Can you smoke it? (Janjaweed Reviews)

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Can you smoke it? (Janjaweed Reviews)

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Ha ha. I started the review thread.
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Yes you can.
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j$ wrote:Yes you can.
"You can!!"
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IMO. Written as I listen.

Caravan Ray - The rhythm guitar should go dirty in the bridge - I like the harmonies over the chorus. I'll leave the lyric, unless you really want to know what I think about it ;) Pretty music mind, I just wish that instrumental break had some real kinks crunch to it ....

Chas Smith - That's some mighty hiss. Heh? This is almost like a demo for the next Darkness album. I don't like the arch performance in your vocals, but they're not bad per se. Very pretty I guess, and funny if you like this sort of thing. Which, sadly, I don't.

Backwards Ambulance - so here you are at last. We've been waiting for you. Hang up your coat. Have some punch. Oh, some Blue Nun, how kind. We'll ... ah ... put that in the fridge and have that later. Go on through, introduce yourselves to everybody ...

Max the Cat - This is good, but it's totally not my bag. The last couple of songs you've done have been the same for me. Good well done but I don't feel anything beyond that. My bad, no doubt.

Phunt Your Friends - yeah, I know, but I've got to get up early in the morning, and taxis from here into town are so expensive, yeah, better to get the last bus, here's your coat, yeah, yeah, bye! Thanks for the Blue Nun ....

SOS - please be a good SOS please be a good SOS please be a good SOS .... well, it's an OK SOS, but it's the best song here by a country mile in my book so it gets my voice. I love the way little phrases burst out of the mesh of sound 'That's got to count for something / that's got to tell you something' is nice - as always the songs stop just as they're getting really interesting - could you not just edit this to start at 1.50ish? This is sweet...
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<b>Caravan Ray</b>
+++ I love the beat. I love when you bring out that surf guitar tone. +++
--- A little sappy. You still need a good condenser mic and a little better intonation. ---
+++ Oh but then it gets so wickedly synical. Nice! +++

<b>Chas Smith</b>
--- I think I had this nightmare once, where some bastard sat in my closet masturbating, and I called the police and the exterminator, and he ate them. This is the soundtrack to that nightmare. ---

<b>ecnalubmA</b>
+++ Nice sounds. +++
--- Aphex Twin you are not. ---

<b>Max the Cat</b>
+++ I think you're way better than the Charlie Daniels band. +++
/// Just not really my bag, either. ///

<b>Phunt Your Friends</b>
+++ I've come to expect this crap now. Reminds me of highscool - "Retards in a Centrifuge.mp3" +++

<b>sonofsupercar</b>
+++ There are like, three drummers, here on SongFight. They all rock fucking harder than ninety percent of the drummers in the modern rock scene. +++
--- Melody??? ---

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Caravan Ray: I like the way the song pulls me in musically and lyrically right off the bat. I’m not so fond of the direction it goes shortly after the bit between 25 and 38 seconds, but it gets reeled back in when the chorus comes in. Call me old fashioned, but I don’t think gratuitous use of the “F” word and the “C” word are really necessary. The American bashing doesn’t do you any favors with me either, but hey it’s your opinion from halfway around the world, so feel free to complain about our country’s politics from there if you want to. I won’t cry foul. It’s a political type title, so I should expect that. I just don’t think you should expect any airplay here, which is kind of a shame considering it’s not a bad melody that’s well played and has decent musicianship.

Chas Smith: Don’t do a picking guitar intro when you can’t play it. Don’t change the sound of your guitar while playing, try punching in. Don’t get me started with how bad the overall sound of your guitar is. Production is shit. You understand that hiss is a bad thing right? I didn’t catch the lyrics the first time and I’m not sure I’ll endure a second listen to hear them. That forces me to break my rule of 3 listens per song, sorry. Work on …. well…. Everything, and maybe I’ll listen again someday.

EcnalubmA: I hate your fucking name! Do you have any idea how many times I had to check my spelling of that to make sure I got it right? Not the way to ingratiate one’s self to the reviewing audience. On the actual review end of matters, this doesn’t have a bad sound. The mix is good, the sounds are semi-professional and not so Casioish as I’ve come to expect from this type of dribble. However, it’s not a song. Thanks for wasting my time.

Max the Cat: The best intro of the fight so far, musically that is. But I swear to the big “G”, melody wise I thought you were going to break into “Cat’s in the Cradle”. Once I’ve overcome this little distraction I’m reminded why I’m not that fond of political songs, to write one you have to take a somewhat pompous point of view. This isn’t really the place but to finish my point I have to say I think what’s going on there shouldn’t be blamed on them, or they, or any other singular group or country. It’s all of us that have failed, as a race, the human race is failing as a whole. And pointing fingers does no good, nor does it help resolve the issue. Wow. I should write a song about that and have someone else tell me how much they dislike the content. Anyway, take away the content and I think you have a pretty good song that’s well produced, well played and well sung.

Phunt Your Friends: Punt the beginning. Pass on everything else. Don’t enter this crap anymore.

