episode iii : revenge of the sith

Eric Y. · Post by **Eric Y.** » Sat Nov 27, 2004 10:35 pm

so today i went and saw the incredibles, and prior to the film i saw (for the first time) a preview for episode iii.

ep.i was not bad but failed to live up to the 20 years of hype, particularly since the most publicised character (darth maul) was featured onscreen for like less time throughout the entire movie than they spent focussing on the stupid pod race. ep.ii was even more of a disappointment IIRC, since i don't even really remember much about it.

but this preview looks pretty exciting, tying the old together with the new (or to put it more confusingly, what is yet to come with what has already happened)...

so anyway i figured i'd start a pre-release hype thread.

aaaaaaaand go...

Gazelles · Post by **Gazelles** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:12 pm

What are you talking about? Episode One absolutely god awful, and Attack of the Clones wasn't much better. I'm not anticipating Episode Three too much.

Jim of Seattle · Post by **Jim of Seattle** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:23 pm

Episode I was horrible the first time I saw it. Then I re-watched it prior to episode II and liked it a lot better, since I'd already determined I hated it (second time was more like "OK, well I don't exaclty hate it, but..."). Going into episode II my expectations were really really low, so I ended up enjoying it a lot. What the hell, it's cool looking.

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 6:57 pm

I agree with tviyh on this. It may have not come near living up to it's hype but that didn't make it a bad movie. I think folks let some of their dissapointment determine their final analysis of the movie. These two new movies are pretty good if you don't try to watch them with some preconceived idea of them. (preconcieved seems to be the word of the night for me)

I highly anticipate the next one and the previews do make it look sick. And by sick of course I am using the terminology of the hip youth.

erik · Post by **erik** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:09 pm

Ep 1 was not a good movie. It may not have been as bad as a hypothetical Chris Rock - Ben Affleck buddy cop movie, but it was still not good.

I skipped Ep 2, but I want to see Ep 3.

Caravan Ray · Post by **Caravan Ray** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:20 pm

15-16 puzzle wrote:Ep 1 was not a good movie. It may not have been as bad as a hypothetical Chris Rock - Ben Affleck buddy cop movie, but it was still not good.

It was also better than a hypothetical Sandra Bullock - Adam Sandler romantic comedy.

Bjam · Post by **Bjam** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:46 pm

Ep I.
My first introduction to the Star Wars fandom(oh the joys of being in a younger generation) I thought it was pretty awesome. But, err, heh, well, um, that opinion may have been biased as, heh, Jar-Jar was my first ever cursh. Feel free to shoot me now. (However you'll notice my crushes being promoted to real people as my Star Wars journey continues)

Ep II.
By this time I'd seen the original Star Wars so I was kinda 'eh' about Ep II. However at this point I was getting into production and costume design, so I was utterly in love with the costumes of Amidala. Also, at this point I was all swoony over Obi-Wan(See? Continuity

)

Ep III.
Hopefully it'll be good. It has the possibility of being freaking awesome because they could go so very very dark with Anakin's turning. And, mmm, Obi Wan fighting, yum. I'll go in expecting an okay action movie, and hopefully be happy with the final project. We'll just have to wait and see who I'll crush on next

(Darth--Mmm, Evil)

Hoblit · Post by **Hoblit** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 7:59 pm

Bjam wrote:Ep I.
Jar-Jar was my first ever cursh. Feel free to shoot me now. (However you'll notice my crushes being promoted to real people as my Star Wars journey continues)

I have a huge crush on Belle... Beauty and the Beast chick.

She's a beautiful brunette who is smart, likes to read, and doesn't care what you look like. I'm so in love with her.

JonPorobil · Post by **JonPorobil** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:01 pm

Even if you lower your standards, Episode One was horrible. Nothing about it worked. There were too many holes in the plot. Anikin shuts down all the robots by destroying a single ship (design flaw much?) by accident. Jar-Jar was too cutesy. The script was lifeless, the visuals were too fake, and a racecar scene somehow wandered into the middle of the script. I mean, there's an excuse, but it's forced. And that three-way lightsabre battle. If Qui-gon had run backwards to meet up with Obi-Wan instead of pushing onward and leaving his apprentice alone to watch and wait, he might have lived.

Note to Lucas: if a thirteen-year-old kid in the audience can easily figure out a solution that a wisened Jedi Knight manageds to overlook, there's a problem with character consistency.

Episode II was about on par with the original series, I think. It was no Empire Strikes Back, but it was interesting. There was some decent character development, Jar-Jar got downplayed to the point of tolerability, and the CGI was less tacky and fake-looking in general. Hayden Christiensen (or however it's spelled) plays Anakin passably, though not brilliantly. The script is still kind of rigid, but the plot seems to flow naturally.

Episode III could either be the best in the series or the worst. And either way it would be by a long shot. After all, the most important character moment in all six films is slated to occur in III. The trailer made it look appropriately dark, though there wasn't too terribly much to judge by. I'm looking forward to it, but bracing myself for disaster.

Bjam · Post by **Bjam** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:04 pm

Hoblit wrote:
Bjam wrote:Ep I.
Jar-Jar was my first ever cursh. Feel free to shoot me now. (However you'll notice my crushes being promoted to real people as my Star Wars journey continues)

I have a huge crush on Belle... Beauty and the Beast chick.

She's a beautiful brunette who is smart, likes to read, and doesn't care what you look like. I'm so in love with her.

Dude, I love Belle. I wanted to be Belle so badly. She was pretty, smart, knew what she wanted, AND all the guys liked her. I mean, that just doesn't happen in real life. That's what movies are for, I suppose...

