episode iii : revenge of the sith

[Leaf]

An ex-girlfriend tried to explain this distinction to me, about as eloquently. I determined that "hot" has a sexual connotation, whereas "pretty" is simply visually pleasing. But a lot of people who don't understand this distinction wind up mixing them up, thus rendering any real distinction useless.

Example: a female friend of mine was looking at various photographs of people on her digital camera from the evening. One, of me, was taken from a weird angle, and I noted as much. "Yeah," she rejoined, "but you look really hot in this one."

I don't think she was hitting on me...

She was.

[erik]

My friend sums it up pretty well "You can think your sister is pretty, but thinking she was hot would be totally different and wrong."

I don't think my sister is hot, I *know* she's hot.

(And I do not want to have sex with her.)

[HeuristicsInc]

i prefer pretty.

oops, i lied, i prefer cute.
-bill

[Eric Y.]

the funny thing about the star wars franchise is, no matter how disappointing people feel the movie will be, you KNOW everybody is going to go see it anyway. (and by "everybody" i mean "all of us who are talking about it", because i know there are people out there who either don't like, or have never seen, any star wars movies). so basically they just need to make a movie, any movie, and they will sell a zillion tickets right off the bat, just because.

God forbid he thinks about making 7,8 and 9.

i remember hearing years and years ago that the original plan was for it to develop into a nonology (if that's even the right word) with the final trilogy being made after the prequel trilogy was finished. but then lucas took so long coming out with these three (twenty years, give or take, after the originals) that i think i recall it being said around the time episode i was being made that he was scrapping those plans -- because frankly, he is getting kind of old.

[j$]

Ep 1 was rubbish. I so wanted it to be good, but it wasn't.

Ep 2 was almost good. But the 'comedy' with C3P0 really, really ruined it for me.

Both were 2 1/2 hrs films that would have been an awful lot better pruned to 90 minutes. In Episode 2, while I was watching it, there were scenes I was thinking 'this is unneccessary', which is a bad thing in my book.

I will watch ep 3. I will be disappointed. *shrug*

j$

[c hack]

Example: a female friend of mine was looking at various photographs of people on her digital camera from the evening. One, of me, was taken from a weird angle, and I noted as much. "Yeah," she rejoined, "but you look really hot in this one."

I don't think she was hitting on me...

I don't know all the ins and outs of that situation, but you might want to rethink that conclusion. Think: would you ever say "you look really hot in this one" to a girl you had absolutely no interest in?

Hot vs. Pretty:
I'm not buying the "pretty == beauty; hot == sexual" thing. Any beautiful girl is hot, in my mind (like Erik said, your sister can be hot but you still don't want to sleep with her). I'm thinking pretty == just visual, but hot == the whole package. Like, Paris Hilton is very pretty, but her personality makes her lukewarm at best. Lauren Bacall (back in the day) was quite pretty, and the way she talked and walked and everything made her freakin' hot.

I think I have better male examples: a friend told me she thought Bill Clinton was hot. I don't think she meant visually pleasing. Another told me she thought Alan Greenspan was hot. I'm SURE she wasn't talking about looks there.

[j$]

I don't think she was hitting on me...

but you might want to rethink that conclusion.

only if the angle in question is one you can maintain without falling over ...

[Hoblit]

1. There were too many holes in the plot. Anikin shuts down all the robots by destroying a single ship (design flaw much?) by accident.

2. Jar-Jar was too cutesy. The script was lifeless, the visuals were too fake, and a racecar scene somehow wandered into the middle of the script. I mean, there's an excuse, but it's forced.

3. And that three-way lightsabre battle. If Qui-gon had run backwards to meet up with Obi-Wan instead of pushing onward and leaving his apprentice alone to watch and wait, he might have lived.

4. Note to Lucas: if a thirteen-year-old kid in the audience can easily figure out a solution that a wisened Jedi Knight manageds to overlook, there's a problem with character consistency.

5. Episode II was about on par with the original series, I think. It was no Empire Strikes Back, but it was interesting. There was some decent character development, Jar-Jar got downplayed to the point of tolerability, and the CGI was less tacky and fake-looking in general. Hayden Christiensen (or however it's spelled) plays Anakin passably, though not brilliantly. The script is still kind of rigid, but the plot seems to flow naturally.

1. And in Number 4 Luke Skywalker takes down the whole deathstar with two torpedos. (Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought turning off the robots was on purpose)

2. And in Number 4 C3P0 was the exact same thing all fluttering around saying one liners in a british accent. (Although I'll give you, Jar Jar was a bit worse)

3. The whole word apprentice sums that up my man.

4. You can say this about any movie dude, look it up on the internets.

5. Number 4, have you even seen it? Lets talk about what looks fake in the originals 4, 5, and 6. Kids these days. Also, it wasn't anything like 'empire strikes back'..and actually...this next one will be more like that in a way. This next one can't really exactly have a 'happy ending'. Sure, the good guys might get away with their lives...but the evil empire wins this one.