Sonofsupercar: The second best intro of the fight develops into the best overall song for a few reasons. Intelligent lyrics, seasoned, tight playing, good vocals and harmonies, and professional sounding final production. I do think the overall mix is on the edge of distortion, but I’m looking past that and find myself listening to how all of the instrumentation is there for roll call. I can make out every single instrument, nothing is buried. Man I wish I could do that. Someone needs to finish that mixing class thread so I can glean some of that knowledge.

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normally a review of "--melody???--" would make me laugh and laugh, but i'm a little confused. i'm not in love with this song, but there are 3 diff sections, each with its own melody bit, and the vocals are following it directly in one. our melodies are not exotic or... i dunno, catchy, but this particular song is way the hell more melodic than we usually do. i was pretty impressed with us for even bothering to do something that wasn't viscera in D, so i'm wondering exactly what the review means.

yes, the mix is hella freakin' hot. i've been backing them off a bit lately, but now i guess i just don't care about dynamic range any more. you can listen to this mix with your volume fader anywhere from .001 to where your amp distorts, and it sounds about the same. there is a lot of "hidden" distortion in the song itself in the form of a low, buzzy synth patch that is mostly hidden by the other 2 synth tracks. i really dig the trashy mid-fi drum sound i got this week, and i hope i can replicate it.

the clarity is mostly derived from grouping/compressing, but there are also 9 guitar and 3 synth tracks doubling stuff up for the "weaker" instruments.

the guitars on the overdub tracks are dual-amped, with a large diaphrahm compressor on the trebly marshall amp and a dynamic on the bassy fender amp. the bass/treble split is panned in alternate directions on alternate overdubs.

thanks for the reviews.
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Reviews:

Chas Smith – I didn’t want to hear drug songs – especially bad drug songs

ecnalubmA– not bad – not good, not my thing really - but not bad

Max the Cat – I like this I think. You seem to be giving appropriate gravity to a difficult title – but to tell the truth I’m having trouble working out what exactly you’re talking about

Phunt Your Friends – Phunt your own friends.

SOS – I’ve always found that SOS doesn’t appeal to me greatly – not you, it’s me – just a matter of taste. However, I do like this one. Reminds me of REM for some reason. This grows on me with further listens. I really like the vocals

And…
Caravan Ray – I’ve always wanted to write a nice happy song with a catchy chorus that was so socially objectionable that it could never possibly be sung in public. Having said that – I’m not really happy with the lyrics as they are – I’d prefer to re-do this without the Janjaweed references – the Sudan situation is too current and I fear that the tone of this trivialises it – that was definitely not my intention. Still – I like how the chorus sounds – so I decided to enter it anyway.


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Dan-O from Five-O wrote:Caravan Ray:... The American bashing doesn’t do you any favors with me either, but hey it’s your opinion from halfway around the world, so feel free to complain about our country’s politics from there if you want to. I won’t cry foul. It’s a political type title, so I should expect that. I just don’t think you should expect any airplay here, which is kind of a shame considering it’s not a bad melody...
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Sooo, let me get this right Dan-O...you're saying that if I just replace the one word, "American" with, say, "Belgian" or better yet, "French", then I could expect this song to receive saturation airplay on coast-to-coast US Redneck Radio? Cool. Thanks for the tip!
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blue wrote:
yes, the mix is hella freakin' hot. i've been backing them off a bit lately, but now i guess i just don't care about dynamic range any more. you can listen to this mix with your volume fader anywhere from .001 to where your amp distorts, and it sounds about the same. there is a lot of "hidden" distortion in the song itself in the form of a low, buzzy synth patch that is mostly hidden by the other 2 synth tracks. i really dig the trashy mid-fi drum sound i got this week, and i hope i can replicate it.

the clarity is mostly derived from grouping/compressing, but there are also 9 guitar and 3 synth tracks doubling stuff up for the "weaker" instruments.

the guitars on the overdub tracks are dual-amped, with a large diaphrahm compressor on the trebly marshall amp and a dynamic on the bassy fender amp. the bass/treble split is panned in alternate directions on alternate overdubs.

thanks for the reviews.
This is the best sonofsupercar recording I've heard yet. Not necessarily the best song (just qualifying-- I like the song), but the recording/mixing is really good.
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Caravan Ray wrote:US Redneck Radio?
My favorite. It's great when you're tearing thru a field on your ATC or Snowmobile, or rounding up cattle. Or busting through some hard knots with a chainsaw. I have my Redneck American Walkman radio tuned to Redneck American radio all the time and I keep that walkman clipped to my belt along with my cellphone and pager, all the time.
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Caravan Ray wrote:
Phunt Your Friends – Phunt your own friends.
We do! Thanks.
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blue wrote:normally a review of "--melody???--" would make me laugh and laugh, but i'm a little confused.
Blue, I guess you coudl technically call the verse a melody, although it's mroe of a drone. There is one significant pitch change. I typed this before even hitting the more dynamic chorus at two minutes
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boltoph wrote:
Caravan Ray wrote:US Redneck Radio?