Post by **Lunkhead** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:10 pm

I had a good time watching Episode I the first time, mostly because I went on opening night and the crowd in the theater was really excited. On second viewing, I found the kid kind of nauseating, Jar Jar totally inane, and the whole "midichlorian" thing ridiculous. Plus the way Lucas just tossed away Darth Maul and Liam Neeson's character at the end made very little sense to me. If you're going to make a trilogy, you're just going to confuse people by having a bunch of throw-away characters in each episode, especially when you make it seem like they're major players in the story.

Episode II was much worse in some ways, and much better in others. Any time Hayden Christiansen and Natalie Portman were talking it was physically painful to me. The dialog was horrific (eg "But, you're a jedi, and I'm a senator. Our love can never be.") and the acting was wooden at best. At least most of the action sequences were fantastic. The intro sequence starting when Obi-Wan jumps out the window and grabs onto the droid was excellent, as was Obi-Wan's fight with Django Fett, and even the final battle sequence. I enjoyed Yoda's saber fight even though it was really gimmicky. But the whole plot was convoluted and boring, and there was another throw-away character, Count Doodoo. Basically Lucas's writing sucks. He should have hired a screenwriter and stuck to directing.

Episode III is going to be a strange movie, because of how it's going to have to end to lead into the original trilogy. The main character will have turned totally evil, after wiping out the remaining jedi. His wife will be dead. The empire will have taken over the galaxy. I don't know how Lucas can make a satisfying ending out of that. The teaser trailer mostly shows action sequences, so it looks OK. I'll probably see it, but it will probably suck.

erik · Post by **erik** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:10 pm

If you're pretty, all the guys will like you, even if you read or know what you want out of life. That's exactly like real life.

Bjam · Post by **Bjam** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:13 pm

15-16 puzzle wrote:If you're pretty, all the guys will like you, even if you read or know what you want out of life. That's exactly like real life.

Heh, not in my experience. If you're 'hot' then all the guys will like you. There's an unfortunate difference.

Kamakura · Post by **Kamakura** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:20 pm

Episodes 1 and 2 were good looking scriptless crap. Episode 3 is going to try and marry two COMPLETELY different types of film technology together and it's a roll of the dice but... Meh.
Episodes 4, 5 and 6 are brilliant...
God forbid he thinks about making 7,8 and 9.

JonPorobil · Post by **JonPorobil** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:27 pm

A million sci-fi writers already beat him to the punch, answering that ever-present question "What could happen after that ending?" with a resounding "nothing much."

Anyone ever read any of the SW literature, particularly the ones that take place after Jedi? Bo-ring.

c hack · Post by **c hack** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:40 pm

Lunkhead: YES to everything you said.

Ep I was utter crap except for Ewan MacGregor's outstanding portrayal of Obi-Wan, and Amidala's stunning costumes.

Hoblit: Total crush on Belle here. Of course, Princess Jasmine and Ariel the Mermaid ain't too shabby either. Of course, isn't Ariel like 15? What am I talking about? She's half fish. Age doesn't even enter into it when the reason it "smells like fish down there" is scales and fins.

Bjam wrote:Heh, not in my experience. If you're 'hot' then all the guys will like you. There's an unfortunate difference.

What's the difference between hot and pretty?

Bjam · Post by **Bjam** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 8:47 pm

c hack wrote:
Bjam wrote:Heh, not in my experience. If you're 'hot' then all the guys will like you. There's an unfortunate difference.
What's the difference between hot and pretty?

I'm not sure. I consider there to be a difference, some may not. Obviously some people can be both, but think of someone pretty. Then think of someone hot. My Mum's says that hot is more sexual. I think I'm pretty, but certainly not hot. My friend sums it up pretty well "You can think your sister is pretty, but thinking she was hot would be totally different and wrong." What do you think is the difference? Or do you not think there's one?

JonPorobil · Post by **JonPorobil** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:31 pm

An ex-girlfriend tried to explain this distinction to me, about as eloquently. I determined that "hot" has a sexual connotation, whereas "pretty" is simply visually pleasing. But a lot of people who don't understand this distinction wind up mixing them up, thus rendering any real distinction useless.

Example: a female friend of mine was looking at various photographs of people on her digital camera from the evening. One, of me, was taken from a weird angle, and I noted as much. "Yeah," she rejoined, "but you look really hot in this one."

I don't think she was hitting on me...

fodroy · Post by **fodroy** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 10:54 pm

hotness is subjective. that is my official position on that subject. but then again, i'm not a hot guy and i've never dated a "hot" girl.

Caravan Ray · Post by **Caravan Ray** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:04 pm

"Hotness" often has nothing at all to do with physical appearance.

Guys, try walking around a beach holding a baby - you suddenly become a total chick-magnet! No matter how bad your hat looks.

fodroy · Post by **fodroy** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:11 pm

caravan ray just said what i meant. thank you, ray.

HeuristicsInc · Post by **HeuristicsInc** » Sun Nov 28, 2004 11:23 pm

i think hot has more to do with the body and sexual attractiveness, while pretty has more to do with the face, and could be sexual or not. i prefer pretty.

anyway, as far as star wars goes, i watched the preview with relish, but i imagine it will probably be disappointing. man, that ep2 "romantic" dialogue was the most stilted thing i've ever seen. yuk!

big weenies did not show the preview before incredibles, but my sister and i took the kids to see the polar express and they showed it then.

i'm not getting my hopes up!
-bill