About that review... (Why So Serious?)

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Post by TheCapitalistYouth »

Hi, I submitted my first song to SF as The Capitalist Youth this week. I feel like I'm coming late to the review party, and I'd like to lurk more so I can learn your many customs, but since so many people were nice enough to review my song I want to contribute too.


The Weakest Suit: I like the chord progression. I think it would be a nice little tune, but the vocals sound pretty strained here.

PiGPEN: What you're doing with the vox effects sounds pretty impressive. I don't think say, an album of this same thing would be sustainable, but that's not what this is. The bass kind of bothers me. It reminds me of poor midi samples, like I would load a website and hear that general midi kind of keyboard. The part is nice, I just don't like the sound.

Steve Durand: Like everyone else, I will say great horns. Your voice probably isn't ideally suited for this, but you don't sound too bad. The "Murphy's Law" lyric kind of bothers me. I really like the feel, but I think my music subconscious rejects that the song is about "Why so serious?" and believes it should be some kind of song of seduction in a shady middle east locale.

Spud wrote:
don't let that stop you from reviewing our song relentlessly.
pathetic octothorpe: This sounds sloppy and poorly miked? I think I'm missing something.

Uncle Gravy Biscuits: Nice everything. Ending is slightly abrupt, but splitting hairs.

LMNOPotamus: The backing track sounds good. It would be nice to change it up some. The part where you say "Wika wika" bothers me. I don't know if "real" rappers are doing that, but it'd be nice to have actual record scratches. Vox on verses seem too quiet.

Stu Jordan: I'm into the bluesy first section. The line "You've got to see life" doesn't sound so good. I think the section that line starts I'm not as crazy about. The ending where the higher guitar part comes in is cool.

Eddiebangs: The percussion at the beginning stands out in a good way. Seconding the love for the "Let your hair down" part.[/b]

Rone Rivendale: Don't like the pitch shifted orchestra hits. Vocals sound fuzzy. Can't say I'm a big fan of the song in general.

Atari in the Desert: Good production on this. I like the song itself. JT or boyband comparisons seem apt. I would suggest that some of the sounds seem dated, more like say, "No Strings Attached" than "Future Sex/Love Sounds." I can't put my finger on it, I guess patch and effect choices? But if you're going for a specific sound, more power to you.

Ill Cricket Crew: The organ part from the verse is a nice touch. Not in your face, but it adds a lot. Also organ solo-ish part. I'm not a fan of the chorus chord progression. Too much reverb. I know you said you were going for a specific style, but it sounds mushy.

Jeff Travis Henderson: First reaction is it sounds like Jack Johnson. Not a good or bad thing. The verse hook is catchy. Nice guitar solo, also, makes you sound less like Jack Johnson.

Future Boy: This started off well. I think I could really like this song. If left to my tastes I would change the snare sound, and replace that synth pad with something else, like maybe organ or a something more sine wave-y. But hey, personal taste.

Wages: You have a nice voice. The song could use something to spice it up. I'm not a fan of some of your chord changes.

The Capitalist Youth: Mine. Comparisons to Wayne Coyne and Guster are welcome. I'm glad people seemed to get the vibe I was going for.

MC Crapalot: I could listen to this as a kind of noise rap thing. If you're familiar with Soul-Junk, that guy gets way crazier than what you're doing here. But like with Soul-Junk, I wouldn't necessarily want to listen to it every day.

Precarious Loaf: The percussion at the beginning caught my interest. When the vocals came in you lost my attention some, in particular the background vocal seems to be taking itself too seriously. The song does alright considering how few instruments are involved.


Howling Monkey asked if I actually say "Why So Serious" in the song. I wanted to comment on that. I don't. The FAQ says "Write a song based on the title of your choice." It doesn't say the words ever have to be in the song.

I'm not worried anyone is going to stone me because of that, I'm more curious why so many people do include the words verbatim in their songs? And why use them as the chorus, and have the title be the part rhymed with? I think some songs here would be much stronger if there wasn't such an emphasis on that. (Eddiebangs' song stood out as one)

tuur: I don't know what you mean about "You are going to die." No one else has commented on that?
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Post by rone rivendale »

This is my short list of the best of the fight. These are the songs I'll be downloading (the rest will be forgotton forever).