<b>6. I dated a lot of hot girls back when I was kind of pretty.</b>

I believe there are alot of differences between pretty and hot. Mc Jagger was hot whereas Paul McCartney was pretty. There are distinctions and whether or not you feel the sexual meaning doesn't mean you can recognize it's there.

[jimtyrrell]

MC Jagger. Hehe. "Can't get me no satisfizzy, you betta reckanize."

Ok. Anyway...

I just got the original trilogy on DVD. I'm looking forward to Episode Three. It can't possibly bail out the two that preceded it, but it looks like it has a chance at being good.
Of course, I thought the same thing about the last two films. With this in mind, here's a few things I hope are not introduced (or re-introduced) in Episode III:

1) The origin of the Ewoks.

2) Darth Maul cloned or otherwise resurrected. Yeah, there wasn't enough of him, but that's the way it goes. Hell, Lucas can always go back and add more of him in Episode I, right? Buuuuurn...

3) State of the art computer graphics creating fantastic settings, and people prancing around in them with bad 70's hairdos. Beware the Leia bun.

4) That goddamned cantina band with the big heads, getting their break in the business with that one song they know. 'Doot dit Doot dit Doo-di Dooh-duh dit, Doodali-Doot da Dooda Dooo doot...'

[Mogosagatai]

Hot is purely sexual. Pretty is just, you know, pretty. Most hot girls are pretty, and many pretty girls are hot, but there are plenty of exceptions. Madonna is hot, not pretty. Shirley Temple is pretty, not hot.

[JonPorobil]

1. And in Number 4 Luke Skywalker takes down the whole deathstar with two torpedos. (Maybe I'm mistaken, but I thought turning off the robots was on purpose)

2. And in Number 4 C3P0 was the exact same thing all fluttering around saying one liners in a british accent. (Although I'll give you, Jar Jar was a bit worse)

3. The whole word apprentice sums that up my man.

4. You can say this about any movie dude, look it up on the internets.

5. Number 4, have you even seen it? Lets talk about what looks fake in the originals 4, 5, and 6. Kids these days. Also, it wasn't anything like 'empire strikes back'..and actually...this next one will be more like that in a way. This next one can't really exactly have a 'happy ending'. Sure, the good guys might get away with their lives...but the evil empire wins this one.

1.) Luke did it on purpose, with the help of the Force, which he intentionally focused for that cause.

2.) You're right, but Phantom Menace had C-3PO and Jar-Jar.

3.) Two heads are better than one. Jedi Knight should know better.

4.) True (to a point), but this one was so obvious!!

5.) Yes, I did see the original trilogy. I've seen both editions multiple times each. Tatooine looked like a desert in Episode 4. In Episode 1 it looked like a studio. Dagobah looked like a swamp in 5 and 6. I Episode 1, Naboo looked like a giant green screen. At in 5 and 6, at least Yoda looked like he existed on the same physical plane as Luke, even if he was a muppet.

6.) your momma

[Adam!]

Number 4, have you even seen it? Lets talk about what looks fake in the originals 4, 5, and 6.

Yes, I did see the original trilogy. I've seen both editions multiple times each. Tatooine looked like a desert in Episode 4. In Episode 1 it looked like a studio. Dagobah looked like a swamp in 5 and 6. I Episode 1, Naboo looked like a giant green screen. At in 5 and 6, at least Yoda looked like he existed on the same physical plane as Luke, even if he was a muppet.

I gotta agree here. My biggest complaint about the new ones (mostly episode 1, but that floating fruit scene in the ep 2 counts, too) is that even with all the CGI technology in the world, in places they don't look as good as the first trilogy. For instance, Jabba. In ep1 Jabba looked so freakin' bad I wanted to cut my eyes out. It's much easier to suspend my disbelief when I'm looking at a muppet, instead of some surreal plastic abomination.

I'm not sure what Lucas is doing wrong, but if you check out Starship Troopers you'll notice that even though this movie's nearly a decade old, the aliens (esp. the Brain Bugs) look like they are actually in the same shot as the characters.

[HeuristicsInc]

of course, starship troopers was more like 90210 in space than an actual science fiction movie, and was very unlike the book, if i remember correctly.
i love the cantina band. and they had -2- songs!
-bill

[jimtyrrell]

Oh that's right, they had that b-side. Now that one's stuck in my head. Gonna be a long day.

[Hoblit]

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no, <i><b>YOUR MOMMA</b></i>

<-- smiley

[Adam!]

of course, starship troopers was more like 90210 in space than an actual science fiction movie, and was very unlike the book

That book is supposed to be great. I loved Starship Troopers because of its sarcastic hung-ho nationalism. I found myself laughing at [with] all the little propaganda snippets, how the military demonizes an enemy defending itself, and the brainless Aryan heroes. I walked out of the theatre smiling.

