The Song Fight Bulletin Board

If I say I hate it, I'm just trying to be helpful, <b>you damned pussy</b>.

[Ok, I added that last bit --Admin]

Well this is my first entry ever so be gentle. Not only that but I thought I was already too late for this one and then realized deadlines were in Pacific Standard Time. So this one was written and recorded in abou 20 minutes, not necessarily, that it would be any better if I had more time

Spud wrote:If I say I hate it, I'm just trying to be helpful, <b>you damned pussy</b>.

[Ok, I added that last bit --Admin]

Hey Spud. I'm a former Seattle-ite also. This song was my first attempt at something a little more "Georgia".

Damn it. Don't they update the songs around here?


.. I am the new Seavers. hahaha!

They do, Leaf, they do.

Jordan Seavers - keep making music like this and you can be as aggravating as you want on the message board.

jb wrote:Jordan Seavers - keep making music like this and you can be as aggravating as you want on the message board.

Yeah, I didn't have any delusions of grandeur on this one, but you guys didn't have to stick me directly after Seaver in the stream. LOL

kill_me_sarah wrote:Yeah, I didn't have any delusions of grandeur on this one, but you guys didn't have to stick me directly after Seaver in the stream. LOL

Yes they did. Alphabetical order.

Dear Mr. Glossy, if you don't put some sound in my right ear I'm going to shoot you in the t'ain't. Ok there, but still, you just barely dodged the bullet this time.

Niveous wrote:

kill_me_sarah wrote:Yeah, I didn't have any delusions of grandeur on this one, but you guys didn't have to stick me directly after Seaver in the stream. LOL

Yes they did. Alphabetical order.

Dang, gotta change my band name.

jb wrote:Dear Mr. Glossy, if you don't put some sound in my right ear I'm going to shoot you in the t'ain't. Ok there, but still, you just barely dodged the bullet this time.

What did I do wrong on my sound? It sounded fine until I heard how quiet it was in comparison w/ the others in the stream. Is there a standard?

Yipes. I sense CMYK, or at least RGB in the near future. Maybe it was just the damn extension?

kill_me_sarah wrote:Is there a standard?

Commercial mastering engineers aim for an RMS level around -12dB.

The average on Songfight is probably higher than that. The last 30 seconds of the Uncle Boltoph tune is at about -9dB RMS.

How to get yours louder depends on what system you recorded with. In general, you simply turn the volume up, but use a compressor or limiter to make sure you don't clip the peaks.

kill_me_sarah wrote:Dang, gotta change my band name.

I say go for "Bump Me Off Sarah". Speaking of names, why isn't "Lonbobby featuring Anita" known as "15 Years"?

deshead wrote:

kill_me_sarah wrote:Is there a standard?

Commercial mastering engineers aim for an RMS level around -12dB.

The average on Songfight is probably higher than that. The last 30 seconds of the Uncle Boltoph tune is at about -9dB RMS.

How to get yours louder depends on what system you recorded with. In general, you simply turn the volume up, but use a compressor or limiter to make sure you don't clip the peaks.

Wow, RMS normalization hits Songfight. Now it gets interesting. -12 is pretty hot, which in my opinion is why so little dynamic range remains in modern pop/rock. Even spoken word is produced to -15 for radio. I think that may be a better target. I'm still tweaking by ear, since hitting these targets without the expensive hardware is liable to skew sonic fidelity.

But I am curious about your RMS tools, Des. I use Ozone to normalize and RMS Buddy to monitor. Still getting used to it.

..on first listen, not too many duds... some stiff competiton.


And by stiff I mean... uh... yeah.

Martin Chitty- I know that voice! You're "Roy Castle"!

roymond wrote:-12 is pretty hot, which in my opinion is why so little dynamic range remains in modern pop/rock.

Ya, I totally agree. My two favorite articles on the subject:
The Death of Dynamic Range
Over The Limit
According to that second one, the Rush albums from the late 70s ran at about -18dB .. That's a lot of headroom!!

roymond wrote:But I am curious about your RMS tools, Des.

I use Ozone too, and sometimes the Waves plugins. Ozone's dithering sounds cleaner to me, and the limiter is definitely more transparant than the L2. But the Waves C1 compressor is (to my ears, anyway) a lot cleaner than the Ozone dynamics stuff, so if the master mix needs compression, I'll go that route. (And the L2 has its place .. When you want the edgy sound.)

I don't use anything fancy to monitor .. Just the Sonar meters (and lots of A/B listening comparisons to commercial mixes.)

kill_me_sarah wrote:What did I do wrong on my sound? It sounded fine until I heard how quiet it was in comparison w/ the others in the stream. Is there a standard?

Now that I've listened to yours, sounds like you simply need to do a peak normalization to bring the wave peaks up to -.2. Every sound editor can do this. Your level is simply weak, those squiggly lines need to fill more of the window.

But a fun song and otherwise the sound is fine.

dude. theres a million songs. more like 24 but still..

It's ASCIIbetical order, and Leaf is first because the MP3 starts with a capital "L". The song does rock, tho.

jeff robertson wrote:It's ASCIIbetical order, and Leaf is first because the MP3 starts with a capital "L". The song does rock, tho.

Reload the page and see who's first