...It's good to meet a New Zealander...
That is the most offensive comment i've ever read on these boards. You sure know how to hurt a guy... :)
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[his isn’t really the place but to finish my point I have to say I think what’s going on there shouldn’t be blamed on them, or they, or any other singular group or country. It’s all of us that have failed, as a race, the human race is failing as a whole. And pointing fingers does no good, nor does it help resolve the issue. Wow. I should write a song about that and have someone else tell me how much they dislike the content. Anyway, take away the content and I think you have a pretty good song that’s well produced, well played and well sung. ]

Actually the song is about Iraq and all wars fought in the name of God. I used the Janjaweed as a mythic metaphor. Trying to give it the resonance that a word like Colombine now has. Like Kleenex becomes the tissue or Poubelle becomes the French garbage can. Thanks for the kind words and the thought.It is a great service taking the time to review songs. I wish I was that generous. MTC
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Disclaimer: I'm really, really, really up on <a href="http://www.drugs.com/hydrocodone.html" target="_blank">hydrocodone</a> right now, so this review may very well make absolutly no since when I read it tomarrow morning.

Ok. Before I start, I have a question. Why the freak is Caravan Ray the only person who posted any lyrics?

Caravan Ray – Ha ha ha. This song made me laugh pretty good. I throughly enjoyed your ridiculously overly positive happy sounding song about such touchy subjects. That since of humor is right up my ally, glad to know I'm not alone about cracking Nazi and KKK jokes all the time, ha ha ha. Your production quality has gotten better and better recently, but I really wish that you didn't hard pan the drums to the left during the chorus. It's kind of disorienting.

Chasssmith – Is the intro a completely separate recording? Overall this track was a nice listen once I got used to the hiss in the background, but it craved for some more variation. I'm not talking about more instrumentation. You don't have to be anything more then a dude and a guitar, so long as you take advantage of the instrument you have as best you can. Good effort, and I hope to see you in more fights!

Ecnalubma – Cool little instrumental track, but it's hard for me to be objective about instrumentals seeing as how there never really is any proof that you actually made it for a SongFight!. However, this would make really neat background music for a TV show. I see a bunch of scientists in white coats working with little vials of multicolored liquid as they track a killer using forensics.

MaxTheCat – Cool intro, but right off the bat I feel like your vocals need to be louder. In some places it gets pretty hard to hear what you are saying. Are you using any compression on your vocal tracks? Good use of harmony during the chorus. I like the talked part. Could you post the lyrics so I can figure out what you are saying? That would be awesome if you could do that.

Phunt Your Friends – Joke tracks are fun. In a weird sort of way, I almost feel like they make a part of the SongFight! Scene. And I must say that in your own sort of weird way, you make better Joke tracks then most of the people that submit nosies.

Son Of Supercar – Awesome drum work. I really like the indie-production quality for this genre of music. I'm sort of being put in a trance by the time the drums explode. Very cool use of out of tune instruments, and I'm really digging this. You have a very keen ear for Delay and Reverb. Those effects are so easy to abuse, I often avoid them just so I don't over-do them. Awesome ambiance in the background. It kind of reminds me of the last part of “Karma Police” by Radiohead. I want some lyrics. Post your lyrics please? I really want to follow the lyrics around.

Son Of Supercar gets the vote. Hands down.

EDIT[0]: Thanks for adding the lyrics blue! Awesome!
EDIT[1]: Fixed some words I screwed up.
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Southwest_Statistic wrote:

EDIT: Thanks for adding the lyrics blue! Awesome!
Yes.


I wrote in my review you reminded me of REM, but I couldn't think why. Now I know - it's the wonderfully ambiguous lyric, like "Lifes Rich Pagent"-era REM

I like this song a lot.
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There are more <a href="http://songfight.net/forums/viewtopic.p ... >lyrics</a> up! I'm sure you're all anxious.
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Caravan Ray wrote:Sooo, let me get this right Dan-O...you're saying that if I just replace the one word, "American" with, say, "Belgian" or better yet, "French", then I could expect this song to receive saturation airplay on coast-to-coast US Redneck Radio? Cool. Thanks for the tip!
Yeah....that's exactly what I said, almost verbatim.

I wonder why more people don't do reviews?
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caravan: i guess there's a prevailing mentality that it's ok to recycle whatever music is handy as long as you're telling a story with the lyrics, but i do not subscribe to that school of thought. this song is so musically uncompelling that the lyrics, which are pretty good, get missed. there has to be a better framework in which to present your point - one which does not involve signifier overload.

chas: well i'm glad at least someone went ahead and took the obvious out (and it wasn't us, for once). your vocals and guitar need you to EQ the bass out of them.

ecna: songfight LOVES techno. i bet you could add up all the votes every techno instrumental ever submitted ever got and you'd have not very many votes. boring boring boring.

max: i remember you entering some really awesome music a long time ago, but.. i guess why would you just do a straight rip of someone else's schtick for a songfight? if you don't have a song, don't enter. it's just sad. the spoken part is ok.
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