wrote:The best thing about the PS3, imo, is that you can stream media to it from a PC. If I had one I would set up some bastardized homebrew Tivo by using RSS feeds to auto-download torrents of the shows I watch, convert them on the fly and pipe them to my TV. Of course, I'm a huge fucking nerd, which is why I'm doing that already. But it would be fun to add a PS3 to the mix, if only to make a system Rube Goldberg would truly be proud of.

That's exactly the same thing that Sven said about his PSP. I know this is conventional wisdom and it's just become a catchphrase and whatever, but that's why the Wii's trouncing the PS3: it's the games, stupid. I have a computer to be a computer, and a laptop with S-video out. A lot of people bought an Xbox because they can do funny moddy things. Fine, whatever, great, way to be; that doesn't make the games any more fun. And I hardly think it counts against the Wii.

Also, man, the Playstation 2 DVD interface is God-awful. And a lot of the Xboxes and PS2s I've ever met have developed bad load problems and died. I like having a DVD player where I don't have to pay extra for a remote and also I'm assured of support for DVD player things like optical 5.1 output in DTS or Dolby Digital 5.1, disc resume, etc.

BTW, ever get any of that music I mentioned to you? dug on any of it? PM me if you wish.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 10:25 pm

The PS3 has the same DVD/BD UI as the PS2's DVD player, but it has the advantage that its controllers are wireless to begin with so it's not such a big deal. Also the PS3 has gotten several nice firmware upgrades which make its DVD output even better than my upconverting DVD player (hence why I'm selling said upconverting player). The only downside to the PS3 as a DVD player is that it's a bit louder than a normal player, but I can't hear it over the movie anyway.

Also, it has great audio and video format support. Unfortunately, my TV doesn't do raw HDMI audio passthrough (most don't, sadly) so I still have to run a separate optical cable from the PS3 to my stereo in order to get 5.1 audio. But at least games do proper 5.1 now. (And in the future I'll probably get a stereo which has its own HDMI switching, which will make things better, in theory at least.)

The PS3 has actually allowed me to simplify my setup somewhat since I replaced my PS2 and my DVD player with the PS3. Granted, the PS3 is bigger than the other two devices put together, but now at least it only uses up one space in my entertainment center.

In favor of your "it's the games stupid" argument, however, I will say that setting up the Wii was a breeze while getting the PS3 working right was a bit fiddly. But that's more to do with the fact that the PS3 has more things that can possibly go wrong (if I just had the PS3 hooked directly to an HDMI-switching receiver I'd only have had to set up the network, which is a little more fiddly than the Wii but not that much more).

The thing I'll say in favor of the Wii's networking stuff is that you don't need a globally-unique user ID for it to work, since it's the console ID which things care about. Of course the flip side of that is that you have to do a bit more work to add someone as a friend, and also you can't tell multiple users of a single console apart (not that it matters in most cases, granted).

Basically, all systems have strengths and weaknesses, and so far I think that the PS3's downloadable content is much more compelling than the Wii's, and Sony's making a lot of interesting (and hopefully right!) moves down the road when it comes to the sorts of games they produce and the network experience and so on. <em>For now</em> the Wii feels a bit stagnant, in how basically all that's coming out for it is minigame collections and all gameplay favors parties in meatspace (which is exactly why it's doing so well in the marketplace, really), but I know that'll change eventually since there are some pretty cool games coming out in the future, and supposedly Wii Shop will also start having downloadable independent/small-budget games too. (But I can't help but notice how even the small cheap PS3 games seem to have better production values than most of the expensive Wii games...)

Adam! · Post by **Adam!** » Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:17 pm

Also, Bluray on a 1080 display = holy shit. Planet Earth in bluray is one of my best purchases.

mkilly wrote:
puce wrote:stuff
That's exactly the same thing that Sven said about his PSP. I know this is conventional wisdom and it's just become a catchphrase and whatever, but that's why the Wii's trouncing the PS3: it's the games, stupid. I have a computer to be a computer, and a laptop with S-video out. A lot of people bought an Xbox because they can do funny moddy things. Fine, whatever, great, way to be; that doesn't make the games any more fun. And I hardly think it counts against the Wii.

If that's aimed at me, you're preaching to the converted. The only system I personally own is a Wii, and I stayed up all night and lined up in the cold to get it. The only systems I've ever owned have been Nintendo, and the reason is because Nintendo has the best games. That's also my biggest complaint: where are the games that were supposed to have dropped already (Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Smash Bros which I absolutely cannot wait for, Mario Kart, etc etc etc)?

And if that's not aimed at me, but instead aimed at the world in general, I think you're still preaching to the converted.

mkilly wrote:BTW, ever get any of that music I mentioned to you? dug on any of it? PM me if you wish.

I'm still making headway (it was a long list). The Decemberists and Of Montreal now have permanent spots in my car CD changer.
(I know it's off topic, but hey, this is what monkey business is for.)

The Weakest Suit · Post by **The Weakest Suit** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:22 am

fluffy wrote:Basically the only Wii titles I want to pick up are Eternal Darkness (which was a Game Cube launch title!)

eternal darkness is one of the best gaming experiences i have ever had. the less you know about it, the more surprises it throws at you, so i won't go into specifics, except to say that one of the coolest (non-spoiler) features is that you get to play as a different character in a different time period every level.
and if you are buying cube games for the wii, resident evil 4 is probably one of the most fun games i have played ever. in the last 5 or so years, it is the only game i have played through more than once. actually, i've played through it twice on the cube and twice on the ps2, plus the two extra ada games that come with the ps2 version. these are included on resident evil 4 wii edition, but the cube controller is so great for this game, i would be very surprised if it is as fun with the wii controller.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 8:15 am

Everything I've heard is that the Wii version of RE4 has WAY better controls, and that even though it's not an FPS, WiiRE4 serves as a model for how every FPS should ever be controlled in the future.

mkilly · Post by **mkilly** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:05 am

Puce wrote:The Decemberists and Of Montreal now have permanent spots in my car CD changer.

cool. those are two of my favorite, favorite bands, no joke.

fluffy · Post by **fluffy** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 9:11 am

Nobody else has made a friends request yet and this makes me sad. :(

I guess Mii exchange is more popular than competing on scores?

obscurity · Post by **obscurity** » Wed Jul 25, 2007 10:52 am

You're reading too much into things. It's just that we all hate you.