Atari in the Desert
Future Boy
Jeff Travis Henderson
The LMNOPotamus
The Weakest Suit


Atari gets my vote. I have to say, this song is freakin AWESOME. It rivals BradSucks version of Bad Attraction as my all time favorite SF song.
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My vote....

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... goes to Steve Durand for apparent excellence.
I won't download any of the songs though.
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Post by Spud »

TheCapitalistYouth wrote:I'm more curious why so many people do include the words verbatim in their songs? And why use them as the chorus, and have the title be the part rhymed with?
I Want to Hold Your Hand
Eight Days A Week
Daydream Believer
Route 66
The Magic Bus
(Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay
Wild Thing

That's why.
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Post by Paco Del Stinko »

I haven't been following tuuur around, but I also voted for Sr. Durand.
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Post by AcidicJew »

Congrats to the winners. Deserved, IMO.

Wow. I only got one vote. That is a first for me. Better than 0. It could have been even worse if that vote was my own, but it wasn't.

So thanks literal #1 fan who is not me (probably a friend). If you liked my poorly done drums, muddy harmony, and thin arrangement.... your going to LOVE next weeks song!

I voted Atari In the Desert. It was a tough, and ultimately arbitrary, decision between them and Uncle Gravy Biscuits. So I'm pleased with the voting results. Little sad there wasn't more love for The Capitalist Youth and Steve Durand, vote wise, but I guess everyone only gots the one vote.

This was a really strong fight. Thanks for taking the time to review. Appreciated.

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Post by erik »

TheCapitalistYouth wrote:I'm more curious why so many people do include the words verbatim in their songs?
Most songs include the title in their lyrics. It's no different at songfight.
And why use them as the chorus,
A chorus gets repeated alot. Most songs use the phrase that gets repeated the most as the title. It's no different at songfight.
and have the title be the part rhymed with?
I have no idea why people at songfight do this so much.
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Post by TheCapitalistYouth »

Yeah, sorry if that came across as "You shouldn't be doing it this way." I was more just wondering why I was (maybe?) the only person who didn't. I didn't know if maybe there was a rule or tradition I was unaware of.

Erik: A lot of the music I listen to doesn't have the same title as the chorus, or even have words from the song as the title. And then there's Sufjan Stevens, where he has entire unrelated sentences as the titles of his songs...
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Post by Ross »

While most songs here do include the title as lyrics, it is not uncommon to have songs submitted that don't. and as Erik said, there is certainly no rule

For instance I have at least 5 songs that did not have the title in the lyrics, and I'm sure you could find similar lists from many songfighters.

A friendly reminder
Ancient
Boundaries
Mad City
Onomatopoiea

One nice thing about having the title in the song is it frees you from suspicion that you may have written the song prior to the fight week. This isn't common, but happens occasionally. - the suspicion, I mean. I have not idea how often a previously written song gets submitted.
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Post by jeffhenderson »

Has anyone else noticed this?
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Post by Steve Durand »

JeffHenderson wrote:Has anyone else noticed this?
Oh yeah. When the titles first came out I googled it and got a lot of sites about that. I was a little surprised that none of the songs referenced it at all.
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Post by ex-kal »

hi guys i entered song fight a long time ago and got a vote (i think). i'm entering the next one. Looks like you guys still don't have a resident rapper lulz

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i checked out this fight, but looks like the voting is over. i like atari's a lot.
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Post by rone rivendale »

well besides myself, LMNOPotamus, Pigpen, MCEricB, Posyden etc etc.... nope no rappers here man. :lol:
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TheCapitalistYouth wrote:Yeah, sorry if that came across as "You shouldn't be doing it this way." I was more just wondering why I was (maybe?) the only person who didn't. I didn't know if maybe there was a rule or tradition I was unaware of.

Erik: A lot of the music I listen to doesn't have the same title as the chorus, or even have words from the song as the title. And then there's Sufjan Stevens, where he has entire unrelated sentences as the titles of his songs...
Yeah, I'm totally aware of music whose titles do not appear in the lyrics of the song. I was just commenting on why here people do it so much. My first song here didn't include the title in the lyrics, either. Welcome to Songfight!
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Post by The Weakest Suit »

erik wrote:My first song here didn't include the title in the lyrics, either.
me too
no title in the lyrics for:
Clause 5, Sub-Paragraph d) (my first fight, recently, awesomely covered by The Idiot Kings)
Ottoman
A Friendly Reminder
My Darling Ruin
Tomato
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