I watched the movie again a few months ago and realized, to my horror, that all the sarcastic touches I had loved may not have been intentional after all. I knew the book was full of social commentary on superpowers and how they wield their manifest destiny, but then I realized that this movie was from the director of Showgirls, RoboCop, and Hollow Man. Hmm...

Oh, and while I'm off topic, Belle > Ariel >> Jasmine.

[Leaf]

Just how many actors have portrayed Darth Vader/Anakin???


1)David Prose ...sp?
2) Voice by James Earl Jones.
3) The little brat.
4) the older brat.


My point?

Don't ever count out parts 7, 8and 9....

I enjoyed all the films. I was one of those kids that saw Star Wars in the cinema 26 times before I was seven years old. I was in love with that flick! So, I really wasn't disappointed with the new films, although I couldn't and still can't stand the character Jar Jar, each film has it's own merits. I think the phenomenon of the original film is akin to the Beatles... that kind of frenzy and impact will never be recreated.. unless they finally come out with smellovision....

[Hoblit]

of course, starship troopers was more like 90210 in space than an actual science fiction movie, and was very unlike the book

I found myself laughing at [with] all the little propaganda snippets, how the military demonizes an enemy defending itself, and the brainless Aryan heroes. I walked out of the theatre smiling.

I watched the movie again a few months ago and realized, to my horror, that all the sarcastic touches I had loved may not have been intentional after all. I knew the book was full of social commentary on superpowers and how they wield their manifest destiny, but then I realized that this movie was from the director of Showgirls, RoboCop, and Hollow Man. Hmm...

Oh, and while I'm off topic, Belle > Ariel >> Jasmine.

Yeah, that movie is obviously HOKEY...it's supposed to be..thats what makes it GOOD. I know nothing of the book ..but it wouldn't suprise me if they took it a long way away from the book to make it what it is.

Robocop is full of the same Hokeyness.... I'd buy that for a dollar!

Belle is the best by far

[Jim of Seattle]

Oh that's right, they had that b-side. Now that one's stuck in my head. Gonna be a long day.

There was this clumsy edit in Ep 4 cantina scene where the band's b-side is playing in background, and it makes it sound like there's this strange bar with a few beats taken out of it (or maybe added to it?) It's like the second-to-last bar in the verse. Since the b-side isn't on the original soundtrack, I've never known how the song really goes, and since I saw Ep 4 18 times in the theatre when it first came out (I know I know, what can I say, I was in the demographic in 1977) I have that b-side memorized with that strange cut in it, and if I ever hear it the way it was originally recorded it's going to sound just wrong.

Hey, I can recite entire scenes from Ep 4 verbatim. Wanna hear one? No? Alright.

Ep 1 & 2, apart from being plain old lousy storytelling (Ep 1 especially) suffer from the fact that the element of surprise was gone. With Ep 4 no one had seen anything quite like it, and it ultimately spawned a whole generation of science fiction movies, of which Ep 1 & 2 were a part. And there was no energy from the performances at all. Remember how fun it was to watch Leia and Luke and Han Solo arguing? Compare that with deadly somber Samuel Jackson or stiff as a board Anakin.

Ep 1 was, IMHO one of the most confounding failures in cinema history. How could Lucas possibly have lost his way so completely? I'm still baffled by that. It was like he had the New England Patriots on the 1 yard line with a 21 point lead and 30 seconds to go in the fourth quarter and he STILL managed to lose the game.

But yeah, Amidala's costumes were wonderful. Best thing about the movies. And that's a bad sign.

I'm going to love Ep 3 because it will be the last chance and I'll just be happy I'm watching another SW movie. I will INSIST on loving it.

Oh yeah, "hot" is some over-made-up 22-year-old model pretending to look sexy for the camera with a wind machine blowing her hair back while holding a Miller Lite. "Pretty" is 75% of all females between 16 and 40.

[jute gyte]

starship troopers is a good book.

[Adam!]

Oh, my other problem with EP 1: When all is said and done, when episode 3 is made (and possibly 7, 8, and 9, which I believe will be made. 4 movies have been made this year that were 100 percent CGI except for the main characters, and most people thought they looked great. Lucas will jump on this bandwagon in an instant. All he will have to do is create the story boards and supervise the digital effects, which means he could be making these movies 'till he's old and senile... oh, wait, never mind.) you will be able to watch the entire series with or without episode 1, and it would make no difference.

Wow, what an unreadable paragraph. What I'm sayin' is Episode 1 is the cinematic equivalent of the spleen: You can easily remove it from the series without any negative effects, and it's kind of useless.

[Leaf]

What I'm sayin' is Episode 1 is the cinematic equivalent of the spleen: You can easily remove it from the series without any negative effects, and it's kind of useless.

You are so brilliant. Now if you could sum all that brain stuff like that I'd be so happy!!!!


Hot: Any woman after 5 beers.
Pretty: Code for you are hot, but I'm not drunk yet.
Cute: code for you are hot, but I'm not drunk yet.
Paperbag worthy: Code for you are hot, but I need ten beers.


And thus the male mind at work.